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They come after your guns? It may not be far off. In my opinion there will be no election, Bush will put his "Law" he signed in I bleieve May of '07 into effect canceling the elections and dissolving the senate and congress and assume his more or less dictorial powers...

Here is the article on his "Law" he signed...

Bush makes power grab
By Jerome Corsi
World Net Daily
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Posted: May 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president.
The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator.
That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.
The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government."

Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.
Ironically, the directive sees no contradiction in the assumption of dictatorial powers by the president with the goal of maintaining constitutional continuity through an emergency.
The directive specifies that the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism will be designated as the National Continuity Coordinator.
Further established is a Continuity Policy Coordination Committee, chaired by a senior director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, to be "the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination."
Currently, the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism is Frances Fragos Townsend.
Townsend spent 13 years at the Justice Department before moving to the U.S. Coast Guard where she served as assistant commandant for intelligence.
She is a White House staff member in the executive office of the president who also chairs the Homeland Security Council, which as a counterpart to the National Security Council reports directly to the president.
The directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created there for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."
A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the president "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."


The CRS study notes that the National Emergency Act sets up congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority," if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.
Homeland Security spokesperson Russ Knocke affirmed that the Homeland Security Department will be implementing the requirements of NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 under Townsend's direction.
The White House had no comment.

Better start thinking of what to do when.... :eek:
 

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So how is this executive powers declaration different than the ones Clinton, HW, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Hoover, FDR, and every other Constitution twisting despot have signed in just about every administration in the past?

Example;
Bill Clinton declared a state of national emergency over the unrest in East Timor.
I was there at the time.
It was no emergency for USA.
I also recall there being a whole bunch of hype that Clinton would suspend elections as well.
Ain't gonna happen.
Have the so called CSR look into that.
 

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If you look this up on the net you will see that once he signed this it became law, He granted more powers to his office then any other prez ever dreamed of...

Difference being they all had the same Ex power to do this but Bush is the ONLY that did it... It is now law you can find it on the whitehouse website even...
 

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Well you only have 3 options in the situation you outlined.
1 - Fight
2 - Hide
3 - Surrender

I personally don't believe Bush is going to attempt this, although the legal framework is there for it to be tried.
 

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Only time will tell, call it a gut feeling...
 
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There seems to be a bunch more "experts" on TV now saying this is something you should not rule out...
 

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There seems to be a bunch more "experts" on TV now saying this is something you should not rule out...

OK Gunner: If it doesnt happen like you say, and either McCain or the Obamination is pres in January, do you promise to leave this survival forum?

(for ever)

please check one below

yes______

no_______

idiot_____

put up or shut up, we are waiting !
 

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What the the harsh words for? If you don't like me or my post, it is simple, Don't read them...
I don't know you and I bet I don't want to know you...

I said this is a gut feeling, I did not say it will happen 100%...
wow calm down pal....
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just like charleston heston said, "theyll have to pull my guns from my cold dead hands" thats how i figure it, im willing to fight for my rights its just are you all willing to? i cant fight it alone, i dont even know where to start
 

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just like charleston heston said, "theyll have to pull my guns from my cold dead hands" thats how i figure it, im willing to fight for my rights its just are you all willing to? i cant fight it alone, i dont even know where to start
You know what Heston would say if he were alive today?


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I will fight for our God given rights... Plain and simple...
 

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Farmboy why the harsh words? What did I do to you?
OK Gunner: If it doesnt happen like you say, and either McCain or the Obamination is pres in January, do you promise to leave this survival forum?

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idiot_____

put up or shut up, we are waiting !


Oh well I hope you refill your meds soon...
 

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They come after your guns? It may not be far off. In my opinion there will be no election, Bush will put his "Law" he signed in I bleieve May of '07 into effect canceling the elections and dissolving the senate and congress and assume his more or less dictorial powers...

Here is the article on his "Law" he signed...

Bush makes power grab
By Jerome Corsi
World Net Daily
________________________________________
Posted: May 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president.
The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator.
That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.
The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government."

Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.
Ironically, the directive sees no contradiction in the assumption of dictatorial powers by the president with the goal of maintaining constitutional continuity through an emergency.
The directive specifies that the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism will be designated as the National Continuity Coordinator.
Further established is a Continuity Policy Coordination Committee, chaired by a senior director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, to be "the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination."
Currently, the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism is Frances Fragos Townsend.
Townsend spent 13 years at the Justice Department before moving to the U.S. Coast Guard where she served as assistant commandant for intelligence.
She is a White House staff member in the executive office of the president who also chairs the Homeland Security Council, which as a counterpart to the National Security Council reports directly to the president.
The directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created there for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."
A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the president "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."


The CRS study notes that the National Emergency Act sets up congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority," if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.
Homeland Security spokesperson Russ Knocke affirmed that the Homeland Security Department will be implementing the requirements of NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 under Townsend's direction.
The White House had no comment.

Better start thinking of what to do when.... :eek:
If you dont like Bush thats ok , this is a free country
This really belongs in the tinfoil hat section.
 

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Ask your dr for some samples of something new...
 

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Hey King....!

I have heard that Oct" comment a few times now in a bunch of places... but don't go by me, according to FB I should leave...:taped:
 

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I've heard "...they're going to suspend the elections" every election since 1980. I think I have martial law fatigue.

When there's tanks on the streets, and I mean lots and lots of streets, then I'll buy into it.


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