[SoJ_51]

My wife and I live in a rural, wooded area and the house is about 150 meters from the road. The driveway has a gate but we rarely close it. Friends, acquaintances and neighbors show up unannounced all the time. It's kind of a weird culture out here in the sticks, but we like it.

Gotcha.. Well, I was more thinking of / speaking to the 'Urban context', and Certainly also After 'SHTF'.. In which case, even YourMMV..

Hope not, but.. We 'Hope for the Best / Plan for the Worst'..

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jd

 

[film495]

while I get that most here strive for self-reliance, I do also. don't forget you may be the one who is asking for help.

 

[sparky5]

IFF we help anybody, they will need to reciprocate even if it's just pitching in with their backs. Idleness will not be tolerated. The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat. -2Thes 3:10

 

[chris russell]

If they are not blood related family then people will be on there own.

I refuse to help the people in our society that wont help themselves with preparedness and education on survival.

There will be no ( government type ) hand outs at my place.

 

[SkunkWerX]

I was going to answer "a lost Child". Then, I remembered, this is SHTF. That lost child crying in my front yard could be a trap?
I'll be very wary. Anyone who has happened upon my AO made it there, so...?? why do they need my help? Move along little doggy.

I will help like minded individuals, who, in reality, could stand on their own, but, if we can mutually benefit, there is safety in numbers.
Teamwork more than assistance.

I have family members who will will warrant no more than a bottle of water and a few crackers and be sent on their way.
Maybe, to receive such assistance, they can do some chores, haul firewood, weed the garden, etc.

As the bumper sticker says, "Nobody rides for free".

 

[westtxlawrence]

IFF we help anybody, they will need to reciprocate even if it's just pitching in with their backs. Idleness will not be tolerated. The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat. -2Thes 3:10

What happened to the Christian 'cheeful giver' who gives of his supplies
and expects 'nothing' in return?

WestTxDesertRat

 

[SoJ_51]

I was going to answer "a lost Child". Then, I remembered, this is SHTF. That lost child crying in my front yard could be a trap?

..Could always try 'The Cone' approach..

What happened to the Christian 'cheeful giver' who gives of his supplies
and expects 'nothing' in return?

..And, What, pray-tell, would have Happened to those who tried to apply that, say, during the Roman invasion of Jerusalem, in 70CE (..Their 'SHTF'..) That's the 'point', here, Friend...

..Context is Everything.

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jd

 

[Phantomphixer154]

JPARIZ said:

Kids!
I'm NOT going to let a child go hungry if I can possibly help. It's not their fault if their parents are stupid / ignorant.
Adults are on their own. They had ample warning & time to prepare.



Are you going to try to derail the Global Socialists plan to kill all but 500
Million humans off the Earth by 2030 by starving the babies,children, and
old people to death first?

WTDR
[/QUOTE) If it was just a child, then yes I would take them in and give them some food...probably. But I would have to find out if they're truly a lost child or a plant by a larger group who would get up in the middle of the night and unlock doors for the rest of their group. As I KEEP saying, I'm going to look after mine FIRST.

 

[westtxlawrence]

Christian kindness heaps fiery coals on the heads of unbelievers....it says
somewhere in the bible. But they have no shame that don't believe in
God. So, sometimes a Christian has to defend themselves with deadly
force.

WTDR

Remember, Moses, David, Elijah....all KILLED. Moses....a soldier beating
a Hebrew slave to death......David....tens of thousands to secure his kingdom and MURDERED a man to take his wife (Bathsheba), Elijah killed the 300 prophets of Baal for cooking babies and eating them......
but they were all 'men after God's own heart'.....God did not hold their
killings against them.
So remember, IF you have to kill a minion of satan for threatening/attacking your family or property......God is on your side, and
He is your ultimate Judge. What man does to you is not important because man cannot touch your soul.

WestTxDesertRat

 

[Clifffalling]

Please don't use my God's NAME when you mean me. I am not worthy of Him but He took pity on me and saved me. I only want to try to please Him....no one else matters at all.

WestTxDesertRt

Why are you quoting yourself and telling yourself not to use the Lord's name in vain?
Also, in one post you are telling people to be kind. In another that it's okay to kill people.
Overall, pretty judgmental. Not sure i can make sense of some of your chery picking.
Guess I'm not bery smart or worthy. Hmmmm.

 

[Karaya1]

I don’t know many of my neighbors and the ones I know are preppers. But remember this. Once you show compassion you become the guy that’s got food to give away.

 

[notmyblood]

If kids and wife are alive no one. I got what I got for them and me.

 

[rt66paul]

First and foremost ... I help ME. If I'm not healthy, I'm of no good to anyone else. So helping myself first assures that I'll be able to help someone else if the need arises.

Secondly, I routinely preach to friends, family, customers, etc. that they need to start preparing right this second because none of us know what tomorrow may bring. They've been warned. Now if they still choose to sit on their tails buying soda pop, pizza, and big screen TVs then they're on their own should SHTF. I won't be held responsible for their sloth and ignorance. They better not come knocking on my door.

Now if I were to look outside the window and see a hungry child, I'm sure my conscience won't allow me to see him/her starve to death or die of thirst.

The problem is that there are many people on the skids already. These people are there mostly because of bad choices they have made. If they come wanting to change, I would help them, but they will have to be there for our new community and work very hard towards getting rid of the demons they have. Yes, I would help their children, but they must allow me to help raise them and show them my values.

We are fostering a nephew now He is 5 months old. Child services released him to us because mother won't try. She talks the talk, but has done nothing to even try to get the boy. It is really sad to see this, and she may be expecting again. We can't take a second child.

 

[Arik Pointer]

I'm a disabled man living with my elderly parents. Of course, I do and have done everything I can. My point is that I can make a suggestion (and a case for it) but not the final decision.

I have two sisters who rarely call. When she calls, my youngest sister does because she needs something, but more often than that, it's to complain. No "Happy birthday!" no "Happy Mothersday!" In the spirit of fairness and transparency, Mom gets upset with me for not being observant. In other words, I'm not without fault either.

I believe in karma, so I want to help my sisters and brother-in-law in any way I can, but there's not much I can do as things stand now.

I'm in a position to barter, but I suspect that is not what the OP meant.

Because my youngest sister complains a lot, our mom doesn't want her with us if the entire family needs to shelter here.

Do people change when they're starving?

 

[rakkar]

Family only is a terrible idea. Who is keeping watch over your garden? Are you ready to shoot hungry bands of people on a daily basis? What about when your supply stores are raided during the night? What happens when someone gets shot? What do you do when you come across hungry children who lost their parents?

Numbers = safety. Form a neighborhood mutual defense pact with anyone that can contribute. Pretty much anyone is good for something.

Keeping watch on 4 corners of the block, 2 people per post, 3 shifts per day = 24 people
Cooking / cleaning = 6 people
Medical: 3 people
Communications: 1 person per shift, 3 shifts = 3 people
Gardening / foraging: 10 people
General labor / repair: 5 people

 

[alleycat]

Everyone on this forum is "prepared". We're as ready as we can be for civil unrest, famine, war and plague. Just today, my wife and I were loading food supplies down in a 1950's era underground fallout shelter. I never thought it would come to this, but here we are.

One nagging question remains. If everything goes to hell, and people show up at your doorstep, who do you help?

very good question!! I would say few to none and must know well and planed them to show up in advance. Unrest can change people you think you know so be careful

 

[A.J.]

very good question!! I would say few to none and must know well and planed them to show up in advance. Unrest can change people you think you know so be careful

Wise words.

 

[bcvojak]

Tough for me. Its really just my wife's family. Most of them are flaming progressive TROGs. Additionally, others are just plain stupid. They have nothing more than a few days of anything... food, water, money. They all know i am prepared and make fun of me for it. But you better believe they all want to be on my 'poc list for entry. Few of them have any skills, many are lazy, none of them even know how to use a firearm. So... I honestly don't know what i will do.

Odds Are:
1) When it's important to ration, they will eat you out of house and home.
2) They will expect you to do all the work while they "vacation" at your place.
3) When you decide on something they don't agree with, they will "out vote", by force if necessary.

 

[rakkar]

Odd Are:
1) When it's important to ration, they will eat you out of house and home.
2) They will expect you to do all the work while they "vacation" at your place.
3) When you decide on something they don't agree with, they will "out vote", by force if necessary.

The U.S. is filled with useful idiots, and would the first to be put up against the wall if they actually got the form of government they wanted. But I try to keep in perspective they are victims of an information war we are in. When things go kinetic most will wake up, and a person who finds out they were being lied to by their own side is often your best ally. As long as they are not totally useless or actively opposing those trying to survive, I'll help who I can.

 

[FMF8404Doc]

That's pretty much the way I feel. I'll help unaccompanied kids, but adults are on their own.

Disturbing things I saw in Iraq included kids in abject poverty, wounded baby, human trafficking (some of whom appeared to be minors) and neglected/starving animals (dogs and donkeys). Call me heartless, but the thing that bothered me the most was the starving animals.

Yeah, I feel the same way. The kids and the animals I saw on deployment have stayed with me, I still see some of them in my mind's eye or when I dream. Most of the adults seemed to become anonymous parts of the background and/or nearly constant threat assessment. When I read or hear about the VC using kids as decoys or even bombs in Vietnam it sickens me beyond belief... but that is always a possibility. The world is pretty messed up.