And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

Read more: http://www.beaconequity.com/we-are-...re-preparing-for-massive-civil-war-says-dhs-informant-2012-05-03/#ixzz1trw1bO4E

That is just one part of the article that made me think!

 

We are preparing for massive civil war, says DHS Informant

I noticed you left that last part off the title. A little more sensational that way.

 

Atleast he left in "preparing" instead of "We are for massive civil war".

 

DHS, Patriot Act, NDAA... It was never about protecting the American Citizen. That was just a shiny wrapper to sell it to the public.

 

Yep. Now, American History quiz. Which of the three have been started by those "dammed communist liberals"

Hint: NDAA is really just a legalization of practices enacted after Patriot Act.

 

Wow, this sounds like it could be something.....oh wait, time for American Idol, never mind.

 

If you are an American Idol watcher ... there is no hope for you. You're already too far gone. If you were being patronizing or condescending ... there is no hope for you, you're already too far gone. If you were trying to be funny, next time substitute some worthwhile, educational, show in place of American Idol and it might be funny.

What you just typed is paramount to someone typing, "hey guys, I'd care about this except I have a wicked hot outbreak of herpes on my upper lip right now." Pretty much the same thing if you are watching American Idol.

Bottom line is you were simply in this for the thread disruption, correct?

 

One of the spots where the article loses credibility is...

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

That is the max for a five year contract for .40 caliber PISTOL ammunition. And while the amount of ammo may be more than some are used to shooting on the weekend it isn't a lot of ammo for training purposes. Leaving out important information to sensationalize one's own article is the same thing as lying.

Nothing against Gallo Pazzesco for referencing the article but the article has no credibility.

 

One of the spots where the article loses credibility is...

That is the max for a five year contract for .40 caliber PISTOL ammunition. And while the amount of ammo may be more than some are used to shooting on the weekend it isn't a lot of ammo for training purposes. Leaving out important information to sensationalize one's own article is the same thing as lying.

Nothing against Gallo Pazzesco for referencing the article but the article has no credibility.

It was trending on twitter ... I copied and pasted it to here for ideas and comments.

About the ordering of the ammo ... we all are aware of that story by now. But I disagree that he used it to bolster his contention - more likely that he used it exactly as he worded it and intended to, that the news of the ammo order "fuels speculation." Which is did, and still does.

One thing I do have a worry about, with regard to possible civil war ... if I may?

There is some concern, I think many may have this concern, that if you take into account the historical reactions of Obama's main voting block, his constituency if you will? ... I believe that if you take into account their propensity to overreact when things do not go their way ... that if Obama is not reelected we could see some massive recoil in the form of riots and social upheaval that could lead to anything and grow into something worse even.

And there are other scenarios. I can think of a few, that could send things in a bad direction in a hurry.

But I think the guy on the radio show was simply stating, with regard to the ammo order for the 40 S&W, that it has led to some speculation ... and in that regard I believe he is 100% correct. Some people will speculate, and run with anything.

 

I have no doubt that America will suffer a second, and more severe, civil war. It is only a question of when. Not only will it effect America, but the entire world. No one will be uneffected. Those who give up their rights for a false sense of security will be the first to go. Only those prepared in their hearts, and in their minds, and in their homes will survive.

 

Well, imho, if civil war happens here we'll have plenty of warnings before the shooting starts.

It'll happen in Europe first, if it happens ... southern Europe, most likely Greece or Spain. Both of those places are ready to pop at anytime anyway. In excess of 25% unemployment in a bankrupt country - the lid could blow at any time.

Now, if civil war were to erupt in either of those country it would have a devastating ripple effect throughout the EU, and once it his the UK and/or Germany it would be here in no time. And it would begin here in a very ominous fashion.

One thing we, as Americans, have done for too long is believe we are immune to what ails the rest of the world. We've been sitting here on this island unto ourselves thinking we are indestructible and totally shielded from the bad things that happen fairly regularly in the overall scheme of things over in Europe and elsewhere. And we may have been immune to some degree in the past - separated by oceans.

But today we are part of a global screw-up and a lot of people elsewhere see us as the central bad guy figure ... we will not escape what happened IF it were to happen again over there.

Russia and China have their people under control iron fist style ... it wouldn't take much to ignite the fuse and we end-up in a similar situation here if we are not careful. And, while we as individuals have no control over what is coming even on a national scale ... we should all have our ears perked and eyes open listening and looking for danger signals. And none of us should fear being called "crazy" or "loony" for being prepared and being alert to our surroundings.

Sometimes it is right there in front of us .... we just refuse to see it until it is too late.

 

With the way ammo stores I cannot imagine a sudden buy up like this being significant.

I imagine military stores are pretty good for the "civil war" prep.

 

The significance is that this move is UNPRECEDENTED.

And, more importantly, to all the naysayers or diminishers of that significance who would poo poo away that significance (in so many cases because this big socialist machine just HAS TO WORK....cuz they have no other immediate paradigm to shift to) is that they don't just buy a ton of ammo because it stores well.

As a former LE firearms instructor I KNOW we always tried to keep our duty ammo AS FRESH AS POSSIBLE and, in fact, we'd go out with whatever extra duty ammo we had and shoot it off so we weren't carrying stale ammo.

If your life is going to depend on the ammo you are carrying we wanted our ammo to be rotated....annually.

Now this HOLLOWPOINT ammo DHS is loading up on IS DUTY AMMO, that it, it is not for practice.

If people are too STUPID to connect the dots, and I mean all the big brother police state rapidly unfolding DOTS..... good luck surviving much of anything and have fun in the Gulog.

 

We are preparing for massive civil war, says DHS

So? They're decades behind right-wing and conservative Americans.

 

Civil War, Who against Who?

 

Well who was the last "civil" war against? Each other! Have you not noticed how much the federal government is trying to divide the nation? Take your pick. Black against white. Male against female. Rich against poor. Young against old. Worker against welfare receiver. And on and on and on. Divide and conquor.

 

Left against right, conservative against liberal, red state against blue state, brother against brother.

And it's actually who against whom.

 

I don't see this. War is about taking something or forcing one's will on another.

Who is taking what? And why would "civil war" be the method to do so?

The only credible conflict I can see right now is a war over water; southwestern US states want/need water; the midwestern Great Lakes states have a lot of it. During the last election cycle, New Mexico's former governor Bill Richardson broached the subject of piping Great Lakes water down to the desert southwest.

Didn't go over so well here in the Midwest. Water is the new oil, as some say.

Anyway, I think "Civil War" is the wrong label; "Social Chaos," "Societal Breakdown," "WROL" would all be better at describing what would happen in the scenarios listed in the article.

And FWIW: A single unnamed source isn't my idea of credibility.

 

You Aussies amaze me on how you mates know what is going to happen in Our Country, you put Civil War as a free for all.

 

You Aussies amaze me on how you mates know what is going to happen in Our Country

How do you know if my mates know what is going to happen?

you put Civil War as a free for all.

There's a very good reason for that. It is. :thumb:

 

Maybe the Gov knows something we don't... Was it the new ZOMBIE rounds.. ;-) lol

 

while I have no doubt that they are preparing for a civil war, and I have no doubt we are in for extreemely hard economic times, WHY would this cause a "civil war". A war is where there is fighting on all sides, in a battlefield way (if we are talking in a traditional manner). If someone riots, wanting the government to take care of them in Cali, it doesn't REALLY make it a "war" here on the east coast.
I am glad to have the "confirmation" in a way, but I also believe it's a bit of fear mongering. My neighbor is not going to whip out his (non existant) gun and shoot me over differing beliefs.

 

Not convinced there will be a full out Civil War in the near future, but I have never seen the right and the left so polarized. I am a Conservative and stopped trying to reason with Liberals a long time ago. Realized they don't think the way I do and never will. The same struggle goes on in Congress and seems to cause more of an impasse every year trying to get legislation passed. Here's hoping history does not repeat itself.

 

Good question about who against whom..

Another question should be: 450 million rounds divided by five year contract = 90 million rounds a year. 90 million divided by 12 months ='s 7.5 million rounds per month (quick math, should an error be noted). WTF could they be using this amount of ammo for? Range quals (are not ball rounds used on the range)? Taking out the Tangos? Buy and store?

We need to break this down, and analyze the embedded facts. I agree that we should not trust the word of one person, but history is full of such people who exposed truths. We must proceed methodically.

 

This isn't a purchase of 450 million rounds. It's a purchase for as many as 450 million rounds.

Also, there are many organisations who train with what they use operationally.

 

Beacon Equity Research, the source of this article, is not considered reliable information and has a very low quality rating as a news source. I would be sceptical of anything they publish.

http://www.investimonials.com/websites/reviews-beacon-equity-research.aspx

 

The real question is: who is this Doug Hagmann? Is he a credible source? He claims a reliable source from DHS told him all this stuff. Doug Hagmann is a private investigator so what are the odds? Just asking? This story appears to have come from an interview on TruNews click here with this guy Doug Hagmann. I also saw where Infowars is running the story as well. But they love this kind of stuff so what can I say. Admittedly, there is a place for independent news sources so I am not ruling it out but I also have to view stuff like this with extreme skepticism as well. Maybe later on I will listen to the interview myself.

 

Many years ago I good a leflet in the mail about the coming war between. The have's and the have not's. I laughed was the info. Almost every thing in it hass come to pass.

 

Civil war....... Hardly. the amount of ammo needed for training etc is huge. plus if it was a prep for war, they wouldnt be stock pileing handgun rounds.....
All the doom and gloom forecasts get old.... must be hell living under that big storm cloud on the horizon , just waiting on it to break loose.

 

that was my thinking, why would you stock pile handgun ammo for a war????
ask anybody thats been a rifleman in any military branch if they where walking in to combat what would they want to have: 2 glock 22 or a m-16 and all of them would say a m-16. you don't take a handgun to fight a war with.

 

Gallo, thanks for posting.

~JohnP

 

I don't think we'll have a civil war, per se. It'll be more like anarchy, with sporadic bouts of large groups v large groups. That's if that even happens. Things may get bad enough for that, or things may slowly get bad to where no one can do anything. Who knows. I'm ready either way, but I will also live my life in accordance to God's will and what will be, will be.

 

Yeah, civil unrest is one thing.

Having the government choose sides and me not being on 'their' side would be devastating. (to me)

 

I don't know, something smells funny about this report. Mysterious sources and such.

 

I recall the US govt using a question sheet to the military and one of the questions was Would you fire upon US citizens if it were required or something like that. The way I see it, if the govt is probing like that back in the 90's then they had a plan all along. The issue lying in the shadows, at least one of them, is if under martial law, would you fire upon US troops even though they have orders to enforce curfews, food rations, gun collections, public monitoring, and last but not least, rights stripping that violates the constitution? Would you fire upon them to get what you and your family need if they are in your way? Knowing that they have parents and loved ones you might be in contact with or worse, even one of your own? This could be, in a worst case scenario, turn into an Iraq on US soil. Just something to think about .

 

will this be the october surprise?
I wonder......................the article also talks about martial law and no election.

 

Well, we can thank george bush for dhs as well as tsa, open borders & invading iraq.

Anything is possible in this political climate.....even russia is threatening....knowing o will fold when re-elected.

 

Well, we can thank george bush for

Wow.....more... just "blame Bush"!.