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"Nearly 163 million people among India’s population of 1.3 billion - or more than one in 10 - lack access to clean water close to their home, according to a 2018 WaterAid report.

That is the most of any country in the world, according to the UK-based charity, which aims to provide clean water and better hygiene to people without them.

Disputes with neighbors over the sharing of water from rivers that cross national boundaries also means tensions are rising as water shortages grow."

source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-zero-becomes-everyday-in-india-idUSKBN1HW1P2

OMG had no idea it was so bad there.
desperate for more food they've been irrigating.
one of their rivers comes out of China, who is planning to dam, which could make things worse.

"To the north and northeast, however, India fears a loss of water to upstream China, which plans a series of dams over the Tsangpo river, called the Brahmaputra as it flows into eastern India."

I hate all the rain but I'm blessed to be living in a well-watered land (Merryland)

anyone wi any knowledge of India and its water issues?
 

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It is more than just a lack of water. There is massive pollution, and poor policy planning/regional disputes on the uses of water. Close to half of the population of India lacks basic sewage control, so that is one major source of contamination. Very few industrial restraints on pollution also.

For example the sacred Ganges River, carries raw sewage, direct discharge of industrial toxins, the bodies and ashes of the dead. Yet it is considered purifying for a Hindu to bath in the Ganges.

India has been working on population control--one of my associates (Ronald Swerdlof ) had his research on male medical oral and injectable contraceptive methods partially funded by the Indian Government in the 1970's. The problem was that the population would not accept the various methods of birth control. The major form of birth control is tubal ligation--about 4 million a year. Recently India has approved government given free trimonthly injection of Depo-Provera as a contraception.
 

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"Nearly 163 million people among India’s population of 1.3 billion - or more than one in 10 - lack access to clean water close to their home, according to a 2018 WaterAid report.

That is the most of any country in the world, according to the UK-based charity, which aims to provide clean water and better hygiene to people without them.

Disputes with neighbors over the sharing of water from rivers that cross national boundaries also means tensions are rising as water shortages grow."

source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-zero-becomes-everyday-in-india-idUSKBN1HW1P2

OMG had no idea it was so bad there.
desperate for more food they've been irrigating.
one of their rivers comes out of China, who is planning to dam, which could make things worse.

"To the north and northeast, however, India fears a loss of water to upstream China, which plans a series of dams over the Tsangpo river, called the Brahmaputra as it flows into eastern India."

I hate all the rain but I'm blessed to be living in a well-watered land (Merryland)

anyone wi any knowledge of India and its water issues?
YEP! Stop CRAPPING all over the place. Human feces isn't the best thing to have in your groundwater supply.
 

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"Nearly 163 million people among India’s population of 1.3 billion - or more than one in 10 - lack access to clean water close to their home,....

OMG had no idea it was so bad there.
desperate for more food they've been irrigating.
one of their rivers comes out of China, who is planning to dam, which could make things worse....

anyone wi any knowledge of India and its water issues?
For reference about 60 million or 1 in 5 in the US have unsafe drinking water...

https://www.popsci.com/drinking-water-standards
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...y-unsafe-tap-water-how-does-your-county-stack
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...cans-exposed-unsafe-drinking-water/564278001/
 

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It is more than just a lack of water. There is massive pollution, and poor policy planning/regional disputes on the uses of water. Close to half of the population of India lacks basic sewage control, so that is one major source of contamination. Very few industrial restraints on pollution also.

For example the sacred Ganges River, carries raw sewage, direct discharge of industrial toxins, the bodies and ashes of the dead. Yet it is considered purifying for a Hindu to bath in the Ganges.

India has been working on population control--one of my associates (Ronald Swerdlof ) had his research on male medical oral and injectable contraceptive methods partially funded by the Indian Government in the 1970's. The problem was that the population would not accept the various methods of birth control. The major form of birth control is tubal ligation--about 4 million a year. Recently India has approved government given free trimonthly injection of Depo-Provera as a contraception.


sounds like bathing in the sacred Ganges River will solve the overpopulation problem by itself.
 

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"To the north and northeast, however, India fears a loss of water to upstream China, which plans a series of dams over the Tsangpo river, called the Brahmaputra as it flows into eastern India."

I hate all the rain but I'm blessed to be living in a well-watered land (Merryland)

anyone wi any knowledge of India and its water issues?
The water problem is pertinent to industrial & agriculture usage, and NOT for drinking water.

The practice for us living in tropical / equatorial Asia is to buy bottle water (19 L / 5 US gallon) for drinking and cooking. Everything else we use either tap water or artesian well. Tap water itself were source from the river and afterward were flush back again to the same river.

Being in equatorial climate also means there are plenty of rainwater flowing to that same river, and in the case of India (especially northern part) there are always melting ice coming from Himalayan mountain.
 

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According to the last link.

As many as 63 million people — nearly a fifth of the United States — from rural central California to the boroughs of New York City, were exposed to potentially unsafe water more than once during the past decade, according to a News21 investigation of 680,000 water quality and monitoring violations from the Environmental Protection Agency.
I don't think that's the same thing as what's going on in India. I bet they'd love to be exposed to unsafe water once or twice a decade instead of several times a day.
 

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I was watching a show about great rivers and that one featured rivers in India. It showed legions of people bathing in the rivers, which were loaded with human fecal matter and other pollutants. The people there think the water is somehow blessed and holy and are as ignorant as liberals here who think big government is the solution to everything. The host of the show went up river and found many tributaries, among a thriving tanning industry, that dumped raw effluents into the streams. The "water" was brown, had no life in it and in stunk so bad it burned your eyes. The gist of the story was that fish were now almost non-existent in the river. You had to go to the headwaters of the river, to a monastery that protected a few miles of the river and prohibited any access to the water. The show interviewed a local tea shop that made tea from his well water --- the public water was not fit to drink. In my lifetime, I have seen many people do crazy things because of stupidity and ignorance, up to and including dying for no reason. Maybe India should crank out legions of fish biologists and environmental engineers instead of IT graduates, that they then send here to take our jobs. Behind ever failed policy is a government official who knows what is best. We see it here every day, in places like CA and WA. Failed policies, failed people, poor health, death and destruction. Some things never change. We see Mexifornia today, the liberal paradise and it is spreading like cancer all over the US as people there flee to escape high taxes and aberrant behavior that THEY VOTED FOR.
 

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India has one of the largest, most corrupt socialist governments on the planet.

They can't get clean water to the people, and they can't get electricity where it needs to be, either. India leads the world with over 16 billion dollars worth of electricity piracy, the people just run wires to the system, and rig it up.

Businesses and apartments do the same, using bribes to keep the law off of them. The politicians STOP any efforts to make more power or distribute it, as that would reduce their bribe earning potential, in fact, they ENCOURAGE power theft, as a way to gain local votes. You cannot open a business without bribing someone to get the power you need to run your business.

Meanwhile, as their people bathe in the sewer laden rivers....they refused to let KFC open any stores there, citing health concerns. It was really just that KFC didn't know who to bribe, or how much...:rolleyes:

Anyone want to climb this power pole?

 

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Gospel for Asia does a lot of work in India. They drill wells, educate and feed street children, etc. They work with battered women, do Bible studies, etc.

A lot of times if you are not Hindu you cannot use the village well. YOu have to travel elsewhere. GFA does "Jesus Wells" where anyone can use the water. They have a salvation message on the well.

One thing GFA does a lot of is basic hygenic education. People don't know how to keep clean, so they keep getting sick, their babies die, etc.
 

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https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...steps-needed-experts/articleshow/63828947.cms

***"Almost 70-80 per cent of the population of South Asia (including India) is dependent on groundwater for drinking and agricultural irrigation" said leading IIT Kharagpur hydrogeologist Abhijit Mukherjee.

The northern and eastern parts lose groundwater at rates of 8 and 5 cubic km each year, respectively, he added.

According to a 2012 World Bank report, India is the largest user of groundwater in the world. It uses an estimated 230 cubic km of groundwater per year.***

lest we be complacent here in the USA
our groundwater is also being depleted (see aquifer, oglalla)http://www.hpj.com/crops/stakeholde...cle_9c214fca-46f7-11e8-b1aa-3b97c8654aa8.html

***“We have seen more than 150 feet of decline in parts of Texas,” Mace said. While there are some parts that are rising, overall the saturated thickness of the aquifer has declined. In some areas of Texas, that’s more than 50 percent of the aquifer now depleted.***
 
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There is a problem with a fair amount of groundwater in India...arsenic. There are several types of arsenic found in groundwater. One of them can be removed the other is very difficult to remove. Unfortunately much of the arsenic in Indian groundwater is the type that is expensive to remove.
 

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I was watching a show about great rivers and that one featured rivers in India. It showed legions of people bathing in the rivers, which were loaded with human fecal matter and other pollutants. The people there think the water is somehow blessed and holy and are as ignorant as liberals here who think big government is the solution to everything. The host of the show went up river and found many tributaries, among a thriving tanning industry, that dumped raw effluents into the streams. The "water" was brown, had no life in it and in stunk so bad it burned your eyes. The gist of the story was that fish were now almost non-existent in the river. You had to go to the headwaters of the river, to a monastery that protected a few miles of the river and prohibited any access to the water. The show interviewed a local tea shop that made tea from his well water --- the public water was not fit to drink. In my lifetime, I have seen many people do crazy things because of stupidity and ignorance, up to and including dying for no reason. Maybe India should crank out legions of fish biologists and environmental engineers instead of IT graduates, that they then send here to take our jobs. Behind ever failed policy is a government official who knows what is best. We see it here every day, in places like CA and WA. Failed policies, failed people, poor health, death and destruction. Some things never change. We see Mexifornia today, the liberal paradise and it is spreading like cancer all over the US as people there flee to escape high taxes and aberrant behavior that THEY VOTED FOR.
Ha~! Lots of good stuff to work with here~!

Maybe India should crank out legions of fish biologists and environmental engineers instead of IT graduates This is an excellent point! The problem may be lack of obvious job opportunities in those fields. Possibly also religious/caste issues.

The people there think the water is somehow blessed and holy and are as ignorant as liberals here who think big government is the solution to everything. Well come on now! That right there is your basic non sequitur. "Blessed and holy" clearly mean that religion is at issue. "Big government" is about political philosophy.

Religion is the reason for many problems in India (~ but there are other reasons, too.)
 

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problem continues; 'Worst Water Crisis in India History'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...history-leaves-millions-thirsty-idUSKBN1JV01G

***Crippling water problems could shave 6 percent off India’s gross domestic product, according to the report by the government think-tank, Niti Aayog.

“This 6 percent of GDP is very much dependent on water. Our industry, our food security, everything will be at stake,” said Mishra.

“It is a finite resource. It is not infinite. One day it can (become) extinct,” he said, warning that by 2030 India’s water supply will be half of the demand. ***

too many people
not enough resources
big problem with lack of sewage/treatment. a lot of contaminated water seeps into the groundwater and contaminates that.

so blessed to live in a well-watered land
 
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