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Curious if you would begin routinely carrying at all times, or likely not?

If you might, what would YOUR criteria be for doing so?

-Only asking, as this thread is "Advice on shtf handgun".
Where I live and in the local area here, I don't feel a need to carry a weapon. I've lived here since 1987. What would cause me to carry? If delivering supplies such as food, fuel, a generator, or other items to family members in Florida after a hurricane...yes definitely. Most Floridians are not native to Florida and not well prepared for longer term loss of power, etc. Northerners are not polite or very prepared for local weather from my experience. Another reason would be civil unrest in my area...but that hasn't been an issue yet. I could go on and on with hypothetical scenarios...no real need to though.
 
If you don't feel threatened where you are I wish you good health. I think to be realistic you also need to look at crime stats in your area and do a threat assessment. You cannot pick the time when you may need to defend yourself. I don't know what your life experience is, but mine suggests that anyone who thinks that in America today they are safe is kidding themselves. The police have no duty to protect the individual and can only investigate the crime after it has occurred, after you have already been robbed or assaulted.
I have actually looked at crime stats for my county. They're lower out here than in town...normal. Law enforcement here has a 100% overall clearance rate for crimes that are committed by the way. Latest stats show a 1 in 50,000 chance a resident would be victim of a crime.
 
Handguns are almost useless. Very limited range, very limited impact, very limited. Go to pawnshops anf get a long barrelled .22 revolver. Then buy a load of .22 hollow point ammo. Great for rabbits and squirrels, great for packs of feral dogs from a tree. Great for feral humans too. Headshots to all, you will still easily carry the remaining several hundred rounds of ammo.

A better question is: SHTF rifle???
 
Handguns are almost useless. Very limited range, very limited impact, very limited. Go to pawnshops anf get a long barrelled .22 revolver. Then buy a load of .22 hollow point ammo. Great for rabbits and squirrels, great for packs of feral dogs from a tree. Great for feral humans too. Headshots to all, you will still easily carry the remaining several hundred rounds of ammo.

A better question is: SHTF rifle???
So .22 rimfire handguns are more useful than centerfire caliber handguns? Very limited impact? I wonder why law enforcement doesn't use .22 rimfire weapons? I've used .22 long rifle and .357 magnum for feral dogs. Luckily I didn't have to wound a large dog with the .22 revolver I was carrying when hiking in New Mexico...2 instances. Warning shots worked both times with my Ruger single action revolver.

The one time I did have to shoot a feral dog pack leader was here in Georgia and I used a 4" S&W 586 with a single 125 grain JHP round. The bullet entered the left side of the dog's chest, broke a rib going in and broke a rib on the offside exiting. The dog spun around and dropped dead. You could look into the fist sized exit wound and a lot of what was in the dog was blown into a spray out into the weeds on the bullet exit side. The neighbor who helped me put the large dog...a chow mix into a large yard leaf bag estimated 90ish pounds of dead dog.

The pack had been roaming the area killing cats and other small dogs. I love dogs. But this pack had been eyeing my at the time 18 month old daughter who I was playing with in our front yard. The dogs were hiding in the weeds in the vacant property next to us. No warning shots. The round I used was a handload and actually not a full power powder charge behind the Sierra 125 grain JHP slug. I used a way less than max charge of Win 231 since the normal Win 296 magnum powder is hard on revolver forcing cones. That centerfire handgun sure seemed to work well. It was the primary home defense weapon also.

I've never had a misfire with my centerfire handloads to be honest. I have experienced several dead primers with Geco 9mm ball ammo. I also have experienced more than a handful of dud rimfire ammo over the years. This was always bulk .22 long rifle.

I think folks in bear country might have different opinions too.
 
A factor to consider for such a question would be that even with the ammo scarcity, hollowpoint handgun bullets are even more scarce as a percentage. More likely that the cartridge you actually come home with will be have a round nose bullet. For me, I need any round nosed bullets to be at least a 45 caliber for me to trust it.
 
It doesn't matter what the caliber is, if you shoot them in the right places, repeatedly, until they are down and out, they all will work.

A near miss with a 45 will bring about the same result as a near miss in the same spot with a 9mm. A good hit with either will bring the same result as well.
 
It doesn't matter what the caliber is, if you shoot them in the right places, repeatedly, until they are down and out, they all will work.

A near miss with a 45 will bring about the same result as a near miss in the same spot with a 9mm. A good hit with either will bring the same result as well.
Caliber matters with larger 4 legged critters.
 
Maybe, maybe not. Still have to shoot everything in the right places, and keep doing it until they stop.

That boy who shot that brown bear, did it with a 9mm and a single stack at that.

Not that thats what Id want to do, but if you can shoot. If you cant, its not going to matter what the caliber is. :)

I wouldn't have any problem using my 9mm fmj practice rounds in my carry guns if I had to. I think people went over-penetration liability crazy for defensive use.
 
Maybe, maybe not. Still have to shoot everything in the right places, and keep doing it until they stop.

That boy who shot that brown bear, did it with a 9mm and a single stack at that.

Not that thats what Id want to do, but if you can shoot. If you cant, its not going to matter what the caliber is. :)

I wouldn't have any problem using my 9mm fmj practice rounds in my carry guns if I had to. I think people went over-penetration liability crazy for defensive use.
I would say an individual shooting a bear with a 9mm probably considered himself quite lucky. I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't want to attempt it twice.
 
A factor to consider for such a question would be that even with the ammo scarcity, hollowpoint handgun bullets are even more scarce as a percentage. More likely that the cartridge you actually come home with will be have a round nose bullet. For me, I need any round nosed bullets to be at least a 45 caliber for me to trust it.
I assume you don't reload...but maybe you do. I recently traded away a few thousand 9mm ball and JHP projectiles. I figured I should inventory my remaining components and low and behold...found an unopened box of a good quantity of 9mm JHP projectiles. Must have been in the stash 10 years or so. I'm still good on ball and JHP...and just received 1000 more empty but fully processed ready to load 9mm brass the other day....relatively normal price too.
 
I have never needed a firearm "on" on me 24/7 to be quite honest. One person telling another person how to live in a situation they know nothing about is quite curious. You advice is your opinion....only. Thanks for your....opinion. Curious also why you feel the need to be armed at all times in your own home. Paranoid...or different personal experiences?
I'm in my 60's and have needed to retrieve a firearm for defensive purposes several times. I wasn't wearing a firearm in those cases...it all ended well. Now hiking...different story and carrying a firearm protected me from feral dog packs several times.
I’ll say from 30 years in the military, the fact is, if you don’t carry and handle firearms routinely, chances are you’re going to lose it, violate the standard gun safety rules, or have a negligent discharge when you finally have to have it on you daily. Sure, the other fact is many live their lives without ever needing a firearm; others die in the street as young teens. Environment and certain cultures impact the threat more than anything. That doesn’t change the fact that lack of routine, practice, developing certain (positive) habits often leads to accidents when it comes to firearms.

The military is a great example. Most Soldiers who are not Infantry or certain combat arms only handle their rifle or sidearm once or twice a year for qualification. They don’t carry it every day, it’s locked up in the armory. Makes sense for garrison operations; but we don’t do that in combat. Even on the larger bases, Soldiers were directed to carry their rifle or pistol in Condition 3 (magazine inserted, no round in the chamber); same condition when flying. Sounds safe, but we ironically had dozens of ND’s from most of the support troops uncomfortable with the daily manual of arms. Heading out on a convoy or mission: Condition 1, chamber a round. RTB, and you go back to Condition 3. I hated the complexity as it caused a lot Soldiers trouble because they didn’t routinely handle firearms back home when on base; there was no need, but when that need became part of the mission protocol, they lacked the habits and routine of handling firearms. It’s not the military either, it happens in law enforcement all the time as I’ve read my share of reports. Now, not to bash “civilians” as many who take CCW seriously as the do their training are often more proficient than a majority of military and LE, but most aren’t not as proficient as they think they are. When the day or time comes you need to carry 24/7, chances are those people will have a much higher percentage of negligent discharges. It’s not an opinion, it’s a well-studied fact.

Should I even mention the number of UCMJ punitive actions taken from Soldiers not used to always having a rifle on them? M4’s were found in Porto-Johns/latrines, gyms, Green Bean coffee joints, dining facilities, left in vehicles, etc. Not developing and practicing good habits usually resulted in poor habits.

So, I won’t address the defensive aspect of always carrying your handgun, but there is enough data to support the advantages of making routine firearms carry/handling a habit-forming practice. If your environment is safe enough to not need to is irrelevant to that fact; your opinion about not needing to is based on the fact you haven’t needed to. That’s a personal choice, but I have done dozens of investigations as to what happens when you don’t and all of a sudden you need to.

ROCK6
 
I’ll say from 30 years in the military, the fact is, if you don’t carry and handle firearms routinely, chances are you’re going to lose it, violate the standard gun safety rules, or have a negligent discharge when you finally have to have it on you daily. Sure, the other fact is many live their lives without ever needing a firearm; others die in the street as young teens. Environment and certain cultures impact the threat more than anything. That doesn’t change the fact that lack of routine, practice, developing certain (positive) habits often leads to accidents when it comes to firearms.

The military is a great example. Most Soldiers who are not Infantry or certain combat arms only handle their rifle or sidearm once or twice a year for qualification. They don’t carry it every day, it’s locked up in the armory. Makes sense for garrison operations; but we don’t do that in combat. Even on the larger bases, Soldiers were directed to carry their rifle or pistol in Condition 3 (magazine inserted, no round in the chamber); same condition when flying. Sounds safe, but we ironically had dozens of ND’s from most of the support troops uncomfortable with the daily manual of arms. Heading out on a convoy or mission: Condition 1, chamber a round. RTB, and you go back to Condition 3. I hated the complexity as it caused a lot Soldiers trouble because they didn’t routinely handle firearms back home when on base; there was no need, but when that need became part of the mission protocol, they lacked the habits and routine of handling firearms. It’s not the military either, it happens in law enforcement all the time as I’ve read my share of reports. Now, not to bash “civilians” as many who take CCW seriously as the do their training are often more proficient than a majority of military and LE, but most aren’t not as proficient as they think they are. When the day or time comes you need to carry 24/7, chances are those people will have a much higher percentage of negligent discharges. It’s not an opinion, it’s a well-studied fact.

Should I even mention the number of UCMJ punitive actions taken from Soldiers not used to always having a rifle on them? M4’s were found in Porto-Johns/latrines, gyms, Green Bean coffee joints, dining facilities, left in vehicles, etc. Not developing and practicing good habits usually resulted in poor habits.

So, I won’t address the defensive aspect of always carrying your handgun, but there is enough data to support the advantages of making routine firearms carry/handling a habit-forming practice. If your environment is safe enough to not need to is irrelevant to that fact; your opinion about not needing to is based on the fact you haven’t needed to. That’s a personal choice, but I have done dozens of investigations as to what happens when you don’t and all of a sudden you need to.

ROCK6
Quoted for truth...

People should make their own assessments for their own personal needs and environment, but what ROCK6 said can't be stressed enough if or when it becomes necessary to have a firearm on one's person at all times.

I've seen people in the military handling firearms who are not used to handling them because they spend most of their time in garrison than in the field with them and it's scary.

A person needs a certain amount of fear drilled into them should they become separated from their weapon before they begin to practice a certain way of thinking....call it firearm mindfulness....in 1992 14 weeks at Ft Benning will get someone learned...friggin rubber duckies lol.
 
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I'm about the buy a new handgun for HD/SHTF. My current option is a ruger american compact 9mm. I've noticed most people say you want a full size but it's fairly similar in size to the glock 19 which is considered and compact and is fairly common in said rolls. I just want to make sure I'm making the right choice by buying it and not waiting out
(I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR IM NOT A NOVICE SHOOTER WITH MOST COMMON FIREARMS IE. SHOTGUNS,RIFLES,AND HANDGUNS THIS WONT BE MY FIRST HANDGUN JUST MY SHTF/HD ONE UNTIL I GET A HIGHER BUDGET) caps just to get attention not trying to be rude just clarifying
If ya never shot the handgun you're thinking about buying then my advice is rent one and spin the wheels. I own no full size handguns, they are all compact ie G-19, Walther PPQ-M2 etc. I don't like sub-compacts as I have monster meat hooks and they are too small for my hands

If it were me I'd just buy a compact handgun, you're gonna get varying opinions on whether it should be full size or compact...Good Luck!
 
I "reloaded" some 12 ga with split shot fishing weights. Dumped out the 7 or 8 shot, and put in 12 sinkers. Homemade #2!

But steel ball bearings are a much less expensive. Think that would be really hard on my barrel? Probably ball bearings are much harder than steel used in shotshells. Think using steel is a bad idea?
A VERY bad idea! "Steel shot" is iron and still hard enough that requires special wads that are Much thicker than wads meant for lead shot. Ball bearings are steel and much, much harder still IOW hard enough to ruin your SG in short order. There are of course other reasons (and safety concerns) as well.
 
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A VERY bad idea! "Steel shot" is iron and still hard enough that requires special wads that are Much thicker than wads meant for lead shot. Ball bearings are steel and much, much harder still IOW hard enough to ruin your SG in short order. There are of course other reasons (and safety concerns) as well.
Yeah, I've pretty much given up on the homemade buck idea. Didn't think about thicker wads. I'll just practice with field loads, and conserve the small amount of buckshot I have. I neglected to plan ahead in this particular case.
 
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