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Why are so many people trying so hard to blend in a SHTF urban scenario?

I do agree that not sticking out is a valuable thing but many people are taking this too far and in the wrong direction. They are asking questions like which is best denim, black, or camo. Or things like I live in a town that has this kind of people so I should dress like this. I believe this to be a poor way to approach the situation.

First of; as far as camouflage goes, In normal light conditions, It only works well at certain distances. We’re talking about 20 yds and out. Even the newer digital camo doesn’t work when the observer is very close. I have no doubt that some of you may disagree with me about the exact details but generally speaking camo only works well at a distance.

Also camouflage works if you are stationary. It doesn’t matter if your camo is as sophisticated as the Predators, If your moving then you will be spotted. Human eye sight is based hugely on movement and because of this if a person wanted to blend in or disappear it is done more with actions then appearance. Air Force air crew survival guides, special forces manuals, and ninjitsu ideas can help with this.

In many situations blending with the crowd is desirable and is no different then the camo. A forum member named Grey Wolf gave some advice to women about being safe. In her post she brings up an example of how a tourist stands out. This person does so mainly with their actions not their appearance. The poster stated that tourist acts differently, they look up at the tall buildings, they walk on the right of the side walk instead of the middle, etc. Forget material ideas of blending with clothes, trench coats, or what ever. Instead when the time comes observe other people and do what they do.

I know its important to blend in with appearance but actions are what will make you stick out in the crowd and in the wild. Prevent this with either not being in that situation at all, or minimize it with you actions. Do not depend on material things, depend on your wits. Different circumstances require different material resources, but most difficult circumstances require the same kind of thinking.

Please don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to say if you wanted to blend in with that group of refugees alls you need to do is walk down there like some kind of suave ninja. But what I am saying is that putting camos in your BOB or grabbing the kind of clothes that everyone else will have is not the best idea. Instead put your efforts in training and observation. Adapt to the situation, don’t make the situation adapt to you. This just my opinion though 
 

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odds are if mass amounts of ppl are fleeing a large city there is no1 way to behave. many are going to be in shock and many will be paniced because something very bad is happening, EVERYONE will be highly stressed and worried about loved ones. i would expect 85% of the ppl will be carrying something backpack,luggage,suite case,trash bags,pillow case..ect. and at least the 1st 72 hrs no one is going to be worried about what anyone is wearing (unless they see a someone in uniform with a weapon) its all going to be random. personelly i would avoid following the herd by not going by way of the road if possable. i would look for railroad tracks there may be a few ppl that might think to go that way but 90% are going to follow the herd and take the easiest route.

what will get you more attention than anything else is carrying a rifle/shotgun or if they can see a pistol straped to you, THAT is going to get everyones attention. i know it would me if something bad is happening and i see someone armed and i'm not :eek: thats going to get my attention .... thats why i want to travel the path less traveled because i will be armed

i dont think there is any golden rule on what to do. each and everyone of us has to look at our own situation and make a determination on what is the best course of action for them :thumb: some ppl at 1st may need to play greyman for a while then change into camo's at some point. there is not set standard of action that is going to guarantee everyones safety

im just glad i dont have to worry about it. i live on the outskirts of a very small city and can see the forrest from my front door. and the herd will not be going my way :thumb:
 

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I don't think you are using the term camo properly. Camo is not MARPAT, but ANYTHING used to blend in, Therefore if everyone is wearing jeans and dark jackets, then that would be efficient camo weather you are moving or not. The thing with military/hunting camo is that it will always attract attention, possibly to the point that people think you are military/LEO. True your actions will stand out, thus the practice in acting, I think is essential for these people. Also any training may be thrown out if you are targeted for some reason(they want to kill you for your guns maybe) which is why the blending in is very important. You say to practice, depend on your wits, well you still have to prepare. you need material goods, and ultimately it comes down to you weather you want to take the time to find camo, or to decide weather food, or shelter is more important.

Of course IMO it is not up to us, but to you to decide what will blend in where you are.
 

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The thing with military/hunting camo is that it will always attract attention, possibly to the point that people think you are military/LEO. .
Have you ever been to downtown Houston in the winter? Funny to see lawyers walking around in slacks wearing camo duck hunting jackets.
We sometimes get those artic blasts that drop the temp down below 40º f so you wear what you've got. ;)
Out away from downtown you almost stand out NOT wearing a camo hunting jacket.
 

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IMO, all anyone need do is go to the mall or stand on a busy street and just watch people.......who stands out? Pretty girls, crazy hairdos, crazy dress, tall folks, extemely fat folks, well built folks, folks who seem to be up to something,,,,, the things that stick out are things out of place- folks who dress a certain way, but don't act that way......for instance, seeing a suit dancing in the isle, seeing a uniform taking pictures of stuff, seeing scrubs staggering, etc. Also, in a urban setting, being seen every day or often is a dead give away......acting like you're up to something gets noticed......
 

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I think that all some people are saying is not to stick out. People fleeing from a disaster is one thing. Somebody walking around with tactical gear a bob with a black rifle at the ready getting ready to shoot at anybody they perceive as a raider is just asking for trouble.

Being thrown behind bars and then not being able to get out because the guards bailed out at the first sign of danger is not a good step in phase 1 of shtf and being a survivalist.
 

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I feel bad for all of you people who even have to discuss camo. Seriously people is it that rare to see people wearing camo where you live?

Where im at about 2 out of 5 people aged 2-60 are wearing camo, and two more of them are probably washing their camo because its laundry day. Seriously I live in a hunting/fishing/farming/logging/atv/hiking town, surrounded by more than 363,000 acres of forest. If it ain't camo, its carhart.

Sounds to me like you people need to move.
 

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So in other words, wearing MARPAT BDU's and body armor, sporting a MARPAT ILBE loaded to the rim, while standing among a bunch of people in black tie, casual or even crazy attire WILL still get you noticed?
Yes and then scrutinized........there's a difference between being noticed and being scrutinized......... while we can't avoid being noticed, we want to not be scrutinized.......
 

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I think we have a lot of younger types who want to make a fashion statement.

You want urban camo? Be a bum. Worn out hand me down clothes. Don't shave and stay unkempt. Brownie points if you stink. Maybe push a shopping cart full of trash. Develop a nervous tick or mumble to yourself. A ripped up field jacket with a name and some stripes makes you look like a sheeple's fantasy of what a PTSD vet looks like. Nothing worth stealing and nobody messes with them.

Females can't pull this off so well so. Add some grey hair and smear on a lot of dirt. If you can fake open sores it will make you a less attractive target.
 

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ask any LEO or a crook ...... camo means GUN !!!!!!
Maybe around where you are, but not here. People wear woodland camo pants or jackets all the time around here and no one thinks anything of it. I personally know plenty who wear camo on a regular basis and have never so much as touched a gun.

I feel bad for all of you people who even have to discuss camo. Seriously people is it that rare to see people wearing camo where you live?

Where im at about 2 out of 5 people aged 2-60 are wearing camo, and two more of them are probably washing their camo because its laundry day. Seriously I live in a hunting/fishing/farming/logging/atv/hiking town, surrounded by more than 363,000 acres of forest. If it ain't camo, its carhart.

Sounds to me like you people need to move.

Camo and carharts sounds about right where I live as well...


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Have you ever been to downtown Houston in the winter? Funny to see lawyers walking around in slacks wearing camo duck hunting jackets.
We sometimes get those artic blasts that drop the temp down below 40º f so you wear what you've got. ;)
Out away from downtown you almost stand out NOT wearing a camo hunting jacket.
No kidding. You see a little bit of everything here in Houston. And camo, espeically hunting camo, certainly doesn't stand out.
 

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I can understand people wanting to blend in, but wouldn't a sudden change from your everyday clothing cause you to stand out?

My thought is that if you wan't to blend in, then wear what you wear every day.
I can just see people pointing and saying "That Bill H Greene is really freaking-out! Just look at how he's trying to change his appearence..."
 

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I can understand people wanting to blend in, but wouldn't a sudden change from your everyday clothing cause you to stand out?

My thought is that if you wan't to blend in, then wear what you wear every day.
I can just see people pointing and saying "That Bill H Greene is really freaking-out! Just look at how he's trying to change his appearence..."
I mean especially the local cops:
"Look at old Bill H Greene over there! See how he's dressed!?! I wonder what he's up to..."

So I think it would be best to wear your everyday wear if you want to blend in.
Otherwise you could bring undue and unwanted attention to yourself.

If your going to carry a pack and a longgun, then take up hunting and camping pubically and let people see you
in hunting and camping gear every so often.

And then when people say "Your going hunting???... Haven't you heard _______________??" then you can play dumb
and shrug it off and act like you either haven't heard or that you think everyone is overreacting.

Just let people see you wearing your gear every now and again.
Work it into your public lifestyle gradually without branding yourself as a survivalist.
 

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Which bag? No way I'm carrying all this stuff, that's why I turned my F150 into a bugout truck.
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All you need is one person to over-react and have that OMG attitude.

Case in point: 5 years ago when I first moved into my place on 40 plus acres. My girlfriend's son and his buddy (age 14) were tromping around the property in camo gear and a bb gun playing like they were army.

The neighbor call it in to 911 as people walking around in combat gear, the pd sent 4 squad cars ready for action to investigate. Even the police officer claimed that when they hear camo and tactical gear they are ready for a fight.

I'm just saying that a lot of people and police in some areas over react. Not saying to stay away from camo, but don't make it look like you are a tactical unit ready for a fight.

That's the beauty of some of the service's new color scheme. The navy's new uniform has all the benefit's but nobody thinks special forces when in a blue camie color. Plus it actually works good in some environments and low light conditions.
 

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Have you ever been to downtown Houston in the winter? Funny to see lawyers walking around in slacks wearing camo duck hunting jackets.
We sometimes get those artic blasts that drop the temp down below 40º f so you wear what you've got. ;)
Out away from downtown you almost stand out NOT wearing a camo hunting jacket.
Ok maybe you are right. In my city any Camo stands out. People pay attention to you, specially if it is like a uniform. But then again, that brings up where I said you have to pay attention to the norms around you, not take the advice of someone who is not there...
 

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I can understand people wanting to blend in, but wouldn't a sudden change from your everyday clothing cause you to stand out?

My thought is that if you wan't to blend in, then wear what you wear every day.
I can just see people pointing and saying "That Bill H Greene is really freaking-out! Just look at how he's trying to change his appearence..."
I'm thinking about something big happening. Example a hurricane. I don't think anyone will notice you are wearing something different...Anyway if you are from there, you are probly wearing what the locals wear anyway...of course you can always cover your head with a bandana or ski mask and nobody will know you are Bill.
 

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I think the OP is just reading too much into it.

What I get from people saying to blend in is simply to not draw unnecessary attention to yourself. Don't panic, don't dress for battle for a simple power outage, etc...

If thshtf and after a month in everyone is dirty and starving, don't go outside smelling like barbecue sauce, or Irish Spring soap.

Don't make yourself a target. You can walk right down a sunny street and still blend in.
 
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