[FARM HAND]

America is a land where there are A LOT OF ARMED CITIZENS, most of them will shoot any gang members or looters on the spot, after a while there will be A LOT less of them to loot or create chaos.
We are not Africa, France, or Germany, we are America, where if they try to disarm everyone, well..... good luck with that.

 

[44 Guy]

Why go shopping at all? Everything can be bought online and delivered home.

No risk of thieves.

Seriously?
Especially during the holidays, theft of home deliveries are very common.

 

[Rigel]

Seriously?

Yep.

When we all had covid, we didn't go shopping. We got everything ordered online.

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I am sure you must be able to order vegetables, soap, toothpaste, etc. over the internet in America.

Especially during the holidays, theft of home deliveries are very common.

But you won't be robbed. The poor delivery guy might get robbed but you won't lose any money.

 

[44 Guy]

Yep.

When we all had covid, we didn't go shopping. We got everything ordered online.

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I am sure you must be able to order vegetables, soap, toothpaste, etc. over the internet in America.


But you won't be robbed. The poor delivery guy might get robbed but you won't lose any money.

Again, the news is full of stories of packages stolen off front porches. One group was caught following Amazon, waiting till they left and then steeling the packages.
Fortunately,y private street has little traffic and I have little need to order anything.

 

[Rigel]

Again, the news is full of stories of packages stolen off front porches. One group was caught following Amazon, waiting till they left and then steeling the packages.

Oh... okay, now I understand.

They can't steal from porches around here. The stuff is never left unattended. If you do not answer the door, it goes back to wherever it came from.

And what kind of crook steals carrots and cabbage???

 

[prprd_1]

Oh... okay, now I understand.

They can't steal from porches around here. The stuff is never left unattended. If you do not answer the door, it goes back to wherever it came from.

And what kind of crook steals carrots and cabbage???

One who’s family is starving.

 

[Rigel]

One who’s family is starving.

I've never seen a thin crook....

But okay... I get your point. I can only guess what horrible chain of events would make a crook steal my carrots but sure... these days anything can happen.

My uncle was a chicken thief, btw. He didn't do it because he was hungry... he did it because he didn't like his neighbor.

 

[CRABBY]

What are you talking about? My friends in SF haven't mentioned any shopping risks. Neither have my family members in L.A. Nor have I encountered or observed any at the Costco in Santa Rosa.

I get that everyone loves to hate California, but that's no reason to make stuff up when people are trying to have a serious conversation about risks and how to mitigate them.

Let's try to keep actual survivalism discussions fact-based.

LOL,I live in this socialist empire.Theres a reason many people hate commiefornia.There are people who live in those places that never experience any thing bad,my freinds an myself who have lived there all feel as my post stated.Even now the news is full a good fun stuff there,carjackings,drive by's, armed robberies, ect.ect.ect. Not to mention the homeless,streets turned into big toilets an the list goes on.An yes I still live in commiefornia....LOL

 

[Marjorie]

Seriously, we're were you in 2020.

Near Phoenix, AZ. We could still buy pretty much everything. You had to get to the grocery story early in the day, couldn't wait until 8 pm to do your shopping, and you might need to go without flour for a week, but there were still groceries. Though we couldn't always get exactly what we wanted, we were never short on actual calories.

I am sure you must be able to order vegetables, soap, toothpaste, etc. over the internet in America.

I can order soap and toothpaste, but not food. We're fairly rural and no one delivers food out here. We can't get restaurant delivery, either.

And what kind of crook steals carrots and cabbage???

They don't look in the packages before taking them to see if they're suitable. They just grab the boxes, throw them in the truck bed/car, and go.

I'm sure more than a few got home to go through their loot and thought "cabbages and carrots? What kind of person orders cabbages and carrots???"

 

[44 Guy]

Oh... okay, now I understand.

They can't steal from porches around here. The stuff is never left unattended. If you do not answer the door, it goes back to wherever it came from.

And what kind of crook steals carrots and cabbage???

In SHTF or a major shortage your neighbor, the one you've known for 20 years, if his kids are starving......

 

[Rigel]

What kind of person orders cabbages and carrots???"

Someone who thought he was dying of covid....

I'm fine now in case anyone is wondering. Fully vaccinated too.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

Hello, new here. As they used to say on Rush's show... "Long time listener, first time caller."

To answer your question (or at least give an opinion) it all depends on the nature of the SHTF. We recently experienced a nearly state-wide power outage that lasted most of the week. 40s at night, pretty cold. I went on the power company's website to see what areas had power, and surprisingly, a nearby city (10,000 people and less than 1/2 hour away) had the main gas station/fast food strip fully lit.

So I went to get generator gas, and had to go inside the convenience/Coffee/Subway Sandwiches/Bagel area to pay cash. People from all over a six county area had done exactly as I had done, and we were all on line sharing stories and encouraging each other.

You could actually feel the adrenaline/survival mode dissipate as people filled up their vehicles, their 5 gallon gas cans, bought milk and bread, and cell-phone backup batteries. Hell, I could feel it dissipate when I saw a lit-up gas station in the distance.

If the power outage would have lasted longer, if the gas station would have been closed, or running out of important items, things may have been different.

 

[Henrykjr]

Just to put a little perspective on crime rates and where this could potentially go..... a lot of people like to bag on San Francisco and NYC as being absolutely lawless (which they are).

I am a medium sized e-commerce seller....... package theft from organized gangs is off the chart....so much so that I recently blocked sales to over 200 zipcode prefixes (thats the first 3 digits in a zipcode). The results were pretty stunning with over 1600 fully blocked zipcodes across the US just on package thefts alone.

Let that sink in for a moment as to how lawless the US already is. Not even Amazon can operate in Los Angels without being carjacked, looted or having packages stolen.

We are never too far away from things getting really bad we just have to hope and pray that the wheels dont come fully off.

HK

 

[Illini Warrior]

shop? - shop where? >>>>> all it takes for the ghetto to bust out the hammers and zippos is some lame azz excuse - a retail area will be looted by Day 1 - and burning on Day 2 - Day 3 will be charred ruins >>>>

that's when the REAL fun starts >>> after the looted booze & drugs are finished off - the kidnapped women dead or half dead - the residential areas start to get visitors >>> the unfortunate homes & apartments in the ghetto-to-retail rioting path have already had trouble - now the high $$$$ exclusive fenced abodes get targeted >>>> this is the probable junction point of when the looting/rioting goes more like all-out war - reports on racial atrocities and tit-4-tat retribution start circulating - LIVE ON CNN

 

[memtb]

Seriously?
Especially during the holidays, theft of home deliveries are very common.

Not in our neighborhood…..if the thief got past the security measure, it could be a fatal mistake coming to someone’s door stealing things! Especially “if” they appear to be armed! 😉 memtb

 

[ForumSurvivalist]

We order food from 2 supermarkets. I get up to the minute details via SMS messages of where the goods are in the process, from picking the items off the shelf to the actual delivery, and they ring the bell on delivery.

There is no way to steal the goods and you avoid all of the issues of getting robbed in the parking lot.

If they steal the goods once from the delivery vehicle at our location, they are done, that is all that they will get, JUST ONE TIME. The next time I'll be waiting with a machete and a firearm.

 

[charliemeyer007]

So what is it like 90% of the crime is done by 10% of the people. I'm thinking that law enforcement is keeping those 10% alive "for now". So gas is $50 a gallon and the stores have nothing on the shelves or are even open who is driving to town? Resupply is a thing from the past.

 

[montana Bill]

The new crime in Billings Montana (100K or so people) is coming thru the passenger side of the car and grabbing whatever and running. Not your car you say......try an exploding window from someone you didn't see whacking it with an emergency seat belt cutter/window breaker.

 

[blue123]

So what is it like 90% of the crime is done by 10% of the people. I'm thinking that law enforcement is keeping those 10% alive "for now". So gas is $50 a gallon and the stores have nothing on the shelves or are even open who is driving to town? Resupply is a thing from the past.

No resupply, that's when attitudes change for the worse.....

 

[Rigel]

We order food from 2 supermarkets. I get up to the minute details via SMS messages of where the goods are in the process, from picking the items off the shelf to the actual delivery, and they ring the bell on delivery.

There is no way to steal the goods and you avoid all of the issues of getting robbed in the parking lot.

Exactly what I meant. No matter what lockdown or emergency is happening, the delivery guy always makes it through. And the app on your phone can track him.

We also have CoD... Cash on Delivery. The guy waits for me to pay him in cash when he shows up with the stuff. We don't use credit cards usually in this country... we either pay by phone or use cash (or use a debit card.. not often). He can't leave the stuff at my door and walk away. He needs to see my face.

Following the delivery guy is no good.