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This is an excellent opportunity to promote huge breasts! On girls only... not old, out of shape guys.
Sorry if anyone god a bad mental image of "man boobs" from that. 😉
While the statement is funny, it's points out how our society has "trained" young women to forego their own bodies in taking care of children. It's always been, give the babies formula, nothing natural. Then you have a portion of society as radical as other leftists screaming and berating breast feeding. So who changed this culture, and why? To trap mothers into formula?
 

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A small act of desperation and rioting was when Covid shut down our food bank lines. When they were reopened the people who came were like animals. Normally there is one line which moves slowly through as workers drop bags of food in the car. First day, they had cars ramming each other trying to be first, people getting out of their cars starting fights, and even bringing weapons, Then the people were abusing the workers threatening and stealing, as well as assaulting workers.

This proved to me that when you systematically feed people with no investment, and then stop, they will turn on the givers to take what they believe they deserve. Personally, I think we should get rid of all giving and "handouts" and only give only to those who perform a modest amount of work in exchange for public assets.
 

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:unsure: ...Mmm, the Coroner? :geek:

..Seriously, though, if "people show up at your doorstep" - that's yer First Mistake.. There should Be None of that, either because a) Those whom you Agree to 'help', are Already 'in the Loop' / Know the drill / Op-Plans / Protocols, etc, and b) There should be enough 'buffer' / perimeter-security / alert-sys, so 'That' (people just 'showing up' / getting All the way In to that 'inner core' (ergo: "Inside the Wire"? Isn't that the .mil term for it? :unsure:) ..Cannot 'just Happen'..

..which is 'Safer' for All - them Included.. (cuz then They don't have to get converted into wormfood 'earlier than normal', as 'Trespassers'.. :devilish:

I know this wasn't necessarily the 'thrust of yer Op', but.. Just my thoughts.. Fwiw. :)

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My wife and I live in a rural, wooded area and the house is about 150 meters from the road. The driveway has a gate but we rarely close it. Friends, acquaintances and neighbors show up unannounced all the time. It's kind of a weird culture out here in the sticks, but we like it.

If SHTF, I'd like to think most of these unannounced visitors would want to bond together in order form an organized group for mutual support. People showing up simply wanting things while giving nothing in return would be highly suspect.

It wouldn't be difficult to "get inside the wire" on my property, even with the gate closed. Even so, since we're pretty much a community of rural vacation homes, our home is perhaps the hardest target in the area. Why? Because we're one of the few full time residents.

Burglars would hit the unoccupied places first, giving us plenty of warning. After that, who knows?
 

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A small act of desperation and rioting was when Covid shut down our food bank lines. When they were reopened the people who came were like animals. Normally there is one line which moves slowly through as workers drop bags of food in the car. First day, they had cars ramming each other trying to be first, people getting out of their cars starting fights, and even bringing weapons, Then the people were abusing the workers threatening and stealing, as well as assaulting workers.

This proved to me that when you systematically feed people with no investment, and then stop, they will turn on the givers to take what they believe they deserve. Personally, I think we should get rid of all giving and "handouts" and only give only to those who perform a modest amount of work in exchange for public assets.
Great story. I'm not surprised a bit.

My last job before retiring was as a retail store manager. I worked throughout the Covid scare.

Customers were brutal. I was cussed out, threatened, disrespected and verbally accosted on almost a daily basis. As in your example, it gave me a clear insight as to how low people will sink if you take away a little of their comfort.

After a while, I changed the way I interacted with rude, demanding, abusive people. I basically refused to serve them. "Excuse me Sir, the abusive manner in which you are addressing my employee is unacceptable. Unless you immediately apologize and change your behavior, I will have to ask you to leave the store. If you refuse, I will notify the sheriff's office. Oh... And once they arrive, they WILL check for outstanding warrants." It worked every time! 😆
 

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Anybody here remember the old twilight zone episode called ''shelter'' ??
Its all about a prepper family in the 60s an how vicious their non prepper friends an neighbors become when SHTF an they trash the prepper families bomb shelter an supplies....Its worth a look..
I remember it. That is exactly what would happen.
 

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Great story. I'm not surprised a bit.

My last job before retiring was as a retail store manager. I worked throughout the Covid scare.

Customers were brutal. I was cussed out, threatened, disrespected and verbally accosted on almost a daily basis. As in your example, it gave me a clear insight as to how low people will sink if you take away a little of their comfort.

After a while, I changed the way I interacted with rude, demanding, abusive people. I basically refused to serve them. "Excuse me Sir, the abusive manner in which you are addressing my employee is unacceptable. Unless you immediately apologize and change your behavior, I will have to ask you to leave the store. If you refuse, I will notify the sheriff's office. Oh... And once they arrive, they WILL check for outstanding warrants." It worked every time! 😆
I’ve worked as a meat cutter/butcher for a large regional supermarket chain since I was handed my dd214 in the early 90s. The pandemic showed me just how fragile society really is.

Just when we thought customers couldn’t surprise us anymore, we were proved wrong. I could write a small book about all the things we saw people do.

Now, two years later, customers think everything is hunky dory and things are back to normal….the majority haven’t grasped that things will never go back to “normal”.

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To the original question, we have a small handful of neighbors, and we all look out for each other on a regular basis. Hopefully that wouldn’t change.

All of our children would be welcome. Two of live out of state. One has a good support system with his wife’s family so they’re good. The other (and family) would be welcome, but current circumstances would dictate whether they’d attempt the 2-3 hour drive. The one who lives local would be here as soon as they could safely get here.
 

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The Global Socialists have already started their campaign to starve babies, children, and old people to death.

‘It’s a nightmare’: baby formula shortage leaves US parents desperate
Strained supplies are further exacerbated after a recall by manufacturer Abbott, experts say
A nearly empty baby formula display shelf is seen at a Target store in Orlando, Florida.

A nearly empty baby formula display shelf is seen at a Target store in Orlando, Florida. Photograph: Paul Hennessy/SOPA Images/REX/Shutterstock

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Mon 9 May 2022 12.06 EDTLast modified on Mon 9 May 2022 12.18 EDT



The US baby formula shortage is leaving manufacturers scrambling and parents in desperation.
During the week starting 24 April, 40% of baby formula was out of stock in more than 11,000 stores across the country, CNN and USA Today reported, compared to an out-of-stock percentage of 2 to 8% during the first half of 2021.

In six states – Texas, Tennessee, North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Missouri – more than half of available baby formula in stores was sold out during the week of 24 April, according to CNN and USA Today, citing information from the website Datasembly.

Amid fears of formula stockpiling, several major retailers, including Walgreens and CVS, have placed limits on how much formula parents can buy at a time.
Experts say that strained baby formula supplies were further exacerbated after a recall by the manufacturer Abbott Nutrition. In February, Abbott voluntarily recalled three of its products after reports of illness among infant consumers, including two who died.

Baby Formula Is Latest Product To Suffer Shortages Due Pandemic Induced Supply Chain Issues<br>CHICAGO, ILLINOIS - JANUARY 13: Baby formula is offered for sale at a big box store on January 13, 2022 in Chicago, Illinois. Baby formula has been is short supply in many stores around the country for several months. (Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images)
Reports of infant illnesses investigated following US formula recall

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The Abbott recall particularly afflicted families who rely on public benefits such as WIC – a special supplemental food program for low-income women and children – because the manufacturer was the exclusive supplier for more than half of the agencies administering WIC, Brian Dittmeier of the National WIC Association told the New York Times.
Now, parents who are desperate to secure a regular supply of baby formula for their children are having increased difficulty obtaining a single can.
Many parents have been relying on social media groups to stay abreast of inventory restocks and possible bargains. The groups have been particularly useful for parents whose children require certain types of formulas due to allergies or other medical issues.
Particularly in areas with low supply, parents have been forced to travel to neighboring states just to see if any formula is available there.

“It’s a nightmare,” Ashley Hernandez, a mother of two, said to the Times. Hernandez has been procuring formula for her two girls from eBay, frantically messaging potential sellers about her requests.
As the scarcity intensifies, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a statement saying it was aware of supply issues that the Abbott recall had aggravated, especially when coupled with shortages stemming from the Covid-19 pandemic.

“The FDA is working with Abbott Nutrition to better assess the impacts of the recall and understand the production capacity at other Abbott facilities that produce some of the impacted brands,” the FDA said in a statement.
Other baby formula suppliers have said they are adjusting their operations to meet the increased demand created by the Abbott recall.
For example, the manufacturer of the Enfamil infant formula told USA Today that its factories are running 24/7 and shipped out 30% more of its formula during its first quarter of the year.
But as supply chain issues worsen and store shelves remain empty of formula, parents of infants are growing more uncertain about how to feed their babies.
“Every day, we hear from parents who are hurt, angry, anxious and scared,” Dittmeier, of the National WIC Association, said to the Times. “The lives of their infants are on the line.”
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Supplies of Ensure and other drinks/foods for the elderly are very low or non existent across the country also.

Bye bye infants and old geezers.

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Except for a fairly small percentage of the population, infants should never run out of formula, most mom's can produce enough for thier child's needs.
 

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While the statement is funny, it's points out how our society has "trained" young women to forego their own bodies in taking care of children. It's always been, give the babies formula, nothing natural. Then you have a portion of society as radical as other leftists screaming and berating breast feeding. So who changed this culture, and why? To trap mothers into formula?
Food, always has been, and will always be, a weapon.
 

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I’ve worked as a meat cutter/butcher for a large regional supermarket chain since I was handed my dd214 in the early 90s. The pandemic showed me just how fragile society really is.

Just when we thought customers couldn’t surprise us anymore, we were proved wrong. I could write a small book about all the things we saw people do.

Now, two years later, customers think everything is hunky dory and things are back to normal….the majority haven’t grasped that things will never go back to “normal”.

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To the original question, we have a small handful of neighbors, and we all look out for each other on a regular basis. Hopefully that wouldn’t change.

All of our children would be welcome. Two of live out of state. One has a good support system with his wife’s family so they’re good. The other (and family) would be welcome, but current circumstances would dictate whether they’d attempt the 2-3 hour drive. The one who lives local would be here as soon as they could safely get here.
Working retail will destroy your faith in human nature! 😉

After a while, I stopped being patient with rude people. I remember helping out at the sporting goods counter due to personnel shortages. I was literally running from one side of the store to the other. As soon as I walked up to the counter, an old man started berating me about the "slow service". He angrily demanded I get him a fishing license immediately.

My response: "Sir. Given your disrespectful tone and abusive comments, I will not help you today. I suggest you go somewhere else to buy your license." I turned and walked away. This sort of thing happened constantly during the pandemic. Funny thing... Senior management was so short of guys like me, that they would leave us alone and let us do whatever we wanted.

On some days, the only people running the store were a tiny skeleton crew. As a salaried manager, some days I'd literally be the janitor! I didn't mind the extra work, but had zero patience for mean customers.
 

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Working retail will destroy your faith in human nature! 😉

After a while, I stopped being patient with rude people. I remember helping out at the sporting goods counter due to personnel shortages. I was literally running from one side of the store to the other. As soon as I walked up to the counter, an old man started berating me about the "slow service". He angrily demanded I get him a fishing license immediately.

My response: "Sir. Given your disrespectful tone and abusive comments, I will not help you today. I suggest you go somewhere else to buy your license." I turned and walked away. This sort of thing happened constantly during the pandemic. Funny thing... Senior management was so short of guys like me, that they would leave us alone and let us do whatever we wanted.

On some days, the only people running the store were a tiny skeleton crew. As a salaried manager, some days I'd literally be the janitor! I didn't mind the extra work, but had zero patience for mean customers.
I never worked retail so it's very interesting hearing stories like this. I've been in stores and witnessed people treating employees rudely, and they had to just take it. I always wished they would be able to stand up for themselves and throw the person out if justified.
 

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My great great great grandfather had a 3000 acre plantation in Mississippi
between Tupelo and the southern Tennessee border. Sherman marched
through and burned it down....but, he had 300 black male slaves he bought
in Charleston and he built homes and an infirmary for them, their wives, and children born to them. He got them birth certificates and had a school on the plantation for the children. He didn't treat them as stupid, but the labor partners he needed to operate the plantation and feed everyone. They had Emancipation Papers after 3 years of working on the plantation after being bought at Charleston, but they never got the chance to use them before the war ended, the plantation was burned down, and my grandfather and his sons and wives moved to the Texarkana area.

They raised cotton, but had big gardens and small animals too. He and
his two sons were married to Choctaw Indian women and the men were
artillery officers in the Confederate States Army.

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The point being with that jest, is unprepared people will find themselves as a resource to the abused.

My beliefs prohibit enslaving others, in fact it teaches to give to all who ask. However, even the unprepared can be accommodated and fed if they are given work to contribute to the situation.

Most survivalists I see are looking to blast the scavengers from their bunker foxholes, and this is the low IQ low imagination approach.

People can be a great resource in a SHTF scenario, community will always outlast the individual.

The whole me and mine, bunker hunkerer approach is stupid, the smart division of labor and cooperative effort and specialists idea can leverage way beyond anything an individual can do. Build a micro civilisation and you will fair much better.
 

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The point being with that jest, is unprepared people will find themselves as a resource to the abused.

My beliefs prohibit enslaving others, in fact it teaches to give to all who ask. However, even the unprepared can be accommodated and fed if they are given work to contribute to the situation.

Most survivalists I see are looking to blast the scavengers from their bunker foxholes, and this is the low IQ low imagination approach.

People can be a great resource in a SHTF scenario, community will always outlast the individual.

The whole me and mine, bunker hunkerer approach is stupid, the smart division of labor and cooperative effort and specialists idea can leverage way beyond anything an individual can do. Build a micro civilisation and you will fair much better.
I would agree, generally. The issue is that people, just like dogs or hogs, go feral pretty quickly. Without the constraints of polite society, a lot of generally accepted mores go out the door.
Supplies, food, water, in exchange for work. Sure thing. But do you really want to negotiate that from 10 feet?
Nope. Not me.
You gotta have a workflow that allows for things if if goes sideways.
 

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Anybody here remember the old twilight zone episode called ''shelter'' ??
Its all about a prepper family in the 60s an how vicious their non prepper friends an neighbors become when SHTF an they trash the prepper families bomb shelter an supplies....Its worth a look..
OK for those of you that have satellite TV or cable the SyfyHD channel is showing the Twilight zone episode ''Shelter'' tonight at 10:30 0n Direct TV chan.244 pacific time (calif).You can figure out your own time if you get SyfyHD on another carrier.....30 min of reality,lol......
 

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I never worked retail so it's very interesting hearing stories like this. I've been in stores and witnessed people treating employees rudely, and they had to just take it. I always wished they would be able to stand up for themselves and throw the person out if justified.
Any time you're working with the general public, it's understood that you'll be dealing with some surly characters. During Covid, unruly customers were reaching new levels of crazy.
 

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OK for those of you that have satellite TV or cable the SyfyHD channel is showing the Twilight zone episode ''Shelter'' tonight at 10:30 0n Direct TV chan.244 pacific time (calif).You can figure out your own time if you get SyfyHD on another carrier.....30 min of reality,lol......
Or “ Shelter Skelter “ that made me laugh, twilight zone had some good ones.
 
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