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No water? What about wells and springs and rivers and lakes? (and all this damn snow right now?)
Transportation... older vehicles, bikes, horses, feet
Food ... stores and warehouses will be looted, farmers will farm albeit on a much smaller scale, people will do gardens either on their own or get together with their neighbors or community.

The military has EMP hardened equipment

Yes, alot of people will die but don't be so sure America will no longer exist.

Isn't this one of the SHTF possibilities we prep for?
 
Our CVN's can also provide power to the shore, which in the event of a global thing would leave us, the French and the Russians with mobile power plants, since we are the nations with Nuclear Powered ships capable of providing shore power. Not a lot mind you, but enough to get things up and running.
 
No they don't. Where'd you get that from?
Not sure if you are liberal or conservative...so I'll give you links to both types of news agencies.

Iran: Small Satellite Launched Into Orbit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/iran-small-satellite-launched_n_1253270.html

Iran builds new space center to launch satellites
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/06/02/iran-builds-new-space-center-to-launch-satellites/

{Ooops, this link deleted because it was about South Korea's launch.}

N. Korea launches satellite, in defiance of sanctions and pressure from U.S., allies http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/for-us-and-allies-n-korean-poses-threat-thats-difficult-to-curb/2012/12/12/a4411bde-4443-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e_story.html

Where ya been, buddy? :D:
 
Thank you big time

The solution to protecting our electrical grid and therefore ourselves lies with the American citizens raising HELL with the government. Force the issue. Need money? Take it from the people that hate us like Pakistan and Egypt amongst many others. If the USA is going to aide somebody let it be the people of this nation.
 
Not sure if you are liberal or conservative...so I'll give you links to both types of news agencies.

Iran: Small Satellite Launched Into Orbit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/iran-small-satellite-launched_n_1253270.html

Iran builds new space center to launch satellites
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/06/02/iran-builds-new-space-center-to-launch-satellites/

{Ooops, this link deleted because it was about South Korea's launch.}

N. Korea launches satellite, in defiance of sanctions and pressure from U.S., allies http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/for-us-and-allies-n-korean-poses-threat-thats-difficult-to-curb/2012/12/12/a4411bde-4443-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e_story.html

Where ya been, buddy? :D:
Iran has limited success with maybe getting things into temporary orbit using 60+ year old technology, they have nothing in polar orbit or any stable orbit whatsoever, nor any ability to launch any attack from space. North Korea can't even get their crap out of the atmosphere without it exploding and scattering debris all over the Pacific. You're really giving these people way too much credit.

Edit: Not sure how it changes anything I've said, but to answer your query, I'm conservative.
 
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Justice with Judge Jeanie is on @ 12 on east coast and 9 pacific….


Original post is a bit skewed as the info within the Judge Jeanie show title suggests nothing about EMPs within the TV Guide…


How did you get your info shootmor?
I think two threads got merged which makes it confusing. Her focus is on grid vulnerability.
 
Iran has limited success with maybe getting things into temporary orbit using 60+ year old technology, they have nothing in polar orbit or any stable orbit whatsoever, nor any ability to launch any attack from space. North Korea can't even get their crap out of the atmosphere without it exploding and scattering debris all over the Pacific. You're really giving these people way too much credit.

Edit: Not sure how it changes anything I've said, but to answer your query, I'm conservative.
N. Korea had a successful satellite launch last year after a failure. No idea what was on the satellite. Kim J Un proclaimed it as a "giant punch at the USA" or something like that.
 
Iran has limited success with maybe getting things into temporary orbit using 60+ year old technology, they have nothing in polar orbit or any stable orbit whatsoever, nor any ability to launch any attack from space. North Korea can't even get their crap out of the atmosphere without it exploding and scattering debris all over the Pacific. You're really giving these people way too much credit.

Edit: Not sure how it changes anything I've said, but to answer your query, I'm conservative.

the abundance of knowledge and data available via the internet these days is a game changer.

any country with enough will power could possess as much advanced technology that the US/Chinese/Russian Gov can upload onto their servers………………………!
 
the abundance of knowledge and data available via the internet these days is a game changer.

any country with enough will power could possess as much advanced technology that the US/Chinese/Russian Gov can upload onto their servers………………………!
Then why don't they? Iran and N Korea are 50 years behind in space technology and weapons technology. Why?
 
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The guide on TV says 9 pm eastern tonight about emps.
I was born in a farm house in SW MO in 1938, I went to school in MO and Calif, traveled over a good bit of the world, have farmed, worked in factories, spent 40 years as a real estate broker, live in the country now, spend about 12 hours a day doing research mostly on the internet. I have always been interested in survival issues.
I may be mistaken about the issue but I think I recently read on the web that both Iran and North Korea have satellites in polar orbits. It shocked me that they both did.
There will be no infrastructure to deliver power from any source.
Wells are pumped with electricity. If you don't have a 5 inch well bucket and a lot of rope you have a worthless well. Where are you going to get your garden seed?
Old vehicles might run but they need fuel.
ALL food storage structures including grocery stores will be stripped .
A minute proportion of the populace lives near water. If they do get there it will be afoot with no food.
It is estimated that less than 10 % of the population will be alive in 1 year
 
N. Korea had a successful satellite launch last year after a failure. No idea what was on the satellite. Kim J Un proclaimed it as a "giant punch at the USA" or something like that.

Which leads me to ponder: when will the wars begin within space? or have they been long underway? To think that America, China, or Russia does not possess the ability to destroy other satellites is just flat out ignorant….

There is so much manipulation going on on our planet and within our solar system at an unprecedented rate of speed that it would make the paranoid type quiver themselves to sleep…

and going back to an EMP bomb, I think a cyber attack on our grid would pose much more of a realistic threat… Any joe schmoe geek with serious knowledge could launch the attack from their basement, where an EMP bomb would take some serious man power to successfully accomplish



The guide on TV says 9 pm eastern tonight about emps.
I was born in a farm house in SW MO in 1938, I went to school in MO and Calif, traveled over a good bit of the world, have farmed, worked in factories, spent 40 years as a real estate broker, live in the country now, spend about 12 hours a day doing research mostly on the internet. I have always been interested in survival issues.
I may be mistaken about the issue but I think I recently read on the web that both Iran and North Korea have satellites in polar orbits. I shocked me that they both did.
There will be no infrastructure to deliver power from any source.
Wells are pumped with electricity. If you don't have a 5 inch well bucket and a lot of rope you have a worthless well. Where are you going to get your garden seed?
Old vehicles might run but they need fuel.
ALL food storage structures including grocery stores will be stripped .
A minute proportion of the populace lives near water. If they do get there it will be afoot with no food.
It is estimated that less than 10 % of the population will be alive in 1 year
All of the talk of "North Korea and Iran" possessing the ability to launch an EMP attack makes me think about all of the talk of Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction, which turned out to later be BS, and more of a deception tactic…

is there a deception tactic being worked up in the media to use on us americans so a future war can be justified? There HAS been a LOT of talk of North Korea and Iran in the Main Stream News lately…

watch what this genius had to say (back in 2008!) then you will begin to understand a bit more:

PART 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

PART 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-KJCMWcoms
 
Which leads me to ponder: when will the wars begin within space? or have they been long underway? To think that America, China, or Russia does not possess the ability to destroy other satellites is just flat out ignorant….

There is so much manipulation going on on our planet and within our solar system at an unprecedented rate of speed that it would make the paranoid type quiver themselves to sleep…

and going back to an EMP bomb, I think a cyber attack on our grid would pose much more of a realistic threat… Any joe schmoe geek with serious knowledge could launch the attack from their basement, where an EMP bomb would take some serious man power to successfully accomplish





All of the talk of "North Korea and Iran" possessing the ability to launch an EMP attack makes me think about all of the talk of Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction, which turned out to later be BS, and more of a deception tactic…

is there a deception tactic being worked up in the media to use on us americans so a future war can be justified? There HAS been a LOT of talk of North Korea and Iran in the Main Stream News lately…

watch what this genius had to say (back in 2008!) then you will begin to understand a bit more:

PART 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

PART 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-KJCMWcoms
N Korea test fired several nukes last year. They are not the same as Iraq.
 
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