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This gentleman is repeating what the WHO said this morning. Scary as hell. 1 out of 5 will need intensive care.

 
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saying 1 in 5 need intensive care is little off. Last i saw
80% will be fine at home.
15 % will need to go to the hospital
5% will go to intensive care (1 in 20)

I think they're getting 1 in 5 from the percent of people who go to the hospital and not counting people who don't get the virus to start off with.

Of these the older(50+), smokers and preexisting conditions are more at risk. If you on the older side, be ready to stay home sooner and longer.
 

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Everyone says the China numbers are of -- and considering that commie bunch, I agree.

But, as of today, the non-China fatality rate across 29 countries and territories is 1%.

I'm not saying it isn't a concern, but we need some perspective. Criminy a month ago we had people on here saying because 1 person in a US hospital had it they would have the whole hospital infected within days. :rolleyes:

BTW, the Spanish flu had a death rate of 20% -- Wu Flu is not even close.

"While estimates of case-fatality (CF) rates for past influenza pandemics have ranged from about 0.1% (1957 and 1968 pandemics) to 20% (1918 pandemic)...."
 

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This gentleman is repeating what the WHO said this morning. Scary as hell. 1 out of 5 will need intensive care.
That is complete and utter FUD.

Where EXACTLY has the WHO said this? I sure can't find it.

Here's what I COULD find, in regards to America.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html


"....at this time, this virus is NOT currently spreading in the community in the United States."

Here's where I bet the FUD comes from:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-guidance-management-patients.html

"Between 23–32% of hospitalized patients with 2019-nCoV infection and pneumonia have required intensive care for respiratory support."

So IF you get coronavirus, and IF you end up in the hospital, and IF you also get pneumonia while there....THEN 1 in 5 will need intensive care.

But heres the thing...
Here's the TOTAL numbers. Notice....15 people out of the 427 checked so far. That's 15.

Positive for Covid-19 15
Negative 412
Pending§ 52
Total 479

Do you know how many out of 15 people is 1 out of 5?

It's 3. 3 people have required intensive care. Or maybe 4, or 5, the numbers aren't clean.

In the entire country

That's not even a real statistic. Sorry.
Be thankful we don't have socialist or communist medicine.

Yet.
 

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It’s just been the next hyped yearly death flu by everyone. Bad thing is they keep hyping this crap every year and every year it fizzles out. One year it’s not going to fizzle out and no one will be left to believe it.


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It’s just been the next hyped yearly death flu by everyone. Bad thing is they keep hyping this crap every year and every year it fizzles out. One year it’s not going to fizzle out and no one will be left to believe it.


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I really hope you are right. I would love to have lower grocery bills and drug store bills for a while. ;)
 

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It’s just been the next hyped yearly death flu by everyone. Bad thing is they keep hyping this crap every year and every year it fizzles out. One year it’s not going to fizzle out and no one will be left to believe it.


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With the way the Chinese are reacting and our own government evacuating an embassy, it seems this has a good chance to be the "one".
 

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That is complete and utter FUD.

Where EXACTLY has the WHO said this? I sure can't find it.

Here's what I COULD find, in regards to America.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html


"....at this time, this virus is NOT currently spreading in the community in the United States."

Here's where I bet the FUD comes from:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-guidance-management-patients.html

"Between 23–32% of hospitalized patients with 2019-nCoV infection and pneumonia have required intensive care for respiratory support."

So IF you get coronavirus, and IF you end up in the hospital, and IF you also get pneumonia while there....THEN 1 in 5 will need intensive care.

But heres the thing...
Here's the TOTAL numbers. Notice....15 people out of the 427 checked so far. That's 15.

Positive for Covid-19 15
Negative 412
Pending§ 52
Total 479

Do you know how many out of 15 people is 1 out of 5?

It's 3. 3 people have required intensive care. Or maybe 4, or 5, the numbers aren't clean.

In the entire country

That's not even a real statistic. Sorry.
Be thankful we don't have socialist or communist medicine.

Yet.
It's refreshing to encounter a person on a survival forum that puts so much blind trust in the government.

When the CDC has refused to test and then distributes faulty test kits (that should have been caught during development/QC) to the States (in numbers too small to really be of use in any event) it is obvious they have no desire to get an accurate counting of the infected.

They have no idea beyond knowing it's out there and that they can't contain it.
 

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It is currently (and for some time in the future) be impossible to know how deadly the WuFlu is. It may, in fact, be forever impossible, since we don't have, and will never have, good numbers on the number of sick and the number of dead. We will need to have both of those numbers....and when we have government agencies that won't test patients at all unless they meet some magic criteria, it is impossible to get good numbers.
 

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since it's been reported that as much as 60% of people that have been cremated have been those dying at home and i expect were not tested, i think we would have a better rough guesstimate of number/percentage of deaths from this if we had the average number of cremations that have happened over the past 5 years or so from the first of Jan to the end of Feb and compare it to how many have happened so far this year for the city of Wuhan..
 

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since it's been reported that as much as 60% of people that have been cremated have been those dying at home and i expect were not tested, i think we would have a better rough guesstimate of number/percentage of deaths from this if we had the average number of cremations that have happened over the past 5 years or so from the first of Jan to the end of Feb and compare it to how many have happened so far this year for the city of Wuhan..
I was discounting it at first, but when they needed multiple portable incinerators....
 

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I watched a video yesterday about all the crows in the area of concern,
and this evening I noticed that the usual groups of crows that usually fly east are no show.
If birds pick up this virus and carry it home ..............

Another issue I observed is that even if someone survives through the initial event, the attack on the heart will definitely kill if re-infected.
Ther are drugs to treat the victim with the virus, not drugs to prevent it.
 

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It is currently (and for some time in the future) be impossible to know how deadly the WuFlu is. It may, in fact, be forever impossible, since we don't have, and will never have, good numbers on the number of sick and the number of dead. We will need to have both of those numbers....and when we have government agencies that won't test patients at all unless they meet some magic criteria, it is impossible to get good numbers.
the cruise ship will be a good test.
 

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the cruise ship will be a good test.
No.... the design of the cruise ship will favor the virus...


enclosed spaces, shared ventilation system....
 

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It’s just been the next hyped yearly death flu by everyone. Bad thing is they keep hyping this crap every year and every year it fizzles out. One year it’s not going to fizzle out and no one will be left to believe it.


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Do tell. The chicoms claim "only" some 2000 deaths (of population of 1.2B). This is comparable to 13deaths in a population of 10,000,000 (the state of Mich). Think the state of Michigan would substantially/totally shut down (or even notice) over 13 deaths?
 
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