I had my eye on a. Bullpup version, but just as I was really to pull the trigger it went up $200. Then as the election neared I couldn't find them anywhere. Personally, I like it, but have no time on one, yet.

 

As long as they cycle properly and don't jam, should be a great CQB weapon.

 

Looks like they come with magazines.

 

Yep my only concern is reliability. I don’t know that much about it. But I’m up for going down the stairs at 2 in the morning with it if they’re a good thing.

 

I like it myself. Looks nice.

 

I don’t like the platform. I’ve seen too many claims of unreliable feeding.
Detachable Magazine fed shotguns are problematic as far as I can see.

what I want is a tube magazine fed, bull pup , gas operated , semi auto shotgun. I want this mostly for hunting Turkey and possibly deer.

why doesn’t anybody make one ??

 

Tube fed bullpup? How would you design that? Would the tube be on the side?

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Call me a traditionalist stick in the mud, but old timey riot guns have been getting the job done for a long long time with almost no changes. Maybe the longest type of duty gun in common usage.

 

You sir, are a traditionalist.

 

My initial concerns are reliability and durability, including magazine functionality, followed by availability and price of parts and magazines. Ergonomics and weight would be up to you.

I don't see why magazine fed shotguns won't yield the same advantages as magazine fed rifles, but it seems like they still have to be debugged some. I'm real interested in the Fostech Origin 12.

 

A big downside to it is that it is not a Vepr 12. Love mine. Industructable, always reliable and accurate. Will shoot any 12 gauge ammo up to 3". Too bad they will cost you a pretty penny (north of $1,200) to get one now with the ban on Russian imports. I use mine for whitetail hunting as well.

 

wow, so mine has increased in value almost 400 bucks? nice!

I meant, the one I recently sold at a gun show...its on my spreadsheet!

 

Don't believe everything you see on the internet about reliability. A box magazine fed shotgun with reliable ammunition is, if anything, more reliable than a tube fed semi auto. The advantage being that the rounds only have to feed in one direction, that being up, instead of back, then up. I've had my MKA-1919 for years and it's always been a hoot to take to the range. Finally found a 20 round drum (to go with the 5 and 10 rounds box mags) and, while yes, it's heavier than my truck, it does get lighter as you go. 20 rounds of double ought buck needs no other introduction. People can scoff all they want, but disassembled, the MKA is nothing more than a dolled up Remington 1100.

 

Problem with the AR12 is that it isn't an AR.

It just has plastic parts on the outside to make it look like one.

The Chinese and Russian AK 12 guages are AK's.

I can work on them.

 

The primary purpose of a shotgun outside of hunting and bear defense is breeching doors. A rifle is best for home defense. I know you already have an ar-15 or similar so I’m not going to tell you to get one, but I would skip it and go with something else.

Primary issue with semi autos are that they may not cycle reliably with different loads. Can be worked around by having an adjustable gas system but IMO they defeat the excellent versatility of a shotgun in general. No 3 1/2” chambers, have to fiddle and fine tune a gas system to work with your load of choice, and you can’t really shoot non-traditional shot out of them.

 

Primary issue with semi autos are that they may not cycle reliably with different loads. Can be worked around by having an adjustable gas system but IMO they defeat the excellent versatility of a shotgun in general. No 3 1/2” chambers, have to fiddle and fine tune a gas system to work with your load of choice, and you can’t really shoot non-traditional shot out of them.

Fiddle and fine tune? No...I just turn it up a notch if things get dirty.
But mine is a Saiga, and runs everything at one setting.

None of my other guns is a 3.5 inch either, no loss there.

 

appreciate the feedback....

 

I had been reading about the AR and AK style 12ga. for a couple years. I got to handle a panzer a the gun show almost a year ago. I did not like it. Of course there is little information on the web and we only hear the bad stuff, 10 people will get online to complain make it sound like a million are having problems, but in reality there may be a million running just fine we never hear about.

Ended up buying the Lynx 12 from sds. Rumor has it they just got another batch imported. I paid $450 which I thought was steep but I was okay with it. It is a saiga clone, most of the part (at least external parts) interchange and some internal parts. Couldn't find too many complaints about them online.

The gas is easily adjustable if you have problems feeding. I have not needed to yet.

So far I love it. Bought a couple CSSpecs mags. The things feeds, and shoots great. Now I need a muzzle brake to keep the flare down and get back on target faster.

The lynx has a following, there are lots of custom mods for it, depends on what you want to spend. But seems to be a popular 3 gun choice.

Switching mags is kind of clumsy but you learn. You can get free drop mag wells. My csspecs mags will free fall now and then. I need to get a drum before they outlaw them.

For me there was just not enough information about the AR12 and future is unknown if parts will be around or not. They were $350 at the gun show last fall, if they were still that cheap I would probably get one just to see if I hated it or not.

 

What do you guys think of an AR style, 12 gauge, Semi-Automatic? This one comes with two, 5 round clips, but 10 round clips can be purchased.

I would think 10 rounds of 'double aught' would be damn formidable.

Any downside to a gun like this?

No 25 round mags is the only downside.

 

Even if you remove the wood dowel, most shotguns only hold 4 in the tube.

What appeals to be most about these guns is the 10 round mag.

I've been reading and researching more and I am about to pull the proverbial trigger.

Kinda digging this Tri-Star in Desert Sand.

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Even if you remove the wood dowel, most shotguns only hold 4 in the tube.

What appeals to be most about these guns is the 10 round mag.

I've been reading and researching more and I am about to pull the proverbial trigger.

LOL kind of sounds like your mind is made up.

What are people saying? Do share.

I decided a long time ago I wanted a 410 upper for an AR. No real practical purpose just wanted it. Told myself if I saw one again for less than $315 I would buy it. Well one popped up. I still need to put it together.

The AR or even AK 12 is not like that. There are no standard parts so you better buy 2 lol.

They have never interested me, but I have read there are mag conversions for pump shotguns, I would imagine there are some for semi autos as well then. So that might be another option.

This is my son shooting the Lynx 12 the first time. 5 round mag. No mods. You can see how bad the muzzle flare is. just some #8 bird shot, light rounds even. buckshot doesn't kick noticeably harder.
It really needs a muzzle brake and better forward grip.
Fun gun to shoot.

 

John:

The AK version has 5, 8, and 10 round mFs as well as 20 round drums.



Saiga's are high, but the Chinese knock off is $450-650, and uses the same mags.
It also comes pre-converted to a pistol grip configuration.

MUCH better gun, more accessories, and easier to work on.

 

Ok.... I am listening.... I was dismissing the AK's as they seemed to be over a grand in price.

But I just found this one..... What do you think????

 

I think it is a decent gun, I was going to buy that exact one before I came across the Lynx 12 locally.

Buying locally saved shipping and FFL fee so I went the other direction. Not sure about the JTS but it could very well be made in the same factory as other AK 12s, seems to be pretty common these days.

 

I called every gun store in a 100 miles and nobody has an AK12.

Buds is probably my best option and likely the best price. I've got an FFL that only charges $20.

Seriously going to consider and will sleep on this.

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Don't sleep too late. If it isn't the rent money, buy it NOW.

My Saiga 12 was $350, my SIL got one a year earlier for $250, which he eventually traded for a Colt Gold Cup stainless 1911. A decent investment, I'd say. I got a $170 Saiga in X39 that same day. Still got it. Unless it went over in the great boating accident of 2020, I guess.

And they're lots of fun...shotgun ammo is still available, right?

I have a 12 round drum...they're almost too much bulk on the sides, but the 10 round sticks are great.

 

The Lynx are on GunBroker for $499.99 and the JTS is $479.99 : Guns & Firearms for Sale | GunBroker.com

Mark

 

The Lynx are on GunBroker for $499.99 and the JTS is $479.99 : Guns & Firearms for Sale | GunBroker.com

Mark

yeah now that you mention it, I found mine on gunbroker. I often do searches for my state only. The one I bought was listed at $499. When I contacted him he said come on over. LOL
When he rang it up it was only $449. He said he marks everything up when he lists with gunbroker.
That was nice of him.

 

There were some 410 uppers over there too......wink, wink - just saying.

Mark

 

I have a Lynx as well. Got it in a trade and have really come to like it. No problems so far with everything Ive shot out of it, and 10 rounds of #1 Buck can be unloaded on target very quickly, accurately, and easily. They are like an AK, and very easy to shoot well with.

With familiarity, reloading becomes a lot easier and is actually very quick and positive. Ive had my eye out for another, but you don't see them much around here.

 

Buy it.