Hi Tom. Good point but you're overlooking one small thing. For SHTF here in the states, something like 70% of the law enforcement market is cornered by Glock. I understand what you're trying to say. But for a battlefield pickup, I think you'd be better off with a Glock platform. Or both the M9 and a Glock type.

You're more likely to run into LEO types before military/guard types is what I'm saying. And should the unthinkable happen, and you need to retreive a weapon from a fallen officer, chances are it will be a Glock before anything else.

I'm just saying is all. :thumb:

 

Not to mention you aren't really ever going to need to replace a glock, so parts being everywhere is just a bonus.

 

Thanks for your opinion Tom.

 

Hoorah brother.

 

get a beretta and a glock. Also, maybe a 686 and a 1911, just to be safe.

 

Not to sure about the value of a handgun on the battlefield - maybe better to use the weight and space for more rifle ammo. That said, a good choice is to carry and become familiar with that which is most common in the area you find yourself.

 

if you have a problem with the rifle that takes more than a second or two to fix your going to want to transfer to side arm untill you can get to a spot to fix it

 

I like that the beretta is Da/Sa, has a safety,and it's all really simple.

 

...or we could just stock replacement parts for the firearms we do have and not rely on scavenging them from dead bodies and such.

With that being said, a valid opinion and one I don't necessarily disagree with. Just not a fan of telling people what what they have isn't worthwhile because it isn't "common" enough.

 

... Just not a fan of telling people what what they have isn't worthwhile because it isn't "common" enough.

No one said that, and that was not the intent of the post. But after months of reading this, Im suggesting that it COULD be one of the more important weapons in your personal arsenal. I own several handguns, but, none is more important in a SHTF, ESPECIALLY Martial law/Urban rioting/ gun grab situation than an M9.

Ive read a lot of M9 bashing and grumbling, and I AGREE, its not a GREAT weapon, but it has ALOT of positive merits that a lot of folks do not consider. THAT was the take away..... and I was giving my opinion as to why this is a pretty important weapon from firsthand SHTF experience. And YES, I have no problem plucking parts/mags/ and rounds from dead bodies, because its my fair assumption that they probably wont be needing them anymore that day. And I dont have a lot of money to stock up on spare parts, but these spare parts just happenened to be laying around....following?

It's just like knives: there is no ONE knife to handle all tasks: You need hatchets, axes, boning knifes, folding knifes, pocket knives, fighting knives, bayonets, utility knives, skinning knives, etc......but just ONE of those knives is going to see more use than the rest of them. Just ONE of those knives will turn out to be your biggest all-purpose asset. That COMMON-ly used knife will be the one to keep when youve got to choose between the rest of them.......Thats the point I was trying to make with an M9. Hope Ive clarified more than Ive offended.

thanks for your replies.

 

Fair enough, and I didn't say I had a problem with scavenging from dead bodies, just relying soley on it for spare parts.

 

The next time we have a new member that can manage to get past 10 posts without telling us that we absolutely NEED something, I think I'll throw a party.

 

To be fair, he has been a member for over a year.

 

What make a person just out of the blue come on a forum and spout off about this or that being the best and if you don't have one you are at a disadvantage? Ie never understood the motivation of these type of post. But to each their own.

Me? My Glock .40s&w will be just fine.

 

Who spouted off matt? Did you even read the post, matt? Do you know anything about me matt? I guess 13 years USMC, LE training and working for the fed Gov and having served, and CURRENTLY serving in several theatres of combat and trained and lived in survival situations since 1994, as well as handling all types of weapons since 1974 I probably have absolutely no business sharing my REAL WORLD experiences on Matts and .357' revolver's forum, isnt that right?

Thanks again for the warm welcome, all.

 

I'm here in the +93 as well.

It is worth noting that a very large contingent of members here are current or ex-military (dating back to Vietnam), current or former-LEO, and so on.

 

....Noted. Thanks again for the support. I didnt meanb to rub anyone the wrong way. My intent was to CONTRIBUTE something for my first post, rather than ASK for something.....which is how most folks start off in forums.

Sorry if it came off as a tutorial on how you should run your life. Lol, that was BY FAR not my intent.

 

Hey......I'm just glad its a Beretta debate. Something kinda new for a change. He didn't start another Glock vs 1911 vs 9mm vs 45 thread. :

Whats better.....AK or AR? Hahaha

Don't sweat some of the others lack of friendliness. Just keep doing what you're doing bro.

 

I like the M9. That said finding parts for anything is as likely as finding entire guns which makes needing to find parts unnecessary.

 

i got my 92FS after i had gotten my beretta Cx4... interchangable mags are nice and the cx4 is easier for my wife to carry around and shoot comfortably.

the 92FS is a decent side arm, the falling block locking mechanism is somewhat unique in most modern pistols, i dont particularily like that the front site is an itegral part of teh slide though, makes it more diffucult to adapt tritium night sites.... i also dont like that the firing pin plunger is exposed on the top... if you get blood/grit on that, the trigger bar wont push it out of the way of the moving firing pin and you wont be able to fire the pistol (this plunger is internal in most other pistols now adays).

other then that its a fine sidearm... chrome lined barrel, tested to 120% pressure... the mec gar mags i have for it hold 18 rounds, so good capacity, i like the 4.9" barrel, it gives you a little better efficiency then the shorter 4" barrels on most standard or compact pistols.

all that being said i still have 3 glocks, an xd, a 1911, among other pistols.

 

Tom, while I own and love the beretta pistol there are some factual errors in this post. I also have a few comments and/or questions

1. what is the .45 luger carbine? I'm not aware of this cartridge and it gives you a knock on credibility when you seem to be referencing non-existant cartridges.

2. The majority of 9mm are NOT sub-sonic. .45acp is, but the 9mm isn't. The most common bullet weights for a 9mm are 115-124gr (the NATO round is 124gr and it is not sub-sonic). Some 147gr bullets are, but not all.

When you say that the 9mm is sub-sonic and then say you were in the military and part of your duties where small arms instruction it doesn't make sense. Perhaps you were just ignorant to the facts, but I'm not sure how you never say 1200fps on a box of cartridges. I'm not going to call you a liar, but you have no credibility when you make statements like this.

 

2. The majority of 9mm are NOT sub-sonic.

This^^^.
The NATO load is around 1300 fps and that is super-sonic. (sub-sonic is 1080 fps or, less, at sea level)

Also, I know where the OP is coming from but, I have to agree with the post that mentioned the fact that a Glock would be as good of a choice as the Beretta given the amount of Glocks in use by law enforcement.

I don't own a Glock or a Beretta (by choice) but, if I exhausted my current resources and recovered one of either, I would use it.

Be well guys and gals.
Al

 

Perhaps the .45 luger carbine comment was a complete joke, but the appearance of your post is confident and the comment doesn't come across as a joke, but as an attempt to state a fact.

I'd say my comments/suggestions are the reason why some of the guys are giving you a hard time.

As I said, I love the 92. I've shot my Berettas in leagues, competions, tactical shoots, classes, and I've carried it concealed on many occassions. Great gun, never had a gun related problem (1 ammo related problem)...the gun simply doesn't jam and some of the malfunction drills classes wanted me to do it simply wouldn't do! It still ran which is better than a lot of other pistols that have failures.

My suggestion is to clear up your errors and next time post something like: Time for a discussion on the Beretta 92/m9.

1. high capacity magazines
2. good stopping power with modern bonded hollow point ammunition...as good as any other pistol.
3. common caliber ammunition
4. part availability (used by many police forces, US military and NATO)

Things like this without the aggressive/cocky tone and you'll get along fine.

 

.45 Luger Carbine

 

Does it shot the .45acp? or does it have a totally different case?

either way, the gun is not common and won't be used in a defensive situation.

 

The M9 is an excellent sidearm, we have gone with the Glock 17 platform for a few reasons: 1. Magazine prices-specifically the Korean KCI for $12. 2. Aftermarket supply of spare parts 3. Price is about $100 less per. 4. 30+ mag capacity is a hoot.

I am not saying the OP is wrong, his experience with the M9 makes it a winner for him. When it all comes down to it, what works with your hand is what matters most.

Other viable SHTF sidearms: Standard 1911, Colt or S&W .38s, .22 revolvers (for foraging).


If anyone thinks the 9mm is an insufficient caliber, research how many people the nazis killed with them.

 

Yuuup.

I like .45 and all, but 9mm was my choice to consolidate around. Steyr M9 all day...still deciding on a backup.

 

You are catching alot of crap because your first paragraph insults people. The title could be worded better sounds like a car dealership commercial.

OK, so the M9 9mm beretta might not have the stopping power that you like, and its just not as wonderful as your .454 or .500, maybe not the prestige of your .45 Luger Carbine, not the versatility of your "judge", or maybe you just carried a .45 M1911 "back when YOU were in the crotch", and your not gonna change today etc.....

I am a novice to guns and have much to learn, but there is no 45 Luger. I have heard mixed reviews about the M9. I don't have any experience with it myself though.

After holding a few pistols while guns shopping with parents the biggest issue will be how comfortable the grip is. I haven't held a glock yet but heard its not small hand friendly. Recoil is not an issue for me I think it makes shooting more fun.

I have only shot a CZ75b before pistol wise and its great, but it's out of my price range for a pistol.

Going from reading about pistols only I will probably pick up a revolver more specifically GP100 and an LCR in 357. It's not because I doubt the 9mm stopping power. I reload and revolvers are more forgiving on COAL, bullet style, cast vs jacketed or coated, (better choice for using snake shot) and can be loaded with more room to play with powder wise (don't have to worry about using enough powder to cycle). 357/38 is the most common caliber as far as revolvers go. I also want a side kick for a 357 levergun I want for my truck.

In the end it depends on what you are most comfortable and experienced with. I probably won't be buying that many handguns anyway.

I'm sorry this thread has gotten heated. Thank you for serving.

 

You are catching alot of crap because your first paragraph insults people. The title could be worded better sounds like a car dealership commercial.

OK, so the M9 9mm beretta might not have the stopping power that you like, and its just not as wonderful as your .454 or .500, maybe not the prestige of your .45 Luger Carbine, not the versatility of your "judge", or maybe you just carried a .45 M1911 "back when YOU were in the crotch", and your not gonna change today etc.....

I am a novice to guns and have much to learn, but there is no 45 Luger. I have heard mixed reviews about the M9. I don't have any experience with it myself though.

After holding a few pistols while guns shopping with parents the biggest issue will be how comfortable the grip is. I haven't held a glock yet but heard its not small hand friendly. Recoil is not an issue for me I think it makes shooting more fun.

I have only shot a CZ75b before pistol wise and its great. It's out of my price range for a pistol.

Going from reading about pistols only I will probably pick up a revolver more specifically GP100 and an LCR in 357. It's not because I doubt the 9mm stopping power. I reload and revolvers are more forgiving on COAL, bullet style, cast vs jacketed or coated, (better choice for using snake shot) and can be loaded with more room to play with powder wise (don't have to worry about using enough powder to cycle). 357/38 is the most common caliber as far as revolvers go. I also want a side kick for a 357 levergun I want for my truck.

In the end it depends on what you are most comfortable and experienced with. I probably won't be buying that many handguns anyway.

I'm sorry this thread has gotten heated. Thank you for serving.

I really like my ruger gp100 id recommend for every day use get the 4 in barrel mine has a 6 and its great for on the farm taking longer shots but the 4 is probably your most versatile barrel length
and CZ makes great guns

 

A 9mm is a great choice for many, but for me I started my serious preparing with .40 for several reasons.

First of all I do not foresee in the near future of the US being a military battlefield so I am preparing for what will be used locally. I have more LEO around my area than active military using weapons. Our local LEO's use .40, the State trooper down the street uses .40 and the govt has been buying billions of .40 HP for several years now.

9mm is being used by Seals, Secret Service and other govt units that I will not likely be around in the early stages of SHTF. I will hopefully be getting enough reloading supplies to cover 9mm as well in the near future. 9mm and .40 have been non existent in my area since Sandy Hook but I prepared well before when it looked like Obama was going to rule the country and take Chicago politics national.


Thanks for the service of all current military, veterans and LEO's.

 

don't think is new members only..if i had a dollar for every time someone suggested I bought a glock I could have retired by now People tend to recommend and defend what they purchased or like..I, myself, do not like glocks. I own about 17 handguns and not a single one is a glock..they are not bad guns, but one of the reasons they are so popular amongst LE depts is their price, not because they are absolutely the best there is...

 

I usually carry two guns. My CZ 75 9mm and a remington 700 BDL .308

Think a 9mm won't kill a three hundred pound boar? - i have done it. Last week. leaning out the window of my work truck with one hand on the steering wheel.

 

"battlefield pickup" is a ridiculous farce for any US-based survivalist or prepper except in two scenarios: foreign invasion, and domestic insurrection. In any other situation, just forget it. It's fantasy.

 

Yeah, but having somebody bring it up made me kind of nostalgic for AWRM and AK-47.net circa 1998.

 

For what it is worth, I will consider a Beretta in the future as a back up pistol for my other 9mm (a Browning HP). I've fired a friend's Beretta before and it seemed to be an adequate pistol for my purposes. I plan to stock enough ammo for my own needs in that caliber anyway, but it never hurts to have at least one commonly used firearm to fire it as well. As you mentioned, the availability of parts and magazines could conceivably become an issue if things fell apart.