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Anything that does not involve me rolling around on the ground with another guy...Same reason I quit wrestling after 1 practice I don't like guys touching me or getting that hands on with me. Its just really weird in my opinion and I choose not to deal with it.
 
Anything that does not involve me rolling around on the ground with another guy...Same reason I quit wrestling after 1 practice I don't like guys touching me or getting that hands on with me. Its just really weird in my opinion and I choose not to deal with it.
You sound a little paranoid and insecure in your manhood. I am guessing you have never been in a physical fight? It's always up close and personal. Or maybe you just need to grow up.
 
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Anything that does not involve me rolling around on the ground with another guy...Same reason I quit wrestling after 1 practice I don't like guys touching me or getting that hands on with me. Its just really weird in my opinion and I choose not to deal with it.
Given a choice I would much rather settle a fight on my feet. Yet in the real world things don't always go as planned. Grappling and ground fighting are necessary parts of realistic training. Didn't you ever wrestle around with your cousins, siblings or friends growing up? The 1st time you ever spar with a BJJ or Judo stylist will be an eye opening experience.
 
I'm really interested in the Filipino martial arts. Kali, Escrima and Silat. The systems seem no-nonsense and effective. They also cover a large range of weapons from sticks/batons, knives, swords and tomahawks.

Second pick would be Krav Maga. Also no nonsense and effective, but just doesn't click the same on a personal level.
 
Anything that does not involve me rolling around on the ground with another guy...Same reason I quit wrestling after 1 practice I don't like guys touching me or getting that hands on with me. Its just really weird in my opinion and I choose not to deal with it.
I understand this perfectly.
I hate guys touching me.

I'll put up with it during Muay Thai clinches and self-defence arm-locks etc but I won't do wrestling or BJJ or any grappling sport for the same reason.

It's not weird at all. Only one guy I currently work with does BJJ. He loves it.
More power to him, but grappling sports aren't for everyone.

We've discussed this at work a few times as the other guys often remark about Mick rolling around on the ground with other guys while dressed in their 'pajamas'. :D:

I'm cool with kickboxing sports and wrist/arm/leg locks, judo type throws and such, as used in the police/security business, but they're all brief contact movements. Just long enough to get an offender disabled or handcuffed.

Rolling around on the floor, getting all sweaty and holding/being held by another guy just isn't for me. :cool:
 
You sound a little paranoid and insecure in your manhood. I am guessing you have never been in a physical fight? It's always up close and personal. Or maybe you just need to grow up.
I'm not paranoid or insecure in my manhood.

All my real life physical encounters have been over fairly quickly.
I don't plan to wrestle with the bad guys, just incapacitate them as quick as I can.
As most offenders wouldn't know a straight right from an armbar, being extremely proficent in grappling techniques on the ground isn't normally a problem.

I've come across offenders who think they know some sort of martial art, but in reality they just watched too many chop suey movies on TV.
 
Korean styles Kuk Sool Won, Hapkido, Japanese styles Kykushin Ki, Akijutsu, Chinese Wing Chun, Dragon Kung Fu, San Soo, Others Krav Maga, Wrestling.
 
I'm really interested in the Filipino martial arts. Kali, Escrima and Silat. The systems seem no-nonsense and effective. They also cover a large range of weapons from sticks/batons, knives, swords and tomahawks.

Second pick would be Krav Maga. Also no nonsense and effective, but just doesn't click the same on a personal level.
I've been training for a number of decades in several matiial arts and I'm a weapons collector. Since I've been on this board I've discovered Bataireacht and I want to learn more:

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=265203&highlight=blackthorn+walking+stick
 
I am starting Krav Maga. I'm 56 and I have not taken any martial arts since I was in my early 20's. TKD burned me out back then, it seemed to be a lot for the sport and not the self defense. I'm excited about krav maga.

I have to agree with you about TKD. Years back when I took TKD, they did not teach, in my opinion, much in the way of useful self-defense techniques for real life situations.

Krav Maga on the other hand seems to teach a lot of basic street survival techniques that can be used in real life.
 
Krav Maga

Real life stuff you can actually use that is straight to the point in a lot of situations. And not stylized fighting. Cause alot of the Fighting Arts are only on their feet. And where do most fights end up on if you dont get a good connect on your opponent?

Plus Krav adds in weaponry and Group fighting.
 
I have been in various forms of Martial Arts since I was 7! Started with Ryukyu Kempo when I was 7. While in High School I studied Hawaiian Kempo. During College I taught Martial Arts for free to those who wanted to work out with me. I also enjoyed taking 2 years of Jeet Kune Do. While earning my Masters I moved to Amateur Boxing for about 2 years. After College I enjoyed Shotokan Karate for about 3 years and for the last 8 years I have been learning and teaching TaeKwonDo/Hapkido.

I have to say that I learned a lot from each of the arts I studied but the one that I enjoyed the most was Jeet Kune Do. Bruce took the best of each Martial Art and built a single Martial Art that tried to bring them all together. I will say this though, I feel Jeet June Do is more for smaller quicker students as Larger students don't seem to do as well.
 
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While on the subject of something that has caught my attention....I had thought about checking out Keysi Fighting Method. Recently I watched a few clips on Youtube and considered buying a dvd to see more of KFM. Weird thing is that I couldn't find any dvd's for sale or even an official site? Can't say that I would have liked KFM or not, yet curious where it disappeared to.
 
I started out in TKD. After about 5 years I got fed up with the "take-your-dough" system I was in (good instructor, terrible system) and left. Having discovered that it did very little to help me in street fights as an LEO was another reason. Great exercise, and some good basic how-to-hit/where-to-hit instruction, but most of that was learned early on. Most of the stuff I've seen taught after green belt is fluff and looks-good-in-forms-and-tournaments sort of stuff. 360 jump front kicks, high spinning side-kicks, and such are great for getting your butt kicked in public.

I got into some "corporate martial arts" for a while. Those are police/military aimed systems that fall under various "Defensive Tactics" labels. PPCT is one of them. I was an instructor in that for a while. It was very comprehensive, but covered, IMHO, way too much way too fast and not often enough for the officers to maintain their skills. It was also very expensive for a small department to maintain certifications (company would change one paragraph in their manual and to teach a class we had to order new ones for every officer at $40 to $60 each).

Then a Japanese based jujutsu school opened here and I was hooked. I didn't ask for a trial class, I didn't sign up for a week. I signed up for a month figuring one good or one bad night would not give an accurate example of the art. That was ... wow ... almost 12 years ago. Through that system I've also studied and ranked in Aikido and Judo. I also, in a brief moment of madness worked up yet another TKD black belt rank with the not-so brilliant idea of adding that cash cow to our system. Even though we were cheaper, our area was just too saturated with TKD for a new school. Then, if they saw what the jujutsu folks were doing, they wanted to do that instead, LOL.
What I've found is that grappling-bases systems designed for warfare (i.e. Japanese Jujutsu) work the best for real street fights. They also offer a lot of force options, from simply evading an attack and escaping, to dropping an attacker with either a little or a lot of harm, on up to crippling/killing techniques. Often it's only a minor variation of a technique that makes the difference between how much force is applied.

Pure striking arts means the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer and not every problem is, after all, a nail. Pure grappling will have you wind up on the ground when that might not be the best option. Japanese jujutsu combines strikes (atimi-waza) with grappling, choking, throwing. Not all grappling is ground-based. In fact, we stress NOT going to the ground unless you have to, but that if you wind up on the ground (and I'm the clumsiest human being you've ever met -- sports doctors love me) that's cool, you can take care o'business, and get back up to deal with other attackers quite quickly (or fight from the ground if the situation dictates).

Judo is, IMHO, one of the coolest martial sports out there. The Ju-waza (lifting, pulling, pushing, close-in techniques) were taken, rules were added (a LOT of rules lately), some safety concerns were addressed, and a point system was established (Pre-WWII judo is very close to actual Jujutsu ... modern Judo ... not so much). Certainly you CAN fight with Judo, but since it, like BJJ is concerned with mat-based techniques, points, avoiding points (i.e. taking bad falls to keep opponent from scoring), etc., the muscle memory you develop will be more suited to the competition ring than to the street.

Aikido is ... beautiful. The Aiki-waza (arms-reach, big movement, big fall techniques) is taken from jujutsu and made into sort of a moving meditation with a willing partner. It is not for fighting. Sure, sure, after several years and a few dans of rank you can probably handle yourself okay, but that is not it's intent or focus. Self-Defense Aikido is basically watered down jujutsu. We train in aikido to soften up or jujutsu. We have a lot of good ol' boys who just can't quit using muscle (even one tiny guy who simply has no muscle to speak of). Well using strength RUINS aiki-waza an aikido techniques. Aiki-waza is the higher form of jujutsu, is much harder to learn, and should be the focus of anyone over 40.

Hmm ... so to answer the OP, I'd have the say, Japanese based Jujutsu. But you probably already figured that out, eh? ;)
 
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