Minister says black box found at crash site as families await answers

All but one of the 242 people on board the London-bound flight died when it crashed into a residential area in Ahmedabad shortly after take-off.

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53 British passport holders on board, apparently. I assume there's a load of people dead on the ground, as well. Very unfortunate.

 

This looks REAL bad.

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Plane couldn't get any lift.

 

This looks REAL bad.

The district it fell into is quite congested (Meghanigar, you can all use Google Earth). There is what looks like a military area directly in line with the runway. If they're lucky it went into the open areas, if not it flew into the apartment blocks.

 

Reports of pilot only using half the runway, and some other piloting errors.
Looks like bad one with the area it crashed being heavily populated

 

Not an issue if he reached rotational speed. I was in a plane ( turbo prop) yesterday where the pilot took off in about 700’ on a 3500’ runway. Not completely loaded, and we used 1/2 the fuel on the flight in. She had a 32 kt gusting headwind. She was smiling ear to ear. I’m going to guess we were at 1200’ in about 60 seconds.

I’ve been in a shorter takeoff, but the runway had a 8% downhill grade and strong headwinds. Guy used up maybe 10% of the runway- The slope also helps landing fuel tankers.

 

Current temp there is 40C.

ugh

 

Current temp there is 40C.

ugh

Yep. Not enough lift.

 

That and 30% humidity.

Reportedly the first crash ever of a 787.

 

Sadly, every flight into / out of AMD is being watched:

Also reading reports (unconfirmed) of one survivor on board the aircraft and 18 casualties on the ground.

 

You don't suppose ...

Instead of raising the landing gear, pilot accidentally raised the flaps??

Actually, pilot says to First Officer, 'Gear up!', first officer does Flaps up by accident.

 

Yes, I agree. If he hit the flaps up by mistake the gear warning would go off as the flaps passed one of the intermediate positions.

 

Black boxes will tell us what happened.

Reports being posted on another forum suggesting the flight had already been delayed due to various electrical and software issues. One video from a passenger said the pilot wasn't allowing the passengers to deplane.

Not a good situation to be sitting at the gate for 3 hours and no A/C.

You don't suppose the ground crews were dumb enough to NOT have the APU hooked up to run the A/C?

 

A/C is available on the ground via the APU.

 

Reports being posted on another forum suggesting the flight had already been delayed due to various electrical and software issues. One video from a passenger said the pilot wasn't allowing the passengers to deplane.

Air India is under severe financial pressure (you know why). They will cut corners every which way they can. And this might have been the result.

You don't suppose the ground crews were dumb enough to NOT have the APU hooked up to run the A/C?

When your airline is going broke, taking care of the passengers isn't top priority.

 

They recently increased the hours a pilot needs to fly. The pilots are overworked.

Because of the airspace ban, Indian planes take 4 hours extra when flying to Europe and North America.

Who knows if that had any effect?

In other news, Boeing's shares lost 7% of their value.

 

Because of the airspace ban, Indian planes take 4 hours extra when flying to Europe and North America.

Who knows if that had any effect?

Glad I don't fly to Bangalore on a regular basis anymore. . .

Hope his wasn't terrorism. Wouldn't take much to set off another war in that region.

 

Definitely something that will be looked into.

The circle jerk of speculation at the other place is taking root.

 

 

 

 

There is a survival from row 11 that walked away. Incredible

Survivor of Air India crash is seen WALKING AWAY from wreckage

Authorities had said earlier they believed there were no survivors on the Gatwick-bound flight that crashed in Gujarat carrying 242 passengers, including 53 Britons.

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Yep. Cutting corners. Saving money, zero maintenance.

 

Last message from two people on that flight.

 

The video from another angle:

 

This is another Air India flight.

No Air conditioning.

"Hum kiya baher chalay ja-ai?" (Can't we just step outside?)

We have been made hostages on the flight! Isn’t there a rule against it, especially since there are high BP patients & infants on this flight in the midst of Delhi heat minus air conditioning! Truly terrible state of affairs

 

 

 

 

Only survivor. British.

 

Lost an engine on take off.

The plane was delivered in 2014. This is all on Air India, they've had 11 years to eff up the airframe/engines.