I have weight it all out and the Trooper looks like the best bang for the buck!
Prepared2Surviv
Be careful,
Those things like to roll over a lot, if my memories correct. Kinda like the smaller Bronco did.
Those things like to roll over a lot, if my memories correct. Kinda like the smaller Bronco did.
Does it have a frame?
Does it have parts that can be replaced from any junk yard?
Does every auto parts place carry replacement, water pumps, alternators, starters, belts, ignition switches, sensors, electronic modules etc?
Can lockers and ring & pinion gears be easily obtained for it?
What is the wheel travel and what is the largest tire size that can be fitted without unsafe lifts or body butchery?
Can it drive out of everywhere that it drove into (Monteros can't, not certain about Troopers).
Is it well thought of by the local 4wd community?
EMP is so far down the list that I will ride a bicycle if it happens...
(if you are concerned about EMP pack away a points type distributor & ignition resistor, carburetor, fuel pump and intake manifold or adapter, along with the spare alternator/regulator, and home computer & radios that you already have stored.
Roll over is driver error; IMO, based on having seen many off road rollovers and flops (vehicles laid on their sides) involving many vehicles. I have also had several (3 out of 4) Firestone tires (and one Goodyear tire) blow out at different times and it never did more than make me pull to the shoulder and change them, especially on power steering equipped vehicles.
Enjoy!
Does it have parts that can be replaced from any junk yard?
Does every auto parts place carry replacement, water pumps, alternators, starters, belts, ignition switches, sensors, electronic modules etc?
Can lockers and ring & pinion gears be easily obtained for it?
What is the wheel travel and what is the largest tire size that can be fitted without unsafe lifts or body butchery?
Can it drive out of everywhere that it drove into (Monteros can't, not certain about Troopers).
Is it well thought of by the local 4wd community?
EMP is so far down the list that I will ride a bicycle if it happens...
(if you are concerned about EMP pack away a points type distributor & ignition resistor, carburetor, fuel pump and intake manifold or adapter, along with the spare alternator/regulator, and home computer & radios that you already have stored.
Roll over is driver error; IMO, based on having seen many off road rollovers and flops (vehicles laid on their sides) involving many vehicles. I have also had several (3 out of 4) Firestone tires (and one Goodyear tire) blow out at different times and it never did more than make me pull to the shoulder and change them, especially on power steering equipped vehicles.
Enjoy!
Best BOV to me is a Bicycle or a horse. at first i thought you were talking about Blow-off Valves lol.
I would be concerned about the availability of spare parts for a vehicle of that vintage. Isuzu really does not have a footprint in the U.S. anymore unless your buying a commercial truck.
I would be interested as well how you came to that conclusion... The vehicle you mentioned is not prevalent in junkyards or auto parts stores for spare parts,,, they are definately not prevalent on the trails in the offroad world ( such as jeeps, toyotas, suzukis, and other domestic trucks)
I would be worried about parts availability, ability to build them and make them stronger for a low cost, etc...
I would be worried about parts availability, ability to build them and make them stronger for a low cost, etc...
Trooper
Isuzu is owned by GM 46%, mine has a GM transmission, Borg warner transfer case, 8" of ground clearance, (3) metal deflector plates, and it takes a 22 MM socket for the oil pan drain plug. My girlfriends 2002 Dodge Durango has plastic deflector plates and a rubber plug for the rear axle fluid and only (1) tie rod end has a grease zerk! Isuzu was the first car maker of japan, not honda, toyota, or nissan. As far as EMP attack I have seen simulated EMP attacks on several different car models and only a couple would not start and that was only for a few moments. As far a the "roll over issue: Isuzu took that to court and won it was a false claim. Mine came with a 10 year 120,000 mile warranty that covers everything down to the water pump, I have until the last day of this year and 72,000 miles left on that warranty
Isuzu is owned by GM 46%, mine has a GM transmission, Borg warner transfer case, 8" of ground clearance, (3) metal deflector plates, and it takes a 22 MM socket for the oil pan drain plug. My girlfriends 2002 Dodge Durango has plastic deflector plates and a rubber plug for the rear axle fluid and only (1) tie rod end has a grease zerk! Isuzu was the first car maker of japan, not honda, toyota, or nissan. As far as EMP attack I have seen simulated EMP attacks on several different car models and only a couple would not start and that was only for a few moments. As far a the "roll over issue: Isuzu took that to court and won it was a false claim. Mine came with a 10 year 120,000 mile warranty that covers everything down to the water pump, I have until the last day of this year and 72,000 miles left on that warranty
My preacher had an old trooper. Well, he still has it but his boys are driving it at college. It looks like crap. But, that is a pretty awesome 4x4. He is a bit crazy and loves to fly fish. He found some river on a mountain someplace. He decided when he was done to drive the trooper down the mountain on a dry creek bed. The other guy that was with him told me the story. Apparently the terrain and grade were really pretty dangerous but, the old trooper did it and was no worse for wear. In fact, that was like 10 years ago and that trooper is still going.
I had another buddy that had a trooper and accidentally drove it down a real steep embankment coming out of a driveway. He said it went down like 30 feet. He figured that he was screwed and would need a wrecker. He told me that he put it in 4 wheel drive and it climbed right back out.
I can tell you that I had a 1980 Toyota FJ60 Landcruizer. For off road capability I would rather have a trooper. The Landcruizer was a heavy pig. It was the worst off road vehicle I have ever driven on the sand at Fort Fisher. I had a 1979 AMC Jeep Grand Wagoneer with dyna axles from the factory that would run circles around the Toyota in snow or sand. The toyota did pretty well in mud and crossing rivers but, no better than the Jeep. My buddy had his trooper and it was slow as heck but, very capable off road.
If you get one of the old 4 cylinder troopers make sure you can replace a head gasket. It's gonna need one every few years. It's not a difficult job. Just time consuming. Most of the older one's are banged up but, cheap. I would imagine that parts aren't that hard to find. lord knows they sold a blue million of those things.
I went to the NAPA website and checked using a 1990 Trooper II as an example. They appear to have plenty of parts available for that vehicle.
I had another buddy that had a trooper and accidentally drove it down a real steep embankment coming out of a driveway. He said it went down like 30 feet. He figured that he was screwed and would need a wrecker. He told me that he put it in 4 wheel drive and it climbed right back out.
I can tell you that I had a 1980 Toyota FJ60 Landcruizer. For off road capability I would rather have a trooper. The Landcruizer was a heavy pig. It was the worst off road vehicle I have ever driven on the sand at Fort Fisher. I had a 1979 AMC Jeep Grand Wagoneer with dyna axles from the factory that would run circles around the Toyota in snow or sand. The toyota did pretty well in mud and crossing rivers but, no better than the Jeep. My buddy had his trooper and it was slow as heck but, very capable off road.
If you get one of the old 4 cylinder troopers make sure you can replace a head gasket. It's gonna need one every few years. It's not a difficult job. Just time consuming. Most of the older one's are banged up but, cheap. I would imagine that parts aren't that hard to find. lord knows they sold a blue million of those things.
I went to the NAPA website and checked using a 1990 Trooper II as an example. They appear to have plenty of parts available for that vehicle.
The other thing you may want to remember is that you can't count on autoparts stores when things go bad, you will have to pirate parts off vehicles that are stranded and left on the roads,,, just don't know how many troopers you will find laying around,,, I know up my way in the rockies we don't see many of them around,,, on the street or in the junk yards!
havoc1969 is right, I too live in the Rockies and I hardly ever see Isuzu Troopers, parts availability is important. I have an 86 Yota 4wd 5 speed truck with the almost bombproof 22r engine. I see old Toyota 22r trucks and 22r 4runners whenever and wherever I drive. 22r's are numerous.When I lived in Georgia they were numerous there too, but I never saw many Isuzus there. I wouldn't have a vehicle that parts would be hard to find for. My weber carb has a manual choke and my fuel pump is mechanical too. I've got 15" clearance underneath too. I don't see any future engine problems for a long time as I had a new 22r engine put in in 2009. Older 4wd Toyota trucks are limitless. Parts will be around for many many years just because there are so many nationwide. I know where 4 old ones are right now all within 3 miles of me. They're just so famous for their reliability and so many people have them.
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Up here in Wyoming I see alot of toyota trucks and 4 runners, as Colorado MT Retreat stated, 22r and 22re motors (re's are fuel injected, r's are carbed)... I also see alot of jeeps, specifically cj's, wranglers, and cherokees. Every vehicle has it's strengths and weakness's. I believe anyone into survival and self preservation owes it to themselves to get to know their vehicle and at the very least be able to do their own maintenance and some vehicle repairs...
I go offroad both recreationally and also in competition,,, the two most prevelant vehicles for I have observed over the last 25 plus years I have been driving for reliability, parts supply (both stock and aftermarket) are the ones I mentioned above.
I go offroad both recreationally and also in competition,,, the two most prevelant vehicles for I have observed over the last 25 plus years I have been driving for reliability, parts supply (both stock and aftermarket) are the ones I mentioned above.
I personally would go either for a Land Rover Defender (130 or 110) or Hummer H1. I prefer Land Rovers but thats just my preference. And in any case stack up on spare parts and learn to make the necessary repairs. I mean you're going to be using the vehicle to go off road and away from **** so I doubt you'll find a mechanic there. So have at least one replacement for anything prone to failure.
Also the more important thing I'd mention is that you need to have space for additional fuel (barrels) so I wouldn't worry about parts so much. Keep your BOV in perfect condition so when you need to go its 100%. If its failing to start with then its a **** vehicle anyway.
The Toyota in the video is a total Tali-wagon. All its missing is a .50 cal machine gun. LOL. But its a good vehicle I must say.
Also the more important thing I'd mention is that you need to have space for additional fuel (barrels) so I wouldn't worry about parts so much. Keep your BOV in perfect condition so when you need to go its 100%. If its failing to start with then its a **** vehicle anyway.
The Toyota in the video is a total Tali-wagon. All its missing is a .50 cal machine gun. LOL. But its a good vehicle I must say.
If an EMP event doesn't happen I think the Isuzu would be fine. A lot of guys I know have started using them and the Geo Trackers as cheap alternatives to Toyota Landcruisers and Jeeps and they are great 4x4s.
Yes if an EMP event happens or a breakdown in the infrastructure and supply occurs you'll be out of luck for spare parts, but you'll be in the same boat as the guys who praise deuce and a halfs, jeeps, and toyotas too.
Yes if an EMP event happens or a breakdown in the infrastructure and supply occurs you'll be out of luck for spare parts, but you'll be in the same boat as the guys who praise deuce and a halfs, jeeps, and toyotas too.
All these the BEST bov posts are funny in a sense what is best for you and your plan might not be what is best for others, all so if every one has the same thing then you might have to steal parts? If you have 3 or four running Troopers built and ready for wshtf great. Sooner or later if we are rocked back to the stone age and survive the mad max road warrior fight for the last drop of fuel. A horse or camel or mule might be the best BOV, but then are you going to be needing to bug out still. Sooner or later you will have to be tribal and nomadic or much more primative man than 21st century guy. What ever you can afford and prepare and use to get to your BOL and help you survive there will be the best BOV. BOVs long term that are to oil dependant (ie tires, oils, gas, fuilds)? Probably will just be lawn decorations, planter boxes, goat pens or fencing. So why not a Trooper if you all ready got it and got scads of parts great, if not maybe a Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Jeep, Toyota? Something there are alot of? After the 1st year WROL you will have more choices too as lots will be dead and cars will be every where, even some Troopers for parts! A BOV is one spoke in the wheel? Any rig that will get me to the BOL or next BOV to steal, take, barter, beg or borrow will do. I really don't plan on driving all over and advertising I got wheels so come get me? IMHO
lol...a trooper? good luck w/ that. Best BOV ever = the one i can get at the Buy Here, Pay Here lot....
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