Meanwhile, February brought a snow record for Boston and record cold for Cleveland, Buffalo, Syracuse, N.Y.; Harrisburg, Pa., and several other cities. Chicago tied its February cold record. :rofl:

Global warming or global cooling? My money is on cooling.

Edited to add: That prior heat record of 62.8 you mentioned...it was on April 24, 1961. Hey...maybe the weather is cyclical.

 

While the rest of the planet outpaced record highs to low by 4 to 1. Poor nor'easters. :upsidedown:

 

Break out the shorts....

 

Robert, this is just argument bait and you know it. If you aren't doing anything to help other people find financially feasible alternatives, you're contributing nothing whatsoever and just pot stirring. Nobody that is against AGW is going to suddenly go "oh wow, robert_w posted one more link to a news article, my eyes have been opened." Finding cheaper sources for low power appliances, off grid electric systems, etc, is helping. Announcing that home depot is having a sale on home insulation, is helping. Reviewing a company that installed high efficiency windows for you, is helping. If you are doing that in other places on the forum, by all means continue, but stop the baiting bull s***.

 

And your point is what? That I continue to remind people that we need to get our heads out of our asses and start reducing our fossil fuel dependency?

If that's a bad thing then I'm guilty! :thumb:

 

Why do they state that it may have happened? Do they not know how to read their instruments or do they need to adjust the raw data to make their point stick. Just how long have we been recording temps. in Antarctica anyway? I have no idea but I bet its not more than a few hundred years and in planetary time frame that's a very short time, for all we know the temperature has hit even higher hundreds if not thousands times in the past before we stared recording temps. The same scientist that are screaming that we are killing the planet are the same that are telling us there used to be forest there. I guess we caused that also with all the cavemen and dinosaurs driving SUV. It's all just a natural cycle but that doesn't make anyone any money or drum up votes by scaring people so it can't be that can it.

 

I thought initially you were saying the temperature in Antarctica reached -63 F... ie, 63 degrees BELOW zero... and that was the highest temperature recorded there.

I was boggled.

 

Sorry. Was the way the title cut and paste through.

 

Here is my take on this whole bidness...


Subtract any and all human influence (or lack of) to the planet's weather system.

Except only that we have weather data recorded back to a certain point.


Now consider the possibility that the planet is hinting at a major climate change - in comparison to historical data and information on past climate shifts.


Basically, who cares what is the cause. Is it an effect that will happen, and what can we do to prepare? If anything?

 

Here is my take on this whole bidness...

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Basically, who cares what is the cause. Is it an effect that will happen, and what can we do to prepare? If anything?

This is my take on the situation, too. And the question I ask a lot, as well. The problem is, there doesn't seem to be any good answer. If climate change is being caused by Man, the political, social, and economic forces against doing anything are so strong nothing is going to happen until the situation becomes disastrous. Like idiots who refuse to worry about their house being on fire until the flames are only a few feet away. Indeed, even if the governments and people of the world WERE to start making changes I think it's too late and the best we can do is reduce the extent of the disaster over the course of decades, not avoid it.

(My real fear is that people will panic when things start getting serious. They'll dump iron dust in the oceans to tie up carbon through algae bloom, they'll shoot reflective particles in massive amounts into the upper atmosphere, and they'll turn a disastrous situation into an absolute catastrophe. Probably while waging war with each other at the same time. I anticipate a kill off of humanity unlike anything in history.)

With government and industry doing nothing, that leaves it up to individuals to save themselves if they can. And it's not clear how they can. I've asked that question here and the best advice seem to be to prepare for bad times that last. Store up lots of food while prices are relatively cheap, increase production, get off the grid, upgrade utilities, and expect all sorts of problems economic, social, and environmental. It's basic, but that seems to be it.

I really hope I'm wrong...

So, I can expect my tomatoes to grow larger and sweeter this season? Cool.
Thanks for the good news.

Research suggests increased levels of CO2 and warmth in the atmosphere leads to faster growing but less nutritious and tasty produce. If you feel that's good news... (shrug)

 

I think the one word that throws a lot of light on the continuous changing environment is recorded. The highest, lowest, etc "recorded" temp.

 

There is a certain amount of info that can be found from sources like tree rings, ice cores, sediment levels in the ground etc etc.

That data goes back before "recorded."

 

So, I can expect my tomatoes to grow larger and sweeter this season? Cool.
Thanks for the good news.

 

Tuesday’s new record is not yet official. Argentina’s Esperanza Base, the site of the record, may not be considered part of Antarctica for the purposes of weather records according to Weather Underground historian Christopher Burt. He explains four different ways Antarctica can be defined in a blog post. Ultimately, for the record to be official, the World Meteorological Organization will need to validate the temperature reading and determine it is, in fact, Antarctic.

NOT REALLY PART OF ANTARTICA

This week’s possible temperature record was setup by a large, warm ridge of high pressure – or heat dome – originating from southern South America that extended over the Antarctic Peninsula.

WEATHER EVENTS ARE NOT THE SAME AS CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...p/2015/03/27/antarctica-may-have-set-highest-temperature-ever-recorded-tuesday/

 

LIES LIES AND MORE LIES.

Seems the reported temperature data is not correct. Why do they continue to lie?

http://www.accuweather.com/en/aq/esperanza-base/1 71288_poi/march-weather/171288_poi

 

ALL CAPS is not helpful.


It does not make you "More RIght." Even though, in this case, you need some help on that front.

 

But, I only use caps when I'm shouting.

 

Robert, isn't this the type of information point where you normally point out the difference between "climate" and "weather" when it doesn't support your chosen view?

 

And December of 2013 Antarctica recorded the coldest temperature ever on the planet since we started taking records.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m/world/2013/dec/10/coldest-temperature-recorded-earth-antarctica-guinness-book

Our time span of actual record keeping is abysmally short Robert and you know it. Telling us about some record hot temperature is no more meaningful than me just telling you about the record cold temperature. Neither event has any specific meaning on a global scale AT ALL.

And. You. Know. It.

Interesting how you only tell us about hot temperatures but the cold ones never even seem to register on your radar screen. I wonder why that is?

 

I have noticed it here with gardening and plants the burn as a result of the harsher sunlight .
Now I have to use shade cloth to protect them.
The sun's activities are what is affecting the earth ,more than man.

 

My car doesn't get very good gas mileage. My wife's does. I've noticed that when I drive my car I feel alot warmer than when I drive her's. Maybe its because I'm contributing to "spot" warming, or maybe its because her car has air conditioning and mine doesn't. I'm not sure. Can someone help me figure out definitively which one it is? Can anyone prove definitively that humans are the cause of this warming trend that brought on record cold and snowfall this winter? Thank goodness for global warming, imagine how bad this winter would have been without it.

 

I am neither pro ice age nor pro global warming. I plan to be as ready as possible for either or whatever. But it surprises me sometimes that the same people who seem to promote readiness and especially personal responsibility and accountability get so bloody angry when even the words "global warming" or "climate change" are brought up. Imo, everyone should be practicing personal minimalism to some degree if you want to be ready for any catastrophic situation. What could it hurt? Whereas, the opposite, greedy overindulgence seems like a dangerous practice. So this argument always confuses me, especially on this site.

 

But it surprises me sometimes that the same people who seem to promote readiness and especially personal responsibility and accountability get so bloody angry when even the words "global warming" or "climate change" are brought up.

It's because of the vilification that goes with it.

Even if I am doing FAR more than the "pro-warmers" to save the planet, if I don't agree with their particular flavor of the religion of warming, they want to crucify me.

Then there's the hypocrisy of the "professional" warmers out there, making a living off the scare.

Imo, everyone should be practicing personal minimalism to some degree if you want to be ready for any catastrophic situation. What could it hurt? Whereas, the opposite, greedy overindulgence seems like a dangerous practice. So this argument always confuses me, especially on this site.

See...that's the issue. Hardly anyone is ACTUALLY greedy and overindulgent. That's just the label used for people that disagree with one's own position about things, why they are, and what should be done.

When the pro-warmers get their hyperbole going, the rest of us tend to get ours going in response...you know, talking about burning tires, using diesel as weed control, etc...:thumb:

 

We should probably do something about manmade solar activity, and manmade lunar cycles, since those appear to be the more likely culprit of our current warming spell. I'm not precisely certain how man can cause increased solar activity and lunar cycles, but I'm sure a politician/activist can explain how it probably has something to do with my conservative views on social issues and advocacy for free markets.

 

If I had to place a bet on whats happening Is say that the earth has tilted its axis slightly. Remember that massive Tsunami in India a few years ago and more recently Fukashima? Well Earthquakes have been known to shift the axis of the earth. That is something that could actually explain hotter summers (Antarctica is in summer) AND cooler winters.

 

What is going to happen to my lawn!!??!??!?!! The same thing that happens every year.

 

The one fact that is hard to deny is Sea Level rise.
At around 3.3mm per year my favorite place, the Florida Keys will soon go the way of Atlantis.
And that **** makes me sad!

 

That'll be just fine if all the gays go under with it.

 

Climate change is a normal part of the earth's processes. It will go on just as evolution goes on. Nothing is static. We cannot stop it. We may have contributed a little but that is part of the evolution process. On the positive side the process is slow. I doubt we will see a small ice age or massive rise in the oceans in our life time.

 

Indeed, global temperatures have been rebounding from "The Little Ice Age" since the 1890's. If past interglacial periods are any predictor of the future, I expect global temperatures to get even warmer yet.

Earth's temperatures are currently well within geological norms (we're several degrees below the geologic average of the last couple hundred million years), and our atmosphere is actually C02 impoverished by historical (geological) standards.

As a geologist, it's really tough for me to get too worked up about our current interglacial event when the last three (Medieval, Roman, and Holocene) warming periods were considerably warmer.

I (and a growing number of my colleagues) tend to think there's a chance that our minor (less than 200 ppm) contribution to global C02 concentrations may have an equally minor affect on global temperatures, but, given the very poor correlation between historical atmospheric C02 levels and global temperatures, I think all the hand wringing over AGWT is unwarranted.

 

I'm always amused when the "Big Oil" accusations come out. Big government is what I worry about. If I could get a good paying job with "Big Oil", I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

I got my check from big oil today time to start irritating the greenies again!!!!! Oh wait there was no check just like global warming is not man made

 

For any of those that would like to know one reason why the East Coast has suffered colder winters:
Global warming is now slowing down the circulation of the oceans
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-slowing-down-the-circulation-of-the-oceans-with-potentially-dire-consequences/

Study available here: http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate2554.html

 

For any of those that would like to know one reason why the East Coast has suffered colder winters:
Global warming is now slowing down the circulation of the oceans
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-slowing-down-the-circulation-of-the-oceans-with-potentially-dire-consequences/

Or...is slower circulation causing the warming?

Hmmm.:upsidedown: