So it brought the question to mind, just how far down the toilet would the US have to go before you'd really and truly think there's GOT to be a better place on this globe to call "home"? Would it be time to go looking if, for instance, Hillary got elected next go around? Would it be time to go looking if Hillary got elected the next TWO times around? Would there be a level of corruption at which you would say, "enough" and want out?

Simple answer: When you can find somewhere better.

 

That's going to be the hard part. We'd be happy to have you up here but we still have a lot of liberal bull**** to undo (yes as bad or worse than any of Obama's) and its going to take a while

 

In my case......NEVER!

 

I'd have to agree. I'm going home with the same girl I went to the dance with. Winners never quit and quitters never win.

 

Remember the first time you said "it's not that bad" and now write down everything that has gone bad since then.

It's been bad enough for a while now.

 

Financially, I'm stuck barring the Amazing Lottery Ticket's arrival. I would feel better further out, but it's expensive to move.

 

Just think- is there anywhere truly better than the U.S.? The countries that might be "freer" are surrounded by "less free" countries that could easily conquer the free zone. Imagine how bad off the rest of the world will be when the U.S. slips into totalitarianism.

 

It is not necessarily more or less free than the US, but how well you would be accepted. Even in small towns here in the states, outsiders are treated just like that no matter how long they live there. How is that going to play out in a foreign nation that may or may not necessarily love the US from one decade to the next?

 

It’s not that easy to move to a different country. Unlike the U.S. most other countries I would want to move to do not welcome illegals with open arms and hand them everything. So if that is your plan, you better do some research now. Plus you need to speak the language. I would have already left if it was easier that way.

 

Having lived in a few places outside America, the sad truth is, as bad as we think it is getting, it's still the best place on the planet.

You don't see Mexicans heading to Belize, or Germans going to Switzerland in large groups.

There are places where parts of the equation look good. Health care, or taxes, or whatever. But to get those things, you pay in other ways.

Overall, this is the place to be. If you can stand the stupidity of the masses.

 

I'm Native American, we have already given up enough. I won't be going ANYWHERE.

 

For retirement, Brazil, Costa Rica etc have attracted their share of people relocating.
Brazil had free basic health care anf you used to be able to buy a house on the beach for 40,000 US dollars.

A lot of pros and cons though. Language, crime, tropical diseases.

I still have hope for the USA.

 

My whole issue with these countries (aside from knowing no Portuguese and minimal Spanish) is that as a white guy I stick out like a sore thumb. That makes me a "rich" target. Not to mention nobody is going to have my back when things go downhill. Right now they are likely good retirement countries. As soon as the balloon goes up anyone that looks different than the "natives" will not have a good time.

As to the OP: I'll stick with the USA until I'm dead because if we go down the rest of the world will go with us. That leaves nowhere to run to.

 

I've been to numerous countries and associated sewers in the world while doing 26 years and 20 days in America's Navy. There is no better country than the USA.The People and our freedoms make America exceptional.

My son is now carrying on the family business as a U.S. Marine. We will be going nowhere. This great country will stand forever.

 

Thank you! I wish more people could see this.:thumb:

I've been lots of places as well, this is still the best place on earth to me. Tired of hearing how bad it is here by people who call themselves patriots but have done nothing for this country and yet to see any place but their small town.

 

Heck no, I'm not going anywhere just because a bunch of lunatics took over and duped the lazy, fat, less intelligent part of our population. It will always happen, has since the man's first civilization. I'll be 6 ft under before I give up just cause the going got tough..

 

This is home. I like how Johnny Cash says it.

Ragged Old Flag

I walked through a county courthouse square
On a park bench, an old man was sittin' there.
I said, "Your old court house is kinda run down,*
He said, "Naw, it'll do for our little town".*
I said, "Your old flag pole is leaned a little bit,
*And that's a ragged old flag you got hangin' on it".
He said, "Have a seat", and I sat down,*
"Is this the first time you've been to our little town"
I said, "I think it is"
He said "I don't like to brag,
but we're kinda proud of That Ragged Old Flag"

You see, we got a little hole in that flag there,
When Washington took it across the Delaware.
and It got powder burned the night Francis Scott Key
sat watching it,*writing "Say Can You See"
It got a rip in New Orleans, with Packingham & Jacksontugging at its seams.
and It almost fell at the Alamo*beside the Texas flag,
But she waved on though.
She got cut with a sword at Chancellorsville,
And she got cut again at Shiloh Hill.
There was Robert E. Lee and Beauregard and Bragg,
And the south wind blew hard onThat Ragged Old Flag

"On Flanders Field in World War I,
She got a big hole from a Bertha Gun,
She turned blood red in World War II
She hung limp, and low, a time or two,
She was in Korea, Vietnam,
She went where she was sent
by her Uncle Sam.
She waved from our ships upon the briny foam
and now they've about quit wavin' back here at home
in her own good land here She's been abused,
She's been burned, dishonored, denied an' refused,
And the government for which she stands
Has been scandalized throughout out the land.
And she's getting thread bare, and she's wearin' thin,
But she's in good shape, for the shape she's in.
Cause she's been through the fire before
and i believe she can take a whole lot more.

"So we raise her up every morning
And we bring her down slow every night,
We don't let her touch the ground,
And we fold her up right.
On second thoughtI *do* like to brag
Cause I'm mighty proud of
That Ragged Old Flag"

 

Youtube link with Johnny doing the voiceover (you know you read it in his voice anyway:thumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6vwXbQZvJo

 

Interesting comments! Thanks, guys!

One thing I seem to be getting from a number of you is that you don't believe that the US will ever step down low enough to be in a position that going other places is a step up. I hope you're right, sincerely.

I suspect I'm too poor to have the kind of mobility to travel abroad anyway so I'm probably stuck whether I wanted to leave or not.

 

I suspect I'm too poor to have the kind of mobility to travel abroad anyway so I'm probably stuck whether I wanted to leave or not.

Have a decently marketable skill? Look towards a contract in a foreign country, some contracts are required to have American citizens fill.

 

I'm not going anywhere, but I have heard people say they will leave when a foreign flag flies over a capitol.....never happen.....

 

This topic always comes up, in which i always respond "Go where?"

you guys are dreaming if you think anywhere else is going to be less screwed up than here, if you honestly believe that, you have not actually lived in whatever fantasy country or location you have in mind, there's a big difference in going somewhere and living for a bit and going there and being a citizen..bureaucracy exists in every country on this planet and until you've been entangled in that bureaucracy like you have been here in the US it's very hard to make an accurate assessment of what is "better".....

that is unless your socialist or communist, then yes, there's lot of other countries that are better to live in....but if freedom means anything to you, then there's really no better place to live than right here in America...

i say this as having moved from a socialistic country to America because i wanted freedom...i had lots of places i could have chosen from within the common wealth/EU alone, i chose to be American. the grass isn't greener guys...

 

I have had the same argument here with a lot of people that all they do is whine and bitch about the USA being a socialist/country..I was born and lived in one for the first 14 years of my life and it makes my blood boil when I here all this nonsense about how bad america is..does it have issues and problems? yes but by far it is the greatest country in the world...Bitch about America then move to Iran or Cuba, North Korea, Ethiopia, an a zillion other countries.. The western european countries are the only ones that may come close and they all have higher taxes and super strict gun control laws....

 

I figured I'd beat the rush. I've already left. :

 

And you picked a beautiful place to go to!!

I know the US and Canada are different countries with different laws and different problems. But I find a sort of kindred spirit and like mindedness between many of the more conservative of our two countries. Kinda like we're cousins, not all that far removed.

 

There is also some contract positions in Antarctica if you are really interested.

I looked into going to work as a contractor in Antarctica and everything I read was that they are difficult to break in to. Apparently, those jobs are heavily sought after.

Going to Antarctia is one item on my bucket list.

 

If this country of ours gets so bad to where other countries look good,hell might as well go down with the ship.

 

Yep, and that will never happen. The US is the freightliner that every tugboat (countries) are tied to. If the US sinks so does the world.

 

While many countries' governments are worse than ours, there are also many too weak to inflict their "policies" upon much of their rural population.

The Indonesian government, for instance. enjoys less power the further you get from Jaktara, and there are regions near the southwestern coast of Africa which only see visits from their countries' governments once in a generation, if that.

Then again, there are plenty of places here in America where one could disappear for the rest of their lives, if such was their will -- Ozarks, Appalachians, Alaska, etc.

 

While many countries' governments are worse than ours, there are also many too weak to inflict their "policies" upon much of their rural population.

The Indonesian government, for instance. enjoys less power the further you get from Jaktara, and there are regions near the southwestern coast of Africa which only see visits from their countries' governments once in a generation, if that.

Then again, there are plenty of places here in America where one could disappear for the rest of their lives, if such was their will -- Ozarks, Appalachians, Alaska, etc.

exactly.

As I've said before:

A guy on the road before mine has lived there since the 70's.

Never seen a cop or game warden.

Road crew 1x/year to do minimal maintance is about it.

Thoughtful post! Thanks for sharing.

I've put some research into it.
If you have any countries you'd offer up as an alternative.... I'd welcome it.

 

It's already bad enough (to leave the U.S.). Our military is training to take over "hostile" (their word, not mine) US states, the police are militarized and are being turned against non-civilians, our legislative and judicial branches are hopelessly corrupted, and our president is effectively a dictator. Historically, bad things happen when these ingredients are combined.

The smart money has already left these shores for the Southern Hemisphere, Asia, or the South Pacific. I would have gone a year or two ago, but, my wife simply isn't ready to give up, yet.

 

We don't need to jump ship, we need to fix the ship we have...and if it's too damaged to be fixed, lets blow it up and build a new one.

Revolution of some sort is going to be the only answer, the question is...when is the breaking point of "enough is enough"?

 

Heck, even if another country is better, I wouldn't leave. I'd rather die here than elsewhere.

 

When Obama first got elected, my wife and I both were so fed up we decided to consider moving out of country. We had already picked up the kids, the dogs, and the junk and moved 2600 miles from the east coast to Montana, just because I wanted to, so it wouldn't be a huge leap for us to move out of the country - we understood what it takes and had made a huge move before. Also, my wife is not American (she's British) and I have traveled extensively overseas, so we were more prepared psychologically than some others might be to make the move.

We looked around at various countries; England, Scotland, etc. Too crowded, taxes too high, etc.

We researched New Zealand. They won't take just anybody - you have to have a skill the country needs. My wife was an RN so we could have made the move. If I remember right, her being British helped somewhat too for some reason. At first that made me hesitate, but then I thought, well good, they keep out the riffraff.

Then I looked at the gun laws of NZ. Admittedly, they're not as bad as some countries, but it was at that point that I realized that, as bad as the US was getting, it is still one of the only (if not THE only) country where citizens have the right to bear arms for the purpose of preventing tyranny of their own government.

Even if they claim to have less crime in countries with tight gun laws, I'd rather have my freedom here.

Short answer: I've looked and the US is still the best place to live.

 

Quite a number of the Hollywood liberals have said they'd leave America each time a Republican president was elected. Only a few made good on their promise. So even the rats aren't just yet jumping ship.

 

Rush and Ted decided to stay a little while longer and Ted isn't in jail, so there is that...also I don't see televangelists encouraging their congregation to move to Israel. They all know the only place they can make any money is here.

 

If we get hit by an EMP, Yellowstone eruption, or complete breakdown of the economy, the government estimates 100 million to die in the first 6 months. No prepping, inner cities without sewage and fresh water, people killing each other over food, etc.

America can do something about an EMP by hardening the electric grid.

We can do something about the economy by doing away with free trade agreements with 3rd world countries, cutting federal spending, and lowering taxes and having tax breaks for money spent on prepping and/or alternate energy sources.

We can't do anything about Yellowstone unless we drill around it to help relieve pressure. Nor can we do anything about earthquakes except move people away from fault lines and harden other areas.

We can't do anything about someone who wishes to launch an EMP nuke overhead except have the capability to shoot it down.

I don't see any of this happening, but where else can people go.