[matty86suk]

You'd hope so!! Those police are nothing more than hired thugs, supporting the corrupt politicians, who are in turn puppets of the greedy international bankers.
These bankers are the ones responsible for world markets crashing.

You reap what you sow!

Wow...wishing harm to someone doing their duty...you think these cops want to be there?? They just want to keep their jobs like the rest of us working stiffs...out of touch guys like you will be the first to parish when the SHTF...

 

[Declan]

i will bump this thread after x-mas, when no collapsed has happened....just so everyone here can see what a sentationlist fear mongerer you are.

I guess that's a no on the money bet?

If you're still in Greece in the New Year, you might not have power and/or internet to bump this thread.

 

[paintballarmsdealer]

I guess that's a no on the money bet?

If you're still in Greece in the New Year, you might not have power and/or internet to bump this thread.

You mighht have to bump it for them, The honor system

 

[Texas Fire]

I don't know guys, whats happening in Greece, and what happened in Egypt, and elsewhere could very easily happen here. I'm no expert, but it seems it starts in and around major cities. If this indeed is a common denominator, and aside of the bulk of unaware people, then it may well be a concentrated effort by 'people unknown' to collapse multiple countries for a common goal.
just sayin...

 

[Doc_Shane]

Greek financial reform insufficient-Situation extreme

Guess what this means pumpkin, especially to those people on the streets ? It means no hope and what do people without hope do?

They vote Democrat...................or at least here they do.

Maybe we should give them Obama, Pelosi, and Reid to solve their problems with a hand out or two.

 

[willow]

They vote Democrat...................or at least here they do.

Maybe we should give them Obama, Pelosi, and Reid to solve their problems with a hand out or two.

I'll pay their airfare!

 

[oxi]

Ignorance, you're in it!

i live here, how are you going to tell me otherwise?

What is happening in athens, in respect to the rioting, doesnt reflect the entire country. A few thousand even 10's of thousands of people, dont reflect the entire populace of a country.

We just had a peaceful demonstration here in pirgos a few days ago. No tear gas, no broken bottles, no injuries......Imagine that.

You see the news headlines "greece in choas" "greece plagued by rioting" "GREECE SHTF!!!!!!!!" You are dumb enough to buy into the crap. While the rest of the country is doing no such thing.

you may return to your ignorant place now.

When about half of the country lives in Athens, better think twice...

 

[oxi]

not really, i just spent 6 weeks there again this year, and i do so every year. syntagma square is where "riots" are allowed. the first week i was there the taxi cab drivers were "rioting", the last week i was there the dentists were "rioting". he's right....it's nothing new.

it makes GREAT headlines, but do you really believe that 200 riot police could contain " over 100,000 rioters"......honestly? they're throwing water bottles, screaming, and pushing over bicycle racks being used as barricades. some of the unrest has spread to the monasteraiki area, which is the tourist shopping area. there HAS been some looting there, which is a first....however the tourist season is over in Sept. most of the looting seems to be opportunistic and not part of an organized protest like the syntagma square situation.

i know you're buying into what you're seeing and reading, but it's not happening anywhere else in Greece than syntagma square and surrounding area. The only other disruption is trash is not being picked up in Athens. you klnow why this didn't pick back up until September and October? Because the entire govt (and all office buildings) shuts down for the month of August. all the workers get rested up in the country so they can come back to work and be full of rage.

It's not that the government just shuts down in August, they celebrate the second biggest holiday in Greece aside from Easter and that is the Annuciation of the Virgin Mary on August 15th...

 

[oxi]

Do you guys even remember November 17, 1973?

AMX-30 battle tank that struck down the front gate of the school:

"While the physical collapse of the junta as a government was immediately caused by the Cyprus debacle, its ideological collapse was triggered by the 1973 Athens Polytechnic uprising. The uprising at the Polytechneion was the event that discredited the military government most and acted as a key catalyst for its eventual demise by exposing the internal contradictions and stresses of the regime thus destroying the myth of the political cohesion of the junta and, therefore, irreparably damaging the political credibility of the "Ethnosotirios Epanastasis" and its message."

"On the early hours of Saturday, 17 November 1973 Papadopoulos sent the army to suppress the student strike and sit-in of the "Free Besieged" (Ελεύθεροι Πολιορκημένοι), as the students called themselves, at the National Technical University of Athens which had commenced on November 14. Shortly after 03:00 am and under almost complete cover of darkness, an AMX 30 tank crashed through the rail gate of the Athens Polytechnic with subsequent loss of life. The army also occupied Syntagma Square and for at least that day. Even the sidewalk cafes were closed."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_military_junta_of_1967-1974

These students that led the uprising eventually led to the downfall of the U.S. backed military dictatorship that ruled over Greece during that time...

The Greeks all remeber this episode and with that success, their continuing efforts could pay off with the removal of the government in power today. The question is who will blink first?

Greece has a history of deploying Army troops and tanks at Syntagma, could it happen again?

Remember Greece's military are mostly conscripts, thus more loyal to the protesters cause?

Police forces are the dogs of the elite in power but it changes when the military enters the picture...

 

[Declan]

I will make you a money bet that the Greek government collapses by Xmas (possibly sooner)..

i will bump this thread after x-mas, when no collapsed has happened....just so everyone here can see what a sentationlist fear mongerer you are.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news to you guys in Greece but it looks like only a miracle will pull you out of this now. And I am not a sensationalist. I just threw away my rose colored glasses and my normalcy bias. There is no recovery possible. The whole system has to collapse and be rebuilt differently. It's heavily flawed.

Reuters-Greece faces meltdown after bailout vote bombshell

ATHENS, Nov 1 (Reuters) - The Greek government faced possible collapse on Tuesday as ruling party lawmakers demanded Prime Minister George Papandreou resign

UK Guardian-Greek government on the brink of collapse

Tuesday 1 November 2011-The Greek government appears to be on the point of collapse after prime minister George Papandreou's call for a referendum on Greece's massive bailout triggered a sell-off on world stock markets.

Sprach Analyst-Greek Government Is About To Collapse

I can't quote that one due to Copy Right Terms but a Greek Official told the British Press that it's all over and the Greek government is about to collapse.



Greek Government Could Collapse Within Hours


This is coming on top of China's declaration over the weekend and, IMO, spells disaster for Greece. Portugal Ireland and Italy are holding their breath for said miracle really hard, as they are next in line.

China won't be Eurozone's savior

 

[Survivalguy72]

SHTF? Looks like a typical cycle in Europe.

 

[Bearack]

A referendum of the bail out spells doom for the Greek economy. The sheeple will never vote for more austerity cuts so the prime minister has spelled doom for the entire West and China has now pushed the car off the cliff.

 

[kenny256]

Man did that happen fast, just all coming down.....

Im taking this as a good learning example of what could go down here in the US

 

[Kansas Terri]

Man did that happen fast, just all coming down.....

Im taking this as a good learning example of what could go down here in the US

So am I. Greece is just a little farther along than we are.

If they can pull out of their trouble, very good and we might eventually copy them!

 

[koan]

Consider that these same people that robbed us are now putting hteir money in the USA
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/01/markets-bonds-idUSN1E7A00SS20111101

For all the "World Bank" and "World Currency" seems we are still the better investment currently.

So someone has faith in us =)

 

[devron]

Man did that happen fast, just all coming down.....

Im taking this as a good learning example of what could go down here in the US

Unlikely to happen here since we aren't hamstrung by other countries printing our money. The Euro was bad news from the start. Surprise, surprise the countries who can print the Euro have the healthiest economies.

Brits may have their own issues, but at least they were smart enough to steer clear of that.

 

[kenny256]

Unlikely to happen here since we aren't hamstrung by other countries printing our money. The Euro was bad news from the start. Surprise, surprise the countries who can print the Euro have the healthiest economies.

Brits may have their own issues, but at least they were smart enough to steer clear of that.

Actually it could happen, all the world has to do use another form of curancey over the Dollar and then YES we are done for. Plus we have money on the line as well in the EU.

 

[koan]

Seems like the Great Depression (what choice did you have?) toughened people up, consider the obesity, narcissism, general asshatery going on around us now, and maybe a little bit of "tough times" would be good for us.

Clear out the chaff.

I honestly think someones been holding back the economy, if a repub gets in office "suddenly" everything will get better, if Obama does another 4, I think it will get better too, they don't want to hold back their cash flow any more and cash comes before party lines.

This country is still top dog, when it's all said and done investors are bailing out of the EU and putting their money back into the USA which indicates to me that the PTB still think Americas the better investment.
Eventually China will run it, but they are going to have some serious growing pains, you can't give people in a communist country "a taste" of capitalism, they are infected, communist China will change and there will be turmoil.

I have faith in this country and there are still a lot of quality people here, it just seems like they are all idiots =)

NEW YORK, Nov 1 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasuries prices climbed for a third straight day on Tuesday as investors sought safe-haven U.S. debt after Greece's surprise call for a referendum on the latest deal for aid from the European Union.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/01/markets-bonds-idUSN1E7A00SS20111101

 

[squidy]

Wow, I didn't realise that by "SHTF" a lot of people just meant "unorganized rioting". You know, you can avoid riots. All you have to do is stay inside (or stay out of the city) until they stop. Which shouldn't be too hard even if the only prep you have is a crate full of canned beans.

I agree, this is not going to be the end of the government. Governments may CHANGE sometimes, but it is incredibly rare for an entire country to just fall into universal chaos and nobody does anything about it. Stabilization is inevitable.

 

[hak]

its funny the PM's party has socialist in the title... and the people aren't happy with their imposed 'cuts'. when i heard there was a 50% writedown on debt i crapped my pants. if i was a bondholder i would be furious.

the danes have an opinion: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/01/us-finland-greece-idUSTRE7A010N20111101 ie: if the people veto the greek gov't agreement, he wants them out of the EU.

there's another article i cant find now with the germans feeling the same way.

i mean, wouldn't you be ****ed if this country, that lied about its finances to get into the EU http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4058327.stm is now crapping the bed b/c they won't take cuts to balance their stuff? socialism at work.