teach kids that this is what happens when they bully others. in every single case of student on student, the shooter was always being bullied or ostracised by at least one of the victims

 

Now we need to teach that to the COPS, Politicians, the list goes on and on. I :thumb: your statement but I am also a realist about how society loves bullies just not equally.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-weber/how-our-society-has-manif_b_1548368.html

 

Stop punishing people who defend themselves.

 

parents gettig involved with their kids more??? so they can see a change in their kids personality maybe head this type of stuff off. But instead they leave them in their rooms playing video games. IM an old guy but my mom and dad had a 6th sense they knew what my brother and me were thinking before we did.

 

Yes Jim, My parents too were involved. They also gave me OUTSIDE. As a kid I thought it was the only answer my mother had. It covered a large array of questions and situations. As a parent I reflected on the lessons I learned outside and the favor down.
I think more folks today need to wake up to the virtues found in the older methods of child rearing. Maybe we would have fewer nuts shooting up our schools. That said let us all stay mindful of why our nations leaders would love to see an unarmed nation.

 

It's because we basically immortalize these acts with all the media coverage. We shut down everything else to gaze at the horror, basically making these insane demented psychopaths an instant celebrity.

 

Aliens are at it again.

 

Yeah that's what I'm guessing it was Roswell, New Mexico. I think the zombies got to the kid.

But I'm surprised they didn't give him a ray gun?

Rancher

 

start home schooling and don't send you children to socialized/Government schools

 

Indeed
:thumb:

 

A lot of kids these days have teenage crack whores or meth addicts as mothers, and they don't even know who their father is. A lot of them have nobody around to tell them what is right and what is wrong. They also never learned to fear or respect adults or authority.

 

a lot of kids these days also have rich parents that give them everything they ask for, except the teaching of responsibility. these kids get bought out of everything and continue to actually think they deserve to be allowed to pick on the less fortunate, right up until they get thrown in jail. what is surprising to me is that there aren't more school shootings

 

People need to start shooting back.

 

Arm teachers

 

Stop teaching kids how to be victims would be a start.
Arm the teachers

I don't know how we have so many depressed, angry, and violent kids today as opposed to 30, 40, or 50 years ago. So many kids today are just....sad.

 

Maybe I am desensitized, but I was more intrigued that this happened in Roswell.... I smell a conspiracy afoot.

 

what is it going to take to stop school shootings ? (and to stop the gun controllers from disarming we law abiding owners )

an entry foyer with bullet proof acrylic on the 2nd entry wall,, and an alert Armed Law Enforcement Officer or Security PROFESSIONAL,, (not a pimply faced mall ninja) in that "air lock" sort of area,,

we have such in court rooms,, nuke plants,, and some hospitals etc,, why not in schools ?

 

I live not to far from Roswell. I just hope them kids will be okay.

 

It's a result of several different factors. Bullying is one. Though most people are bullied to some degree. But still, it doesn't make it right or acceptable.

Another factor is our violent culture. The movies and videogames really do taint the minds of young people. The abundance and accessibility of guns also makes it easier for them to obtain weapons which they can use to carry out these crimes.

Crappy parenting. The Columbine killers had manifestos and bombs and weapons stockpiled in their bedrooms. And somehow the parents "didn't see it coming"?

Those factors are always a common theme in these cases.

 

Instead of punishing bullies school admins think they can talk to them or show them videos......

 

I agree with you 100%. The problem with some of these schools is that they are to worried about how the football team will look in new uniforms, or how cheerleaders are going to get their new uniforms, or a bunch of this new technology that kids don't give a **** about. They don't care about the safety of the kids or teachers.

 

since when did the world become full of such *******, brewmaster has a point, bullying has been around since the beginning of time and will happen to people through out their lives at one point or another, but what's with all of these whiny little jerks feeling they need to shoot up schools, movie theaters or work place because they are being picked on?

what is this BS?

i don't know where to lay the blame but the prevailing weakness of our society, this coddling and the thought everyone is a special little flower,it sucks, this place needs to grow a thicker skin in general....

who gives a crap if someone picks on you or calls you names?
it's not the end of the world, usually whatever happened in school would be made up for by having a good caring family at home that made you feel good about yourself and helped you talk things like this through...

seriously, i really don't get it and don't understand why these little pukes are so bloody weak and stupid they feel the need to take a gun to school instead of handling it like man (bare fists) or just turning the other cheek, it never used to be that you'd go home grab a gun and then go to school the next day and shoot up the place, what's with the change in mentality, what is physiologically wrong here and where did it shift?

..../rant over.....

 

you and brewmaster were obviously not bullied in school. I was and believe me, if there were guns available, some of the kids in my school would have indeed shot the bullies. it used to be that you were safe at home, but now, with the internet so prevalent, kids are bullies all day long and their victims never get a break. the turn the other cheek thing does not work when parents defend their little brats in their bullying by using the exact words you just said. now, they get bullied even more if they try to stop it, and by everyone, not just the original bully. one girl in Canada who was bullied to suicide had more than 100 messages on her phone telling her to kill herself. IN 2 DAYS, BY PEOPLE SHE HAD NEVER EVEN MET!!
her crime> some guy talked her into having sex with him while he was dating someone else.
sorry, but in my opinion, most of the kids getting shot in school deserve exactly what they got.

 

Let kids fight and defend themselves immediately and they won't bring guns to solve these kinds of issues... zero tolerance only works for the administrators because it gives them a quick and lazy solution (expel both parties). This crap never happened when I was growing up because we were allowed to defend ourselves and work it out on our own. As a matter of fact, we could carry knives to school and you never heard about stabbings either. The problem now, is that the kids are being stifled by a school administration that enforces the rules (zero tolerance), but does not protect the student body. Sounds much like our local & federal governments doesn't it?

 

It's long been my opinion that modern schools actually protect bullies. So if a bullied kid stands up for himself, he ends up in trouble because he threw the first punch despite undergoing months or years of mental abuse. Meanwhile, the code against tattling is still as much in place as it ever was. So people who get bullied don't have any good options.

I still haven't seen a good explanation for why this stuff happens, school shooters are pretty diverse and in most cases, explanations for why they did it usually aren't based on facts. Take violent video games for instance, just as millions of people own guns without becoming murderers, millions of game fans enjoy the entertainment without killing anyone. Plus, there are countries with higher numbers of gamers and lower numbers of violent crimes than the USA.

The best I can come up with is that mental health care is pretty spotty. We don't seem to have found a way of identifying and treating people with varying degrees of mental illness. And doing it in away that protects their rights. But again, there are problems with this and it's difficult to separate sullen teens from mentally ill ones. Not all school shooters exhibited signs that would clearly show they were different from the average teenager.

 

Part of it is that there are just so many kids now. That means instead of 1 or 2 sociopaths in class, you'll have 10. Instead of 1 or 2 two mean-spirited bullies, you'll have 20. Percentagewise the violent incidents are still rather low, but you just see more of them because there are more people in general.

 

Quit giving all the little retards ADHD meds and make them do something then we wouldn't have these problems.....

 

I think this is a huge problem. It appears about 90% of these shooters are on some form of psychotropic medication. This is a major problem in the developing brain because they do NOT know the long term effects psychotropic drugs will have on the developing brain.

There was a list of the recent school shootings and the drugs the kids were on.

I think it's quite scary when we consider just how many of our children are now being labeled ADD, ADHD, ODD, OCD, PDD, Asperger's and the like.

The field of Psychiatry is speculative at best. It is said that the new DSMR5 can diagnose anyone with a mental disorder.

Sumthin to think about.

 

as someone said above schools are so big

I am totally against the "central school systems"

they are for the convenience of the teachers and staff

they require children to take long bus rides (on which a great deal of the bullying takes place btw)

the buses are expensive to buy and operate,, and an impediment to other people trying to get to and from work,, to the vehicles of commerce

I have attended huge schools with indoor pools,, and smaller ones,, one was 3 rooms in Leeds NY,,, had 3 teachers,, each taught 3 grades in the same room, K-1 &2,, 3,4 and 5, and 6,7 & 8 ... maybe 8 or 9 kids in each class,,worked out fine for my brother , sister and I
no time was wasted changing classes etc
and the teachers knew each kid well...we all knew each other well

when Jimmy McNulty started bullying ,, a few of the rest of us put a stop to it quickly

 

I'm with Bearack on this one. I don't think it has anything to do with bullying, mental health, or violent video games.

I think it happens because we are raising a generation of dumbed down, self entitled pansies, with absentee parents and loose morals, who thinks the world owes them something. I think kids need a little less "talking to" and a little more "I'm gettin the belt."

 

I'm mostly with you. I don't think things like violent video games cause mass shootings by themselves. We've all played violent video games and none of us are mass shooters. Just as we've all probably been exposed to pornography at some point in our lives, but none of us are serial killers.

That said, mass shooters are almost universally very into violent first person shooter video games, and nearly every serial killer that has ever lived was addicted to pornography.

Clearly, these things must be combined with an already abnormal psychology to be dangerous.

 

I think this is an important point most of you miss when discussing bullying. When most of us were bullied in school it ended at the last bell. What happened at school, stayed at school. The other 16 hours a day and 2 full days a week we were free from the harassment. Well not any more, thanks to the internet it continues 24/7/365 enabled by parents who buy and fail to regulate the use of the devices that perpetrate it.

 

And whats worse is many times parents join in.

 

There's always going to be a certain number of rejects, failures, and disgraces to humanity. Whether they manifest into that as kids in the form of a school shootings, or wait until later in life to commit some random shooting elsewhere, the result is the same. The person sacrifices their own life just to hurt others.

These are defective individuals, whether you attribute that to nature, nurture, or both. You can try to mitigate this as much as possible, but you can't ban videogames, you can't ban guns, and you can't prevent bullying. At the end of the day it comes down to how you were raised and your own personal accountability.

 

Nothing will stop it. You can mitigate the possibility, to some extent, but it will never stop completely. That is the harsh reality that nobody is willing to admit.