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I'm wondering what I can feed dogs when I'm self sufficient. I'm almost there, but having other animals makes it harder.

I am planning on getting border collies (maybe up to three) to help me with goats and moving them. Other than table scraps what can I feed them? How can I make a dog food that would be suitable? I have a large garden that I can, and can't/don't eat all of it in a year, not yet anyways (if SHTF in might be different). Does anyone have a homemade dog food for such creatures?

This is just an idea. I don't have enough goats to move all the time yet, but there are entire societies that have existed off of goats and I am studying them for such an instance as SHTF, or if I get bored with working. [
 

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I am planning on getting border collies (maybe up to three) to help me with goats and moving them. [
If you've never owned Border Collies, you're in for quite an experience. They are best on sheep because sheep have a flocking instinct that goats don't seem to have and will gather together when the dog approaches. Goats are another story. Three goats can run in five different directions!

Just kidding, but they *are* harder for the dogs to manage. I've worked both, and the dogs certainly can do it, but it is more of a challenge.

I'm down to 3 BC's now and no longer train or compete with them, but they are an absolute joy to own. I've had lots of breeds over the years but my first BC convinced me I'd found the best breed for me.

One word of advice -- Like the German Shepherd Dog, Border Collies have been the victims of back-yard breeders and puppy mills. Find a local Stockdog Association and talk to the members. They can point you to a quality breeder. But insist on seeing both parents actually WORKING before you buy. A poorly bred one will be a nightmare to own.

You will find that they are wonderful companions as well as indispensable partners when handling livestock.
 

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I know someone with friends in Colorado, they shoot a deer in the dead of winter... the malamutes do the rest, I've seen pictures of the aftermath.
 

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As I stated in another thread... I buy the pure meat canned dog food, and mix it with rice and veggies. It's rather comical.... my 2yr old wild child Lab mix, turns her nose up at the mix (but eventually eats it, due to hunger). My old lady ShihTzu mix turns her nose up at the pure canned stuff, and will GOBBLE DOWN her plate of mixed and gobble down the other plate also. By the time the Lab decides she's hungry enough to eat the mix.... all gone!!! LOL (hence the little one, is quite the porker)
 

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The problem with a raw diet( especially chicken and eggs) is if you have chickens, they will tend to see them as food( I've seen several breeds take a liking to eggs). We raise Malamutes and chickens and they see them as food even on dog food. This will be the last Malamutes, as we plan to transition to BC. We'll feed them a diet of 50% rice and 50% organs and bones, but it'll always be cooked.
 

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I've seen a bunch of recipes online for dog food. Mostly it's grain, meat scraps, etc. Things you'll probably be producing anyway. I'd do some google searching. There is probably a lot more information now than when I was actively searching for recipes about 10 years back.
 

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I don't have dogs right now, but I've known several people (and I used to do this myself for my "grandpuppy") who feed their dogs rice and meat scraps (beef, chicken, pork) mixed with chicken or beef broth.

I think one of the biggies in the dry food (Purine One or Iams or one of those) advertise heavily on the rice and ... (lamb, etc) being such a good diet for dogs.

Good luck!
 

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I have 3 cats and would never give them up. One hates people food. One has FUTD and has to have a prescription food that I can only get at the vet. I have been worried about this myself in case I can't get the food. Two of them love spaghetti. All are indoor cats. But I lived in the boonies this summer. The one with futd immediately caught a mouse in the house. He escaped outside and within minutes came back with another mouse. And he also caught a bat on the porch. Another one escaped outside and caught a bird in midair while it was trying to fly from the bird feeder. I'm not worried about them. The youngest is 16 pounds, fat and lazy and afraid of his own shadow. If he saw a mouse he'd probably run and hide. He's the one that won't eat people food. But I think if they're hungry enough they'll eat anything. Just like we probably would. I think hunger would send us back to our more primtive side. Right now all three of the fat, lovable slobs are sleeping on my bed. LOL
 

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I have 3 cats and would never give them up. One hates people food. One has FUTD and has to have a prescription food that I can only get at the vet. I have been worried about this myself in case I can't get the food. Two of them love spaghetti. All are indoor cats. But I lived in the boonies this summer. The one with futd immediately caught a mouse in the house. He escaped outside and within minutes came back with another mouse. And he also caught a bat on the porch. Another one escaped outside and caught a bird in midair while it was trying to fly from the bird feeder. I'm not worried about them. The youngest is 16 pounds, fat and lazy and afraid of his own shadow. If he saw a mouse he'd probably run and hide. He's the one that won't eat people food. But I think if they're hungry enough they'll eat anything. Just like we probably would. I think hunger would send us back to our more primtive side. Right now all three of the fat, lovable slobs are sleeping on my bed. LOL
they say domesticated cats are the most effecient "killers" of all feline species(meaning they kill a larger variety of creatures than any other cats large or small..alot of insects and such)..only problem is they kill just for the fun of it and often do not eat their prey..i have a himalayan and hes quite adept....as far as my pitbull is concerned im of a mind to follow Texas Patriots advice...and hope she doesnt try to nibble on me when no socialists can be found.
 

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they say domesticated cats are the most effecient "killers" of all feline species(meaning they kill a larger variety of creatures than any other cats large or small..alot of insects and such)..only problem is they kill just for the fun of it and often do not eat their prey..i have a himalayan and hes quite adept....as far as my pitbull is concerned im of a mind to follow Texas Patriots advice...and hope she doesnt try to nibble on me when no socialists can be found.
LOL Yeah. When my cats catch something they play with it for a while, throw it up in the air and such but they do kill it. Then they bring it to me for a present. Yuck. But if they were hungry they would eat it. All three of mine catch bugs and flies and they eat them. Moths make them puke though. I'm afraid of spiders. One time I was sitting on the toilet and a big spider was coming toward me on the floor. I yelled Moochie! He came flying from upstairs and ate it. Not kidding.
 

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Dogs are carnivores....okay?

Do you eat meat?

It will be basically a share of food. Their bodies aren't THAT different from ours...

There is no reason why a dog shouldn't be able to take NATURAL food. I wonder how long humans have had dogs before people were buying "dog food"....
 

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rice and chicken are two very good things to feed dogs. Especially if their sick. And raw meat is better for them than cooked stuff. You dont really want to feed them a ton of table scraps because its not exactly healthy for them. But after SHTF you gotta do what you gotta do. Plus some things are BAD for dogs, like grapes.
 

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Dogs are carnivores....okay?

Do you eat meat?

It will be basically a share of food. Their bodies aren't THAT different from ours...

There is no reason why a dog shouldn't be able to take NATURAL food. I wonder how long humans have had dogs before people were buying "dog food"....
But youve gotta realize 95% of dogs are insanely domesticated and many may not want to hunt and some may die before they figure out how to hunt and forage. Wild dogs are taught by their mothers and peers on how to be self sufficent. If you buy a "designer" breed from a puppy mill or a store or even a private owner that dog probably aint gonna hunt lol.

And I hope I didnt take your words out of context, you may have just meant that dogs will eat whatever you give them in place of dog food, if so im sorry for my brain fart lol.
 

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If you've never owned Border Collies, you're in for quite an experience. They are best on sheep because sheep have a flocking instinct that goats don't seem to have and will gather together when the dog approaches. Goats are another story. Three goats can run in five different directions!

Just kidding, but they *are* harder for the dogs to manage. I've worked both, and the dogs certainly can do it, but it is more of a challenge.

I'm down to 3 BC's now and no longer train or compete with them, but they are an absolute joy to own. I've had lots of breeds over the years but my first BC convinced me I'd found the best breed for me.

One word of advice -- Like the German Shepherd Dog, Border Collies have been the victims of back-yard breeders and puppy mills. Find a local Stockdog Association and talk to the members. They can point you to a quality breeder. But insist on seeing both parents actually WORKING before you buy. A poorly bred one will be a nightmare to own.

You will find that they are wonderful companions as well as indispensable partners when handling livestock.
Totally agree with the border collies...they are awesome! They are so easy to train because of their high intelligence...considered the most intelligent of all dogs. They are serious about their jobs and take pride in their own success, especially when they know it pleases you too.
The dogs can also be taught to hunt with you. My 8-year-old border collie hasn't been trained to hunt but can round ANYTHING up...I think she finds every single creature around and scares it out of hiding. She could earn her own supper most days if she were taught to go hunting with someone, and she'd probably love it.
A border collie is also a small to medium sized dog. Mine is a little over 40 pounds, which makes a difference in food costs. I stock canned dog food the same as human food. She eats less than a third of a can a day over a little kibble and a few bone biscuits for a treat, along with a few meat scraps. A couple of times a week I feed her a small can of cat food, especially in the winter, because it has more fat in it. All this would be altered some in a SHTF scene.
Their personalities are wonderful too. Mine likes to get me laughing and knows how to do it!
 
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