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American Territory is an Impenetrable Fortress. Here's Why.

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#1 ·
Yes, I know about EMPs. Before you pull out the pitchforks, he acknowledges the reality of asymmetric warfare starting at 26:11. But from a traditional warfare perspective, we enjoy many benefits living in the good ol' US of A that make a classical land/air/sea invasion in the sense of WWII very difficult. They'd have to first hit us with an EMP or a cyber attack or terrorist attacks or instigate economic warfare in order to then later bring in the big guns. But even then, we can put up a heckuva fight.

"Make fun of Americans and their love of McDonald’s all you want, but don’t underestimate their ability to take that McDonald’s back by force."

 
#89 ·
The pleated skirt is one of the most attractive garments a woman can wear, especially on windy days. I think it got its inspiration from the kilt, they just shortened it and made it of lighter material.


Like others have said, I think an old school frontline vs. frontline invasion battle of the usa is pretty impractical.
I also think if we weaken ourselves from within far enough it won't be necessary.
 
#83 ·
They did, but they're not same, at all. Only similar in looks. The Highland pipes are older too I think.

 
#86 ·
Sorry, but that "impenetrable fortress" is already full of would-be attackers.
Being inside the walls is no protection if the threat is in there with you.
If the impetus was there I'm sure the US could be cleared..... From what I'm reading over 1,000,000 illegals have self deported since Mr Trump started the deportation efforts.
 
#76 ·
I know very little to nothing about kilts, and it's not something I'd wear I won't even wear shorts lol When I was little Id ball and scream and get my butt blisterd good from mom when she made me wear shorts. I do believe I've read some of the kilts was used for blanket? That would make a good piece of gear maybe I could be talked into wearing kilt over jeans if it could also be used as blanket.

I used to love bagpipes but now when I hear them they bring back not so good memories, I relate bagpipes to fallen brothers now.
 
#77 ·
... I do believe I've read some of the kilts was used for blanket? That would make a good piece of gear maybe I could be talked into wearing kilt over jeans if it could also be used as blanket...
Poncho & liner. Then you wouldn't like some confused Irish/Scot...
 
#74 ·
I know. I’m Scotch and Irish myself. The poor kind, especially the Irish part, way back in the day. Anyway, I’ve watched Braveheart and Rob Roy eleventy seven times, so kilts and bagpipes are OK with me.
They are okay with me too and I LOVE bagpipe music. I once thought of learning to play and have The College of Piping Highland Bagpipe Tutor book. I even shopped for practice chanters, but never did it.

I traced my ancestry waaaaay back to some Scottish kings .. ..

I still wouldn't wear a kilt except in a parade or if I was in a bagpipe band. There is a band called The Salt Lake Scots which I used to travel to Salt Lake City to hear them practice. Pipe music gives me chills.

Men were wearing skirts and dress-like garments for centuries.
And now we know better. ;)

Other cultures have traditional dress that I wouldn't wear into battle either.
 
#65 ·
I don't see anybody invading us as part of a hot war--though what has been happening with the open borders could be perceived as a similar thing.

The point of an EMP-attack isn't, IMO, as a prelude to invasion; it's to disable the ability of the US to respond to other actions in the world.

The logistics of invading the US are overwhelming. Think back to WWII as the example, and the number of ships and convoys necessary to stockpile the logistical support of the D-Day invasion and continued war effort. How do you get, say, 2-3 million troops invading AND all the logistics support they'll require? It's not like they'd be able to live off the land--all that capability would be exhausted by the EMP aftermath.
 
#64 ·
As of about 2022, all -- ALL -- former war methods are kaput.
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Legions of well-trained well-paid professional warriors in fancy hats are as out-dated as last month's milk and eggs.
One 9yo with a drone can terrify an entire battalion and ground an entire Air Force.
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How much time/energy/resources must be diverted to counter the threat before the entire regime is crippled?
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Now, can you imagine a few dozen pre-teen LARPers and their drones?
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And it doesn't have to be one kid against an army.
Wal*Mart in Sparta, Wisconsin suffered nearly us$9,000,000 (nine million fedbux) in damages from one whack-job with a Bic™ lighter:
www.weau.com/2024/04/22/sparta-woman-pleads-not-guilty-charges-following-fire-sparta-walmart/
For context, Emma always carries her Bic®, she lights fires inside the family home, she set a cat on fire.
Confronted by LawEnforcementOfficials, her mother immediately asked "Where did she start a fire?".
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Anybody believing that will be a singular isolated incident is delusional... and is probably a commie cross-dresser.
 
#60 ·
There will be no invasion, they will just destroy us.
They'd better hurry because we're doing a pretty good job of destroying ourselves...

If you are talking true southern hemisphere, their armies would have to cross the isthmus of Panama. Central America near the border would likely see EMP damage too.
They have ships.
 
#53 ·
I look at my neighborhood. All but one house out of 40 have guns in their home. The one without, I would not count on for anything. 80%. at least have been in combat or are hunters. Then there are a few of us, farily well trained by ROTC, and have plenty of guns, ammunition, and have a decent amount of practice and range time. We are about a mile from other clusters of houses, separated by a pine swamp forrest.

The hood, or adjacent high ground in a pine swamp forest are well defendable, from an on foot attack. But the homes are susceptable to drone, rocket or artillery attack. No basement shelters, the water table is only 3 feet below the surface~! You don't have to occupy the area, you can starve it out.
 
#52 ·
If we get invaded.... It will be from within the USA.
What do you mean "if"?

Our local TV news has a lot of reports on crimes because if it bleeds, it leads. I'd say 2/3 of all the crimes reported are being done by guess who?

The most recent is where the father burned down his home with himself, his wife and kids (domestic violence) inside killing them all. She didn't report him previously because she didn't want to be deported.

Next, the local media sympathizes with how upset the 'hispanic community' is at all the ICE arrests. They usually air a bleeding heart interview with frightened "immigrants" and with the help of an interpreter.

So yeah, we've been invaded. And most people are okay with it.
 
#50 ·
have never worried about tanks rolling into my little town. Couple points though. I have sat and listened to my mom (93 yrs old) recount memories as a child when the sirens would go off and blackout time. There were actual German subs just off shore from her small town of Beaufort SC (now a major military town) Second point, no, never gonna see a Red Dawn scenario, but we did just have a major bust of Fent to the tune of 150lbs...report stated enough to kill the state of SC 6 times over. And this came across the border into Cali and them managed to drive all the way across country in a semi by two illegals who had previous deportations. So, yeah, I don't expect to ever hang nose-to-nose with a non US tank. There have been days when I've wondered if my own political leadership wasn't prepared to roll heavy into my town though. But that's not the point of the OP.
 
#49 ·
here's a scenario. EMP wipes out the US, 60-90% die off.

What's to stop the southern hemisphere from simply taking over? Stage armies on the border, then roll in like Desert Storm.
If you are talking true southern hemisphere, their armies would have to cross the isthmus of Panama. Central America near the border would likely see EMP damage too.
would we nuke our own border?
We would nuke south of our own border .... if that's what it would take.
You should NEVER underestimate your enemy. Especially when you make it possible to just walk across any open border. And that goes on every night on the southern border.
After WW1 the French built the Maginot Line to prevent France from being invaded by Germany again. The Germans simply went around it and through Belgium.

Our southern border, all of it, needs to be sealed up tighter than a frog's butt. The Canadian border is vulnerable but Canada is less likely IMO to cooperate with foreign invaders than mexico.
the total expulsion of muslims until the 15th. century.
Annnnd ... now they are back inserting themselves into European governments left and right and causing the usual mayhem.

Search for mass stabbings in Germany and UK and see what comes up.
 
#47 · (Edited)
I'm not nearly as worried about an invasion as I am the cancer spread of illegal invasion that grows every day. I can shoot at invaders but killing illegals will get you sent to prison. Or worse. Its a disease we aren't even allowed to treat. :(
 
#45 ·
I will watch the whole thing later, the title is correct. I find the two extremes amusing. The reality is that a small percentage, even 5% of 300 million is still a really big number, around 12x the largest military on the planet. Never mind that personally I know a lot of people who wouldn't be volunteering for the military but absolutely would grab something and shoot back in the case of a foreign military force actually invading the CONUS, that number might not be 50% but it's a lot more than 5%. Then add geography, oil production, refinery capabilities, industrial capacity, that's even before mentioning stored guns and ammo, which who knows what the actual numbers are but estimates put more than 1/3 of every guns on the planet in the hands of private American's.

I don't worry about too much but CONUS invasion is about as low it can get on the list. Whats happening in Ukraine is a good real world example, Russia doesn't have enough guns to hand out to the people who are willing to fight, let alone the people who don't want to. Is going from 2 men to 1 rifle to 5 men to 1 rifle going to help? I don't think so. Retaliation, air superiority, tanks, EMP, nukes, we've got all that stuff too and we're not afraid to use it.
 
#46 ·
I don't worry about too much but CONUS invasion is about as low it can get on the list. Whats happening in Ukraine is a good real world example, Russia doesn't have enough guns to hand out to the people who are willing to fight, let alone the people who don't want to. Is going from 2 men to 1 rifle to 5 men to 1 rifle going to help? I don't think so. Retaliation, air superiority, tanks, EMP, nukes, we've got all that stuff too and we're not afraid to use it.
And therein lies the problem. You have crackpots leading nuclear powers, threatening armegeddeon on each other and the world, and no virtually checks left on the systems that would stop them.

We SHOULD be VERY AFRAID to use the means of our extermination. How will the oligarchy build their guilded palaces if the global economy is destroyed? And yet many are like it's no big deal, the ecosystem can absorbe a few hundred big nukes, I mean they've done a couple hundred above ground tests before, so we'll just let it roll off... We could use a few billion less people anyway...
 
#31 ·
And I've run yet another good topic off the rails... ;)

My apologies to the OP and mods, et al..

Getting back on track - here's a scenario. EMP wipes out the US, 60-90% die off.

What's to stop the southern hemisphere from simply taking over? Stage armies on the border, then roll in like Desert Storm. A few million soldiers and - settlers. Against what? Our army starved or went rogue, air force is gone. Only our navy at sea and some overseas bases might be intact and still have nukes - would we nuke our own border?

Would there be enough people left to mount a coordinated defense? Could the red and blue cooperate long enough, or would they sacrafice land for security?

Things to ponder at 3 am...
 
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#27 ·
In WW1 the Germans referred to the Kilt wearing Scottish soldiers as "Lady's From Hell". There is a guy that lives around me I used to see in WM who wore a Kilt. I talked him once and found out he wrote articles for some kind of magazine geared for Scotsmen. I haven't seen him in a while. He was a nice guy.