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In a few years London will be blanketed in cameras. AI and 5G will be able to find suspects the moment they step outside. It is possible that crime there will almost become a distant memory because of the certainly that the police will pick you up and your DNA will prove you did it.

I do see a downside, it's what the Chinese use to select a million Uigers for reeducation.

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I don't know about optics of the future but right now there is a way to defeat facial recognition with sing the cameras that we have in place today. All you need to do to disguise yourself from modern cameras is buy a baseball cap, line the brim with infrared led's and power them with a standard 9v battery. It makes a big white spot where your head is supposed to be for the camera. No physical features to see on the other end of the screen.
 
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I don't know about optics of the future but right now there is a way to defeat facial recognition with sing the cameras that we have in place today. All you need to do to disguise yourself from modern cameras is buy a baseball cap, line the brim with infrared led's and power them with a standard 9v battery. It makes a big white spot where your head is supposed to be for the camera. No physical features to see on the other end of the screen.
Could also make you an instant suspect.
 
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Could also make you an instant suspect.
it will unless you have hundreds of people doing it, I wouldn't suggest trying to enter a government building with it
 

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In 10 years your smart phone will be in a contact lens, and 100 times as smart... think about what that entails.
In the future, you cannot tell a lie about where you've been or what you've done because you will get caught. Even now your boss can install cameras to see if you are shortchanging customers but he can't sit there all day watching TV. A.I. will do that for him. Will crime disappear?
 

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In the future, you cannot tell a lie about where you've been or what you've done because you will get caught. Even now your boss can install cameras to see if you are shortchanging customers but he can't sit there all day watching TV. A.I. will do that for him. Will crime disappear?
I suppose people will still commit crimes but they sure as hell won't get away with it.
 

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I don't know about optics of the future but right now there is a way to defeat facial recognition with sing the cameras that we have in place today. All you need to do to disguise yourself from modern cameras is buy a baseball cap, line the brim with infrared led's and power them with a standard 9v battery. It makes a big white spot where your head is supposed to be for the camera. No physical features to see on the other end of the screen.
That may work with video based systems, but it does nothing to impede laser based facial recognition systems. These laser scanning systems can work in total darkness and in bright light and are not defeated by a hat and large sunglasses. They can also be used to track a person's dimensions, gate and other defining traits.

I suppose people will still commit crimes but they sure as hell won't get away with it.
Even with today's technology, which is pretty epic in many locations, the crime clearance rate remains unchanged. In other words, the chances of getting away with a specific crime remains the same. Detectives do less "leg work" and instead have more "screen time" today. Result = Same performance.
 

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I think it's a little closer to home than London - more like Las Vegas. LV has always been on the cutting edge of surveillance. Casinos are probably the most tightly surveilled civilian buildings you will ever enter.
And they don't just have fancy cameras they have thermometers and sniffers and also use biofeedback and subliminal messaging. That's just the techniques we know about.
In 10 years that will be basic security at a Dry Cleaners.
 

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Even with today's technology, which is pretty epic in many locations, the crime clearance rate remains unchanged. In other words, the chances of getting away with a specific crime remains the same. .
I disagree. Every day there is a crime on the local news that I am amazed they caught the perp. Searching for terrorists, hit and runs, robberies... lots of times the criminals are found by the next day - sometimes even the same day - for crimes that were basically unsolvable ten years ago. Last week there was a Florida man who stole a wallet in the airport, walked out to an idling car, jumped in and drove away. Cops picked him up later that day in a restaurant. It's amazing.

I see that London will have a million cameras installed within 5 years and the AI to manage them. We're going to surpass the movie tech "Enemy of the State," soon. There will be so much tracking and evidence available that the bottleneck in preventing crimes will be lack of policemen to go pick them all up, or jails to hold them.
 

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I think it's a little closer to home than London - more like Las Vegas. LV has always been on the cutting edge of surveillance. Casinos are probably the most tightly surveilled civilian buildings you will ever enter.
And they don't just have fancy cameras they have thermometers and sniffers and also use biofeedback and subliminal messaging. That's just the techniques we know about.
In 10 years that will be basic security at a Dry Cleaners.
And yet, the Mandalay Bay was the site of a horrific mass shooting as the shooter casually brought all of his weapons in under the noses of some of the best surveillance in the world.
 

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I think it's a little closer to home than London - more like Las Vegas. LV has always been on the cutting edge of surveillance. Casinos are probably the most tightly surveilled civilian buildings you will ever enter.
And they don't just have fancy cameras they have thermometers and sniffers and also use biofeedback and subliminal messaging. That's just the techniques we know about.
In 10 years that will be basic security at a Dry Cleaners.
Yet, all of that security is tied around one single thing. Money, they could care less who is coming or going as long as the cash flow goes in the right direction it does not matter. I'm surprised you are talking about this in a negative manner because of your leftist ideals and beliefs. Seems rather a conundrum on your part unless that's what you intended in the first place to get more internet hits for this forum as you were hired to do? :thumb:
 

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The surveillance state is, of course a mixed bag, double edged sword, blessing and curse.

The crime solving and crime deterrence and prevention are remarkable benefits. But it will ultimately probably come with our national and global downfall due to the march toward an over-powerful police state.

This forum and all other electronic communications are monitored and stored forever. Hello Big Brother!

The temptation of government, easily corrupted, to consume more control and power are like Skynet. They see the average person as the enemy and there just to support the tax revenues.

You're existence is purely to further the system and you are carefully watched all day and night. Purchases, travel, correspondence, calls, emails, forums, hobbies, habits, diet, exercise, jobs, education, marriage, dating life, vehicles, possessions, income, etc. The government knows everything about you and the cameras are just there to watch you indefinitely.

Imagine if a private person were spying on you this way! You'd get a restraining order against stalking!

For all its benefits, I'm not a fan of the surveillance state.

Going forward, I regret having any photos of myself online. I read that there's apps available now for phones that allow the user to take your picture and it will gather information about you instantly from the internet. In moments a stranger can know anything about you... very creepy and invasive.
 

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I do find it mildly creepy when I take a Uber.

I don't have to tell it where I am, it knows. It also has a list of all the places I might like to go. It has my debit card and a credit card.

No secrets from the Uber. And most of them have cameras.
 
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