Give homeless housing then another 100 homeless show up.tax payers just keep this never ending cycle, going. I guess this makes me the bad guy, Thats OK i can live with that.
How about pay them min wage put them to work, cleaning up the roads and hiway,s.
bus them over to the orchards during harvest time. It would be alot cheaper for the tax payers then the way things are done right now. JMO

 

Interesting. No job training so they afford their own home?

 

Exactly, give a hand up, not a handout. If you give away handouts, then more will come seeking free stuff, that will for the most part not be respected at all.

Offer 30 Million bucks as the beginning of a free scholarship grant foundation for homeles and destitute people, and you will impress me, as well as give somebody the opportunity to better themselves.

 

$30m for housing 100 is 300,000 apiece.

 

It's the same here in Victoria, BC. It's so bad that the other provinces give the homeless a one way bus ticket out here.

Everyone's crying about homeless guys killing themselves with bad heroin. Instead of letting the problem burn itself out, they're giving out everything from free needles to free apartments.

The problem is the homeless don't WANT to work. They want to be homeless and they want to live in the city where they're a nuisance to everyone. There's a farm here on the island that gives homeless people 3 meals a day, a warm place to sleep, addiction counseling and job training. They always have plenty of room for folks. Nobody shows up.

 

Don't give offerings to squirrels, pigeons, or homeless bums.

It only encourages more rat infestations.

 

What about all the homeless vets?

 

Having met a lot of them and knowing that most simply ignore the massive laundry list of programs tailored just for them, I feel no guilt at all for driving right past them.

I've had co-workers at the VA hospitals go way out of their way to offer up personal time, rides, and expertise trying to get these guys to play by some very easy rules to get food, clothing, medical care, jobs, some spending money, decent housing, and skill training.....but the homeless vets just want to cherry pick for a short time so they can squeeze some cash out of the programs and go back to being street bums.

There are a LOT of homeless vet programs and lots of folks trying to help. If every vet got the same level of funding per person that the VA spends on the homeless ones we'd all be fat dumb and happy.

I'm a vet. My advice is to never give a bum claiming to be a vet a thin dime. They are either lying about being a vet or they are a vet who doesn't want help from the VA.

You want to give them something? Scribble the address of the closest VA med center on a piece of paper and give them that instead.

 

Homelessness isn't about a lack of homes. I'm in favor of helping the homeless and good for this guy for trying but I'm afraid it won't help much.

 

You cannot help someone who has no desire to "be helped". Not all of the money in the world will make a whit of difference.

Many, not all, are mentally damaged.

Others have lost all hope and are just waiting to die.

Still more, as has been noted, are just in it for the free ride.

Yet others are hopelessly addicted and will be until death. This is a real problem here in Alaska....

Throwing money at this kind of problem is solving nothing. It is, at best, an attempt to assuage personal guilt.

I do not have that kind of guilt.

People have problems. I have problems. You have problems. My kids have problems.

But the problems of so-called street people are not my problems nor will I make them my problem. Unfortunately for me, the local politicians make it my problem and pick my pocket so they can feel good about themselves.

I will just say that I do not care for the local pols here and let it go at that.

 

I'm all for helping people, but there are two main problems with all this social welfare.

1. As Tovarich_Volk illustrated, the people who get the money don't use it on things that could really help, but on things that benefit themselves, generally by expanding their agency. They like getting more and more responsibility/power/importance.

2. Sometimes the people that these things are intended for don't actually want to improve. I'd be ok with providing BASIC housing for the homeless as long as during that time the homeless person was taking steps to get back on their feet. But it's not meant to be long term.

Same with other forms of public welfare... Instead of giving them an EBT card with $$$ to spend, you can go to a specific place and get basic things... Enough to get ya through, but not enough to keep you wanting to stay on it.

 

I didn't know they had the internet in heaven Zeke.. We probably would have the homeless problems in Portland if it weren't for it being a "Sanctuarity" city but, that's mainly to let the illegals in. The homeless are pretty much 95% poor white trash.. Lot of them have regular day jobs, they just can't afford the rent here.

All the Liberals want to convert unused buildings into homeless dumps.. I mean shelters. They don't care that having a homeless shelter in your neighborhood will destroy property values.

I think most of them spend their days looking at what parads are coming up and who's sponsoring them. If they're sponsored by law abiding Republicans, you can guarantee there's gonna be riots.

I griggin hate this part of the country and as soon as the wife finds a better job, we're headin out.. Where "out" is, I dunno.. She wants to head back to Florida (Gods waiting room) and be near the beaches.. At least the liberals won't be wearing much clothing there.

 

I didn't know they had the internet in heaven Zeke.. We probably would have the homeless problems in Portland if it weren't for it being a "Sanctuarity" city but, that's mainly to let the illegals in. The homeless are pretty much 95% poor white trash.. Lot of them have regular day jobs, they just can't afford the rent here.

All the Liberals want to convert unused buildings into homeless dumps.. I mean shelters. They don't care that having a homeless shelter in your neighborhood will destroy property values.

I think most of them spend their days looking at what parads are coming up and who's sponsoring them. If they're sponsored by law abiding Republicans, you can guarantee there's gonna be riots.

I griggin hate this part of the country and as soon as the wife finds a better job, we're headin out.. Where "out" is, I dunno.. She wants to head back to Florida (Gods waiting room) and be near the beaches.. At least the liberals won't be wearing much clothing there.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is by that first line, but I see where you are going with the rest.

People too poor to pay rent but take a job need to move or be chased out for loitering.

Yes, that seems cruel but the status quo is warping the economy there. Building homeless shelters because rents are too high isn't the solution. If you have unused property then it needs to be converted by private industry for barebones housing. There is profit to be made on slum housing if you remove the restrictive ordinances that make the cost of operating lower rent housing unprofitable.

My city has no problem just slapping up another low rent complex at the edge of town. If Portland can't do that then they have piled up too many zoning restrictions or too many building and maintenance ordinances.

Sure, if a city is locked in size due to geographical features then you might need some artificial rent control for the city's blue collar force. Otherwise you just have to keep laying on new land for new construction.

I know, that's not how your libtards think there. They want their precious park-like looking city. The only real way you keep a growing city looking pretty as a park is by paying everyone a wage that lets them live in the park setting. But even that will be torqued by market forces eventually. Enclaves can be made to look like parks, but not entire cities.

 

Ever since Colorado legalized recreational weed, the cost of housing has gone up, along with the amount of people heading to CO in the warm months and living on the streets.

A One bedroom apartment in a decent suburb will cost over $1200 a month.

Heard about some cities setting up some micro housing or tiny house villages for the homeless. Those cost less than shelters, not counting the land that they sit on.

I wonder why they do not just make some "Factory Towns", where the Company own the houses, stores, bus line and would provide some semi skilled jobs for the homeless than truly do want to come off of the streets. As long as a sewer, water, and power systems could handle the 500 to 1,000 people living in a Town, similar to the Man camps that the oil companies have set up, I do not see why it would not work. It could be a cashless society so the drug heads would not have cash to go buy drugs in a nearby town or city.

Just thinking out loud.

 

$30 Million for 100 people??? Just another "Feel good", "Look at me and what I'm doing" moment. People with money give charitably but probably not more than they can write off their taxes. Lots of this money is being diverted by either admin costs or kick backs. It's why nothing ever changes.

 

It's always amazing to me that people feel homeless should get assistance with housing in the highest rent/cost cities in the country. Move them all to the Dakotas or somewhere that rent is dirt cheap. He'll make all of Detroit a super city for the homeless. There are many that legitimately need help, mental health issues and such. Provide them services, where the money can be stretched further.

It always cracks me up when people make statements about people having a right to love where they want. No, people don't have that right. If you can't afford to live somewhere then that's on you. Even my wife who is more liberal than not, was irritated the other day when some woman on radio was complaining about people not being able to afford to live in San Francisco. Her and I both work good jobs and we couldn't afford to live there either, or San Diego, we don't go whining about it.

Paul Allen ought to buy 100 houses in the abandoned Detroit neighborhoods and fly them all out there.

Red

 

Couple months ago I was volunteering at a public school in N.Philly and was chatting with the school maintenance guy that also does maintenance for a nearby low income housing project.

He was telling me how they had this party/event to recognize some guy that had been living in the housing project for 25 years. I asked "Aren't those homes supposed to be temporary support, why would you celebrate that?"

He simply replied "Exactly.." as he shook his head.

 

We have a serious homeless problem here in Las Vegas. They spend millions trying to fight homelessness here, but as someone else mentioned, the problem is many simply want to be homeless. That's the lifestyle they want to lead and a personal choice they make, and it's not because they don't have alternatives or any help available. What makes me mad is many are claiming to be veterans who are clearly not veterans. You'll see a guy standing with a gas can claiming he's out of gas every day for a week, and when that stops working he'll show up on the same corner with a veteran sign. If they want my money, they can work for it!

 

What makes me mad is many are claiming to be veterans who are clearly not veterans. You'll see a guy standing with a gas can claiming he's out of gas every day for a week, and when that stops working he'll show up on the same corner with a veteran sign. If they want my money, they can work for it!

How can you tell who is a veteran? What makes them different?

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-.../05/10/527801805/new-amazon-building-in-seattle-will-include-a-homeless-shelter

New amazon building to include homeless shelter.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCbLtdm9JfM

 

This is a tough issue to handle. We do have a lot of compassionate people who want to help those perceived as less fortunate, impoverished, or just hard on their luck. The Christian in me does acknowledge that I should care for the poor, widows, children and elderly; however, our society has created a victimized, homeless culture and lifestyle (similar to our prison system and culture) that has learned to feed itself off of charity and tax-payer funded entitlements.

I truly feel for those who suffer the more debilitating mental disorders who just can’t function in society. If our charities and governments are going to burn donations and tax-payers’ money, fund institutions for these individuals, adjudicate the mental disorder as a danger to themselves and society and institutionalize them. That does sound harsh, but truly, it’s best for the individual and society; it also avoids normalizing this type of culture.

Unless you’re simply mentally incapable (see my recommendation above), there is absolutely no reason any citizen in this country needs to live homeless for long term; zero reason, period. There are so many programs, charities, churches, and volunteers that are willing to help and they do provide so many opportunities, resources, employment, food handouts, housing programs, rehabilitation programs, etc. I think many forget that many of these homeless people made a conscious decision for their lifestyle. Sure, nobody wants to be homeless, but the more we cater to that lifestyle, the more we rob the dignity, respect, and motivation to improve their situation. Apathy, comfort (relative of course), free “entitlements” and a lost sense of dignity perpetuates the cycle of poverty and homelessness. You can’t break the cycle with money and freebies.

For those that aren’t determined mentally at risk to themselves or others should also be rounded up and placed into a state/federally funded camp. Give them a roof, three hot meals, a bunk and clothing…but the price would be mandatory training and labor. Harvests/gardening, litter pick up in the local cities/roads, basic landscaping, repairs to our roadways, and any other menial labor jobs. Assistance-offers and warnings for initial homelessness; mandatory 12 months for second offense; 24 for the next and life for the fourth offense. Their work should pay for the program or at least the majority of it. Slave labor? Meh, it’s a choice for repeated homelessness. The slaves are the working class now and they shouldn’t be paying for feel-good programs yet still have to deal with the filth, litter, drug addicted environments and increased criminal behavior.

As to our homeless veterans? Again, we have tons of resources, people, programs and funding to help those that truly want it. The only “disabled veteran” I ever felt overwhelmingly compassionate for was a South Korean military veteran who was propped on the corner of a small village street with a donation bucket for money. That gentlemen had no legs, no arms and was blind in one eye from wounds received during the Korean War. He had no means to really care for himself and served his country making sacrifices just short of his life. I don’t have much sympathy for any homeless adult who is still capable of pushing a broom, picking up trash or digging a ditch. Compassion is offering a helping hand, but when their is no effort from those in need, compassion should result in the firm approach of using a stick and carrot.

Now, I do have sympathy for our elderly, widows, children and those temporarily homeless or impoverished from circumstances they couldn’t control…we need a temporary safety net to get them back on their feet and independent if they’re capable. As a displaced resident of Washington, fan of the Seattle Seahawks and Paul Allen, this investment looks great at face value, but it doesn’t address the root cause of homelessness; it just encourages that lifestyle.

ROCK6

 

Jesus said "the poor you will always have with you"

No amount of trying will prove him a liar.

As others have said, it's more than just a lack. There are some people who are just down on their luck, but in my experience those are less common than those who have either chosen the lifestyle, or who have some other mental condition that causes them to be unable to live what we consider normally. The best you could probably do for these people is a halfway house and a psychiatrist

 

Homelessness has become an industry. The charities have made so much money off of it now the greedy local governments are getting in on it (*see Los Angeles). These "charities" keep popping up and have CEO's making big bucks all in the name of helping homeless. Sure they'll go down to the homeless area with some soup and maybe blankets but at quiting time they head home to a nice meal and warm bed without accomplishing a thing. All they do do is cause more homeless to flock to that area for free stuff.

As mentioned earlier local governments are no better. In the city of Santa Ana in CA the city has been given billions of federal dollars over 20 years and their homeless problem has only gotten worse. The mayor also can't explain where any of that money has gone.

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Homelessness has become an industry.

It has also become a useful and powerful tool for the Democrats' politics. Hear anything about the homeless under Obama? No. They had a field day under W, and at election time you will hear about it under Trump. They aren't interested in fixing the problem...it benefits them too much.

 

Nearly all homeless people either suffer from mental health issues and/or substance abuse issues. Almost nobody chooses being homeless because it is an adventure or it is a lifestyle.

 

It's real nice that Paul Allen wants to help a hundred people with $30 mil of his cash.

But here's the problem--most homeless are homeless for reasons other than money. The media always wants to talk about the family where the breadwinner lost their job and they got evicted and are living in their car and all that. And that does happen and is a legitimate point.

And millions of people without jobs have homes...so why not the homeless? Because most homeless are homeless because of drug addiction, or mental illness, or some other similar social ill that keeps them from living by the basic rules of civil society. I was encouraging a homeless person once to go to a local shelter and he said, "No man, I can't do that. They make you pray before you eat and attend worship services." Really? That kind of thing happens all the time.

Putting out the money to house the homeless won't fix the problem. They will be homeless until you fix the underlying problem.