[ForgedInTheFlame]

If tensions rise to the point of no return (civil war or similar), those of us who would gather as an organized force and hold the line, whether the line is in the wood line or on Broadway street - for our families, our values and our constitution - will be be remembered as patriots? Or traitors?

They say one man's patriot is another man's terrorist.

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[ECF]

I honestly have no idea how to answer that question.

 

[A_SonofLiberty]

Depends on whether we win or lose.

 

[da_wanderer]

Depends on whether we win or lose.

Agreed. The winner will write the history books.

 

[rotafire]

Revolutionaries are successful rebels, and rebels are unsuccessful revolutionaries.

 

[Pitbull_Dallas]

Depends on whether we win or lose.

^^^This. The winner defines the loser and controls how history is written.

 

[Inazone]

The patriots of previous generations either didn't have enough kids, or the kids they had somehow grew up believing that the wrong side won the Cold War . . . and maybe even WW2. Instead of communism being seen as a threat, it is somehow being seen as the one true path to "civilized" society.

I'm starting to seriously think that the only way America as we know it survives is if some segment of recent/future immigrants actually believe in what this country was founded on and vote that way, as opposed to voting in line with the same policies that turned their own homelands into socialist cesspools.

 

[tortminder]

This will not end well

Americans used to march to defend their rights. Now they are marching to have government take their rights away, and making excuses and explanations for the tyrants who try to seize it. Our liberty has been held hostage by one ideology masquerading as two political parties for so long now - It's like watching an entire national population with Stockholm Syndrome.

Those who don't read history are doomed to repeat it.

Those who DO read history are doomed to sit by screaming at the top of our lungs while those who don't read history are doomed to repeat it it anyway.

Look at the "spontaneous" demonstrations against the 2nd amendment, consider how well funded and well organized they are.

Consider that the "street troops" are the little zombies that are the result of 50 years of programming started in the mid-60's.

Consider that the mass media, movies, "music" and "celebrities" are following the same basic script.

This will not end well.

---tort-- :taped::taped::taped:

 

[Mountain]

I think as with most wars, the winners will be viewed as patriots and the defeated group will be labled traitors...

So your label would likely be determined by which group you support and the success or lack therof of that group.

 

[Pitbull_Dallas]

If such an event were to occur (and I hope it never happens) it should happen at the state level, with the State forming a militia/army. Just got through reading Federalist paper 46 that someone was so kind to post. Now, that becomes problematic if the state is in lock step with the federal on the tyranny/communist part.. Then all bets are off. If you're in a free state, then there's a chance.

 

[ForgedInTheFlame]

If such an event were to occur (and I hope it never happens) it should happen at the state level, with the State forming a militia/army. Just got through reading Federalist paper 46 that someone was so kind to post. Now, that becomes problematic if the state is in lock step with the federal on the tyranny/communist part.. Then all bets are off. If you're in a free state, then there's a chance.

This is assuming we don't have the backing of any state of the union and we are left to defend ourselves and what we believe in, or be essentially enslaved by tyrants.

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[ForgedInTheFlame]

Would any state of the union defy the federal government realistically? Even places like Texas, Wyoming, or AZ I think would succumb / surrender to Washington if we were on the verge of bloodshed.

This is why I think if it does go down, we the people are left to our own choices with no established state of union providing support, logistical or otherwise.

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[MeTarzan]

It is an independent personality problem that most of us here have. We want to define the problem, fight for what is right, put an end to it and get back living free and happily ever after ASAP. The commie element among us thinks way more long term. They know a violent physical war would put an end to them and their dependent asses in short order. Instead they will try to win the war with incrementalism, continue outlawing weapons, slowly trampling our rights, until anyone that does not agree with their agenda becomes a criminal. By then they will have won and in time we will all be scooped up by the system for various reasons. Only then, soon after the utopian gun free society is created, will they have plenty of time to reflect and recognize how wrong they were while they are living on meager rations and learning to speak Chinese

 

[Mere_Man]

You're all insurgents unless you win and then you're patriots.

 

[Pitbull_Dallas]

Would any state of the union defy the federal government realistically? Even places like Texas, Wyoming, or AZ I think would succumb / surrender to Washington if we were on the verge of bloodshed.

This is why I think if it does go down, we the people are left to our own choices with no established state of union providing support, logistical or otherwise.

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Well it did happen before, but today it's highly unlikely and that leaves you with the last part of my statement; the problematic part...

 

[sabotage39k]

It all depends on the narrative and makeup. By my own estimation, people always succeed in revolutionary ideas or preservation of existing by the degree in which they win hearts and minds. There is not enough inclusion to the conservative ideology for many obvious reasons. The country is just too divided and likely by design to minimize any impact of the first shots fired. As long as the system keeps people divided the revolutionaries will always be seen as traitors, terrorists, or whatever other label they have in mind. People have to ask themselves if they are unintentionally shooting themselves in the foot. There is a reason the Syrian civil war has lasted as long as it has because the government forces were in the minority and the resistors were high in number and more united in a singular cause. The effort to splinter that cause through the introduction of various interests and actors i.e Isis, al queda, etc; is what watered down that united effort.

 

[OkSixpack]

What you are remembered as will not not matter in the end. What matters is what you actually are right now.

 

[TraderBob]

I don't care what they call me in the end. All that matters is that I believed in what I did, and that I did it to the best of my ability.
Heck, I don't care what they call me now

 

[Exarmyguy]

If tensions rise to the point of no return (civil war or similar), those of us who would gather as an organized force and hold the line, whether the line is in the wood line or on Broadway street - for our families, our values and our constitution - will be be remembered as patriots? Or traitors?

They say one man's patriot is another man's terrorist.

If we lose the commies win and we are the enemy. Standard history

 

[ForgedInTheFlame]

I don't care what they call me in the end. All that matters is that I believed in what I did, and that I did it to the best of my ability.
Heck, I don't care what they call me now

I had to put my phone down, stand up, and give this post a standing ovation. Well said.

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