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What is the best mess kit for camping/survival?

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Like the title says, What's the best mess kit?

I have a Boy Scout style kit I purchased from Wal-Mart many moons ago which is steel with a copper plating on the bottom of the frying pan. While it works great and I have never had any real issues with it, I would like to know if there is anything better, more light weight, with more utensils. I am curious as to whether any are made that would incorporate a fork/knife/spoon combo in the package. I would like to have something that would carry everything I need in one compact unit.

What do you use, or what would you suggest?
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Vargo Titanium Hexagon Wood Stove (weighs 4 ounces):
http://www.bepreparedtosurvive.com/S...0Resources.htm

Snow Peak Titanium Trek 700 holds about 3 cups and weighs 4.25 oz (.71 liter)
http://www.rei.com/product/708071

Snow Peak Titanium Cookset (7 ounces).
http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/41366?from=SR&feat=sr

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Nice setup, Dagny. I have similar stuff, bar the stove which I haven't decided on yet. There's a lot to be said for a wood burning one.

Have you tried that stove out, and what do you think of it?
I have a bunch of different stuff, from the Texsport stainless steel copper bottom stuff on up, but most of what I use is GSI hard anodized aluminum. What I use depends on the scenario. The minimalist approach means taking as little as possible and using what you find. It would probably be a bad idea to pack a white gas stove or a bottled gas stove when you only have the fuel that you can pack. When I was a kid, we used to make stoves out of coffee cans. Now I can't find a coffee can that isn't fuel.
I like this even better:
http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/59890?feat=59888-ppxs&dds=y
The above is about 7.25" wide and has a little more capacity than the snowpeak(posted by Dagny) which is only 5" wide.
It's stainless which I like and only weighs a little more.
How do you guys clean your cookware in the wilderness?

I heard about sanding but that will probably scratch the coating on expensive pots.
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How do you guys clean your cookware in the wilderness?

I heard about sanding but that will probably scratch the coating on expensive pots.
I typicaly use charcoal and a little but of water. The only coating I know that would be damaged is teflon. But I don't use teflon for my cookware.
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Have had Great luck with the Proforce Camp a Box Mess kit.
Swedish designed Plastic Mess Kit. Packs neatly into itself.
Includes: 2 trays, Bowl, Fold-A-Cup, Stainless steel knife / fork / spoon set, Cutting board & 3 compartment condiment stacker.

Available in: Black or Olive Drab
http://shop.vtarmynavy.com/proforce-camp-a-box-mess-kit-p6811.aspx
I have an old G.I. mess kit that my father gave me many years ago that I still use every now and again, but I mostly use my GSI mess kit and pots and pans. The are non-stick and I love them for what I need.
I clean my cooking gear with a nylon Scrubbie and Camp Soap. I can use sand if needed on the metal pots but the Scrubbie works fine on the Teflon fry pan. Not the type that are part sponge.

I also carry a Packtowl. Look for them at the site below. The spelling is correct for your search BTW. These towels are light in weight; dry very quikly and durable. Many competition swimmers use them just for those reasons.

Also look for Camp Soap and cooking gear while you are searching Campmors site. When you are looking for lightweight items the prices climb as the weigfht reduces. That isn't confined to cooking gear but tents and clothing also.

Do a search for: www.campmor.com
Campmor is a company that caters to the backpacking/camping/kyack groups. They are a reputible company and I have bought a lot of items from them foer r over 30 years. They stand behind what they sell.
I have no stock in this company BTW.
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Thanks to both of you, vicdotcom and bass , appreciate your great info.
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I typicaly use charcoal and a little but of water. The only coating I know that would be damaged is teflon. But I don't use teflon for my cookware.
I have used ashes out of the fire pit on occasion with good success. This will only really work if you are cooking things like bacon. The fat mixed with ash makes a natural soap because of the lye found in wood ash.

Most often though, due to not cooking fatty meats, I use a little sponge scrub pad I found in the camping isle of Wal-Mart. It's about half the size of the ones used in the kitchen, and they come with soap already in them. Pretty handy to have in a pack, and light weight too. Scroll down to my pic of the roll up grill. I have the package with one of these scrubbers in it so you can see what brand it is.

I have also on occasion, carried a small travel sized container of dish soap, about the size of the shampoo bottles found in motels. In fact, these work great to carry dish soap in. And a few years back I found some camping towels in a gas station that are really awesome. I have no clue who makes them, or where to find them today, but I thought they were so cool, I bought half a dozen of them.

These towels are super compressed and wrapped in heat shrink plastic, sandwiched between two cardboard disks. The package is about the size of a half dollar, and maybe half an inch thick. To use them, you open the package and drop it in water. As it soaks up the water, the towel becomes uncompressed, quickly turning into a full size washcloth. I haven't found out how to put them back in their packages yet though. :(

::EDIT::

I decided to see if I could find a link for these towels. I found one:

Amazon.com: Camp Compressed Towels, 4 Pack

Now back to the original subject

I don't mean to sound rude to all of you who have been so kind as to share your input with me, but seriously... plastic utensils is all you suggest to carry with you?!? Why do so many of you suggest plastic kits as a mess kit? How do you fry an egg on that?!?! That can't agree too well with a camp stove, now can it?

Well, I finally found the time to snap some pics and upload them to share with everyone so you can see what I am dealing with. What follows is a series of pictures of my cooking/eating tools, and why I am looking to find something better. So without further adieu, I give you, The Mess Kit:



This kit is just too much to pack in on my back, so I usually just take the BSA kit with, along with some other items stashed away inside the pot. Here is what the kit consists of:



As you can see, there is quite a bit of stuff here. The standard BSA style kit is self explanatory,, so I will explain the pot. It contains four nested bowls, four double sided spice shakers, one isobutane canister, a folding fork, spoon, and spatula(my knife stays on my side), a Brunton Raptor cook stove with piezoelectric-electric ignition, and a fire starting kit. The fire starting kit consists of tinder and char cloth,(real)flint, steel striker, a magnesium bar with flint rod on the side, and a razor blade.

When I camp close to my vehicle, I like to use this grill:



It's sturdy, and it makes a mean steak. It's also great for holding my pots and pans so I can cook my stew, fry bacon and eggs, or whatever else I feel like cooking. If I am hiking into the back country, Which I do more often than not, I like to use my roll up grill:



As you can see, it seems rather flimsy. And for all practical purposes it is. I have considered making a pair of steel rods that will snap into it to give some support along the sides, but it usually works good enough for what I cook on it. The trick is to use it in soft soil over a Dakota Fire Hole. Make the hole small enough to fit easily between the legs, then stick the legs into the ground while the grill is stretched to it's most stable position. It's strong enough to hold the blue pot filled with stew, so that's good enough for me. I have also used it quite successfully with the BSA style kit. This is how the grill rolls up:



I wrap it in a towel to keep the soot from getting all over everything, then I stuff it inside it's orange bag and toss it in my backpack.

Now, I know what you're thinking, this is outrageous overkill. I am packing too much stuff with me, and I could just as easily use a few rocks to set my pots and pans on while cooking. I should utilize my surroundings to do my cooking, thus lightening my load. In a SHTF situation, I'd wear myself out after a mile if I was running for the hills. Well, that's why I am asking what the best kit is. I know I have too much. I know I am over-prepared. I want to break this stuff down to only what I need.

But like I said, I'm not always carrying everything with me. I do pick and choose what to take, depending on where I am going and what I am doing. I'm just hoping there is some kind of kit out there that is light, compact, and will be able to carry everything I need to cook and eat with. But you can't cook on plastic. I'd just like to maintain the abilities of this kit while being able to hold all of the same items. I guess what would be optimal for me would be a kit similar to the way the BSA kit packs up, but with a pot similar in size to the blue one I have.

I would like to see a large pot with a nested plate and smaller pot like the BSA kit has, a drinking/measuring cup, a lid for both pots, and a frying pan that can be turned over and latched to the top of the package. Optimally, I would like this kit to have enough extra room to store my stove, fuel, and utensils. I'm sure I am asking way too much though. I have yet to run across anything like this that doesn't cater to four or more people.
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There are two distinct styles of cooking here and it isn't always obvious which one is being talked about. One is the backpacker style where you carry pre-packaged pre-cooked food and only boil water in your kit. You then pour the water in the food pack, let it steep and then eat it. This is quick and there is very little clean up work. The other style is where you actually cook in your pots & pans. The larger cook sets are best for this, because you need more room for the food to cook and it's easier to clean. Thicker metal is better, because there is less scorching of the food. The ultralight titanium cook ware is best suited to boiling water. The old timer diet of beans, bacon and bannock is what we are cooking. The ingredients (except for the bacon) are dry, but do have to cook. Bannock can be cooked on a stick or in a pan. The other issue is fuel. Most backpackers rely on liquid or compressed gas fuel. That's fine for short trips into the woods, but not good for longer trips or where fuel isn't available. Where wood is available, great, but what do you do when you can't find wood? Solid fuel has more BTUs per pound, but is more difficult to start and less efficient to use, unless you have a stove meant for it. Just remember that you can use dried cow pies for fuel, if you need to and they are available.
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Nice setup, Dagny. I have similar stuff, bar the stove which I haven't decided on yet. There's a lot to be said for a wood burning one.

Have you tried that stove out, and what do you think of it?
Haven't yet tried the Vargo stove. Perhaps in a few weeks when we have a weekend in the woods planned (cabin, not camping).

I'm not a backpacker but for day hikes and emergencies I've become keenly interested in wood stoves.
Get a Zebra tin.
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Get a Zebra tin.
That's actually rather nice. I had a bit of a time finding a link to it online, and it looks like it is not available in the USA. But it sounds like it comes with a nested bowl and or plate, which is a bonus.
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Brits always pitch Zebra, not sure if that's all they can buy.
We're stuck with GSI, MSR, REI, Snow Peak, Jetboil, Coleman and cheap Texsport.
I'm sure there's more out there. A billy can is a billy can.
Brits always pitch Zebra, not sure if that's all they can buy.
We're stuck with GSI, MSR, REI, Snow Peak, Jetboil, Coleman and cheap Texsport.
I'm sure there's more out there. A billy can is a billy can.
We can get all you have listed and a lot more.:rolleyes:

Ive used all sorts of mess tins,billy cans,cooks sets over the last 35 years and the Zebra billy is not so much a pitch but is actually one of the best billy cans I have used,so a billy can is not just a billy can as some are better than others.

By the way Im an Anglo Saxon Celt not a Brit.:thumb:
We can get all you have listed and a lot more.
Well there's a chap in Israel that can't find/buy a water bottle.
Perhaps you can assist him.
And I can roll my eyes too.
I live in the USA, I'm an American.
I do wish the OP has said, "here's my mess kit, how can I improve it?".
Instead of wasting a page of help.
Well there's a chap in Israel that can't find/buy a water bottle.
Perhaps you can assist him.
And I can roll my eyes too.
I live in the USA, I'm an American.
I do wish the OP has said, "here's my mess kit, how can I improve it?".
Instead of wasting a page of help.
Im sure if the guy from Israel can use the Internet he can order a water bottle.:thumb:

Thats cool but can you roll your eyes whilst standing on one leg rubbing your belly and patting yourself on the head,if so then Im totally in awe :D:

I live in England but have dual nationality,English/Irish:thumb:

There are lots of help threads on this forum,they do no harm;)
I do wish the OP has said, "here's my mess kit, how can I improve it?".
Instead of wasting a page of help.
Maybe you missed my first post, where I specifically said:

I have a Boy Scout style kit I purchased from Wal-Mart many moons ago which is steel with a copper plating on the bottom of the frying pan... I would like to know if there is anything better, more light weight, with more utensils... What do you use, or what would you suggest?
And in my third post, I was able to also provide pictures:

Maybe I am misunderstanding your statement, but I don't believe that a page of help was wasted at all. I asked a question which I thought was clear and concise, that being "What mess kit would be better than the BSA mess kit that I am currently using?". Help was offered, but instead of offering suggestions of suitable replacements for my mess kit, people mistook my request and suggested a series of plastic containers that could never replace the frying pan and pot I currently use to cook with. While I truly appreciate the suggestions that these people have offered, and recognize that they were only trying to help, I do not understand the idea behind plastic as a replacement to such cooking utensils as a frying pan. Plastic is not better, but worse than what I have now.

Now, I don't know about you guys, but I refuse to eat freeze dried foods that I have to pay exorbitant prices for. I like meat. And fresh vegetables. I like to cook stew over an open fire, grill thick cuts of steak, enjoy scrambled eggs and pancakes in the morning. I like to cook brown rice with Sautéed mushrooms and shaved carrots, grilled asparagus and portabello's over an open fire. I enjoy cooking AND eating food way too much to move to preservative filled, precooked meals packed into vacuum sealed plastic bags that only take a cup of hot water to be ready to eat.

In my opinion, that ruins the entire object of camping outside, sitting next to a warm fire under the tree tops, and enjoying a moment of living in a rustic and rudimentary manner. To me, the most appealing part of camping is doing things the hard way. When you move away from something as simple as preparing and cooking your food over a bed of hot coals, to tearing open a plastic bag so you can dump a cup of hot water over a bunch of brittle and dried out nuggets of what might have once been food, you take away everything that makes being outdoors appealing. You may as well just stay home on your couch and microwave yourself some leftovers in that plastic container, because you aren't experiencing anything different, except maybe a rock or two under your sleeping bag.
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