whats in my bug out kit and WHY?

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the_marine

Discussion Starter · Aug 15, 2012

ok so I have scoured numerious forums, looking for what people are putting into there Bug out bags/kits. I am by no means an authoritarian on this subject but I do have experience as a former member of the us military. so with that being said I will post up pics of my BOK and i will try to explain why i grabed those things to put into it , my kit is not definitive and is ever expanding so I will start with my small pack contents

1) my knife, yes it is a bear grylls knife, i like it. It is strong and tough plus I like having the extra fero rod plus the sharpener it offers.
2) compass/ map (not pictured is my protractor.) if SHTF lets face it gps is probably not going to work and in my AO the terrain is very steep one must know how to navigate
3)climbing webbing, very strong for towing and can be improvised into a harness if needed along with numorious other things
4) gatorade self explainitory
5)distress strobe. if needed for signaling and rescue.
6)pen and paper (self explanitory)
7)green tin ( ha ha thats classified goes boom)
8)bags at top pancake mix, coffee more gatorade
9)extra surefire batteries
10)surfire flash light
11) gloves and beenie
12) 200 Pellets ( more on this later)
13) steripen great piece of gear if you havent heard of one go check it out
14)black bag - prescious metals (gold and silver)
15)Machette
16)Nalgene bottle
17)drop holster
18)condor pouch ( man purse

) pics of this below
19 emergency blanket.

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the_marine

Discussion Starter · #21 · Aug 15, 2012

to Drobs thanks you for your appoloogy and will issue one as well I appologise. I can understand your point from one military memeber to another yes there are alot of posers , that being said i think we got that out of the way.

on to my reason for pellet guns. yes I understand how to shoot, but with all the legislation being passed about ammo I dont think its a smart idea, abd for those of you with firearms that say they will shoot someone who trys to take. i have a serious question for you .

have you ever had to kill someone? its a lot different to say it but its a whole nother story when it come time to act

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the_marine

Discussion Starter · #22 · Aug 15, 2012

Drobs thank you and I appologise , As you can tell I dont like my training questioned , how ever I can see your reason for doing so , and I hope we can move on from this .

I posted my pellet rifle as a way to show people that a firearm is not needed for everything. and look at it this way , the ammo has a shelf life. and wieght , i know alot of you have stick piled ammo. have you ever thought that that stuff weighs alot ? if you want to protect yourself get body armor, guns are an offensive weapon in most cases, and about the only good that a pistol does you is in the city.

now your at your BOL and now you have to hunt. yes I know you may have a deer rifle , but if its just you are you going to kill a deer and be able to preserve all the meat? maybe but most likly not. so I stick to small game.

and I am willing to bet my .22 pellet rifle is more accurate than most .22lr as well . mine is zeroed for 100 yds and will do it all day long ,

MikeK

· #23 · Aug 15, 2012

I'm a huge air rifle proponent. But not for a bug out bag. They make .22 adapters for AR-15s and adapter cartridges that let you shoot them in other 5.56/.223 guns. To me, this seems like a better solution. At least in my area, where small game is not as abundant nor as close range. Though I do have airguns at my home in the city for urban hunting, and at the BOL for small game hunting.

Somnophore

· #24 · Aug 15, 2012

You're lucky in the states that you don't have power limits with air guns, therefore they're even better choice for small game as they will have more power and range than what we have to deal with in the UK. I'm getting ok with my catapult now and out to 20 yards it try that first just because with 12.5mm lead balls it's putting out nearly twice the power of my air rifle.

the_marine

Discussion Starter · #25 · Aug 15, 2012

I totly agree with you mike . however like i said there where determining factors why i chose this weapon. ammo is cheap, light. abundant, guiet, and has knock down power, i have gone pig hunting with it on my buddys property and have succsefully taken a pig with it . here in CA it is legal to hunt with a .22 air rifle for small game.

anchorbanger

· #26 · Aug 15, 2012

+1 on the SDU-5.

Besides obvious signaling uses, get yourself some firecrackers and turn that thing on for a diversion.

the_marine

Discussion Starter · #27 · Aug 15, 2012

yes its it a peice of usefulle gear isnt it Anchor ? lol

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arleigh

· #28 · Aug 15, 2012

First I would like to say , thank you for your service .
Second, be patient , we are not all key bord Natzies.
3rd, I am impressed with your choices.
If they are a reflection of your skill level I am very impressed.
Ideally one should be avoiding combat ,not wadeing into it.
Have you looked into the Pre Charged Penumatic air rifles ? Some are quite formidable weapons,capable of significant game .
That and a bullet mold for making your own ammo, scavaging lead from other rounds ,wheel weights and batteries.
Though it is not true with all , some Co2 guns do not like being left fully charged all the time ,although I understand the pure joy of shooting them , I have several.
Crosman stil makes a pump pistol single shot (sigh) and no scope , but being pump fully power adjustable and no CO2 required.
Is your rifle a gas charged or spring piston?
I have a spring piston Beeman that cost way too much, and the spring turned to a worm and started wearing out the chamber the piston seals compress in. it's basicly junk .
But the gas piston is intregueing to me .
What are you feelings about compound bow and arrows as a more lethal defensive tool ?

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the_marine

Discussion Starter · #29 · Aug 15, 2012

Arliegh you raise great points. first let me work from the bottom up

Archery . yes very deadly for use against human and big game alike .but as a competetive archer you must understand that unkown distance will be your enemy, in any instence you must be able to judge distance accuratley as that will be your worst thing to overcome regaurdless of your wepon of choice.

I have looked into pcp guns however you have a few options, cost is very high in some of them , you can run them on co2 or air. both have advantages and disadvangages , or you can use a pump.

air requires a pump or a scuba tank ( not lugging one of those around)
and co2 requires you to refill or have a lot with you.

mine is a benjamin trail NP meaning nitro piston. can stay cocked for monthes with out adverse problems. yes springs do wear out and break down . that is why i opted for a nitro piston. as far as caliber goes , i would not get anything below a .22 cal.
a .177 is high velocity yes but it lacks stopping power in small game , be very weary of manufacturers stating 1000-1200 fps as this is only accomplished with pellets of a low weight like say a 4.5 Grn pellet but what they do not tell you is that with the increase in velocity you are trading for a DEcrease in accuracy. and my friends accuracy is your best friend so you have to find a happy medium in that you have a high velocity with high accuracy, but thats not all you must also account for muzzle energy at the target, it does you no good to fire 800 fps with extreme accuracy if the projectile feels like a paper ball struck the target.

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bltjr1951

· #30 · Aug 15, 2012

Heck with the B&M.
How do you refill your CO2?
What other food do you have besides pancakes and coffee?
Unless you think you're going to hunt to eat every meal?
Are you near water too?
Or are you near the woods others claim they are going to?

And yes, you misspell big time. Go back and reread your posts.

arleigh

· #31 · Aug 15, 2012

Actually I use a range finder and preset pins on the bow that make targeting quite simple as a matter of fact , especially for an old guy like me.
I have other ideas as welll to improve archery targeting as well ,but that is another discusion.
What's you pistol ?
I have several favorites; Colt defender ,Jericho, HK USP, and steel storm , just to name a few.
I have read good things about the benjaman nitro, I have an old blue streak in 5 mil ,a powerful tool to be sure.
I am looking at making a mold for the 5m and .22 as well . in the event I must resort to it ,it is a nice option to fall back on.
I do not plan to bug out to the bush , too many people headed that way for my comfort.
Best of luck to you though.

MikeK

· #32 · Aug 15, 2012

the_marine said:
as far as caliber goes , i would not get anything below a .22 cal.
a .177 is high velocity yes but it lacks stopping power in small game , be very weary of manufacturers stating 1000-1200 fps as this is only accomplished with pellets of a low weight like say a 4.5 Grn pellet but what they do not tell you is that with the increase in velocity you are trading for a DEcrease in accuracy. and my friends accuracy is your best friend so you have to find a happy medium in that you have a high velocity with high accuracy, but thats not all you must also account for muzzle energy at the target, it does you no good to fire 800 fps with extreme accuracy if the projectile feels like a paper ball struck the target.

That's the same thing I have been trying to tell people for years. But for some reason, some people can't get past velocity as the most important paper number, when it is not.

And in my years of small game hunting with air guns, I have found .22 infinately more effective than .177. Not to mention subsonic all the way to the target, which is another bonus.

the_marine

Discussion Starter · #33 · Aug 15, 2012

to bltjr1951 I'm sorry you are so concerned with spelling , it never has been my forte` my skills have always centered on math and science. but with that being said, why are you so concerned about spelling? i understand if it so bad you can not dicern what I am saying but out of my whole post you chose to comment on my spelling? ok

and as far as co2 I dont refill it thats what the canisters are for.

the food issue, i posted whats in my bok not whats in my supplies and what is staged in my BOV

I dont share everything with anyone online , I posted this stuff as an alternitive look at what someone else may find usefull.
here is my final thought to you sir/maam I may be new but that will change with time, but you seem to have an attitude problem and I will not stand for it at all. this is over the internet and you may be a cool guy but please take the keybard naziism down a notch ok?

arleigh my pistol is a berretta PX4 storm

the_marine

Discussion Starter · #34 · Aug 15, 2012

MikeK said:
That's the same thing I have been trying to tell people for years. But for some reason, some people can't get past velocity as the most important paper number, when it is not.

And in my years of small game hunting with air guns, I have found .22 infinately more effective than .177. Not to mention subsonic all the way to the target, which is another bonus.

mike you sir are one educated shooter and i thank you , lol. I would hope that before some people start bashing the effectiveness of a pellet rifle that they would perhaps do some research on the subject first. im not talking about a cheap 20 bb gun for wally world , these weapons on the market are highly tuned accurate and deadly .

if you want to see how effective an airgun can be look up dan quackenbush and his airguns that have taken down water buffallo.

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bltjr1951

· #35 · Aug 15, 2012

the_marine said:
to bltjr1951 I'm sorry you are so concerned with spelling , but with that being said, why are you so concerned about spelling? but out of my whole post you chose to comment on my spelling? ok

and as far as co2 I dont refill it thats what the canisters are for.

the food issue, i posted whats in my bok

here is my final thought to you sir/maam I may be new but that will change with time, but you seem to have an attitude problem and I will not stand for it at all.

You are the one that said you didn't misspell and apologized IF you did.

And when you run out of canisters, HOW DO YOU REFILL YOUR CO2?

Everyone's BOK has 72hrs of food/water, unless you're one of those fasters?

Here's my final thought to you, welcome to my ignore list.

the_marine

Discussion Starter · #36 · Aug 15, 2012

thanks for putting me on it and I will kindly thank you to stay off this thread since you have nothing contributory to add

Draugr

· #37 · Aug 15, 2012

Very nice kit the_marine. One question for you, how do you start fires with condoms. That's very interesting to me.

Rickroll

· #38 · Aug 15, 2012

the_marine said:
3rd those of you with firearms ( most not all) are only thinking of protecting your family , not actully hunting with them , if you have to go hunt with that ar-15 you have are you really going to hunt a squirrel or rabbit with it ? i dont think so , there would be nothing left right? lol and you have sound to contest with , untill things calm down you may not want to go out hunting with that big powder weapon for fear of giving away your postion to others , be it the GOVT. or others who mean to take your stuff. and that 30.06 you have that you went rabbit hunting with, and missed ? the sound probably just scared all animal life for the next few hours or so .

I think this is the part that set a few people off, it comes off rather condenscending. It is worded to show you are right and everyone else is wrong. And if you put something about your gear in the public eye, such as here, expect some to not like it and critique it.

And not to be a spelling Nazi, but yes, it helps your cause GREATLY when proving a point if you can spell properly for what your cause is. Don't sweat it, it happens here quite often.

Overall, except for weapon choice, I think your loadout is ok, but nothing to brag about. If you want specifics, by all means, I will provide them.

Oh ya, since you seem to judge people by service, I did 17 years Army active, 5 Reserves.

the_marine

Discussion Starter · #39 · Aug 15, 2012

first thanks for your service. I'm quite sure that if I were face to face with many of you I would have no problem conveying why i feel the way i do about my gear, but since this is the internet, i can not convey what is behind the words that I am typing.

i have said many times and even in the title of my thread this is MY bok and Why I have the items chosen , i have never made the claim that I have the best kit, instead of posting pics and letting others tell me what should or should not be in it , I instead chose to explain why i put certain items in .

again in my post (first) i did say that my pack is not complete and is expanding , so please can you and the others get off your high horse and keep the replies relevent? i see why your forum has many new people quit your forum.

notice this is not an attack on you , i think it starts with people jumping to conclusions and making assumptions about people before getting all the relavent information.

again I would like to thank you for your service as well but come on people is this really what this thread has turned into ?

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stugpanzer

· #40 · Aug 15, 2012

Thanks for sharing the_marine!

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