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Watch who you team up with
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Over the 30 plus years I have been a prepper and survivalist I have always encouraged people to build up trusting cooperative working relationships with other like minded people, through such things as MSA’s (mutual support agreements).

In general its been highly beneficial for our community to take the time to get to know their prepper neighbours and others with similar plans and objectives as themselves, but as with most things some caveats must be applied.

Whilst I have seen good quality long term bonds develop between individuals, families and even groups some of which have lasted decades, I have noticed something not as pleasant raising its ugly head far too often namely the sub groups I refer to as USERS, ARMCHAIRS and WANNABES.

Now lets be fair we get dreamers and doers in every aspect of life and prepping is no different, Nearly all of us have come across the lesser spotted ARMCHAIR survivalist whose breeding ground appears to be bushcraft, wilderness, gun, military and prepping forums. These “” Experts”” have knowledge apparently greater than any other people in society and are quick to educate us lesser mortals with their expert opinion. Sadly 9 times out of 10 when corned and challenged about the sources of their wisdom it usually turns out to be from books, TV shows, plagiarism and a vivid imagination. Its usually fairly easy to weed out these annoying folks and they soon move on to other places to pass on their wisdom.

Then we move onto the WANNABES, these are often both amusing and terrifying at the same time, they spend huge amounts of time and money buying every possible book and magazine on their chosen subject, and even more buying the latest and best tactical , specialist, military or police gear which they lavish love upon, but sadly they have never bothered to actually sign up with and serve in the real military , medics, police or rescue services. One often sees these ramboettes wandering around the woods looking like they are just about to take on a battalion of Spetnaz on their own.

The problem with these muppets is the inevitably get arrested by a game keeper or cop who spots their desert storm cammo in the middle of a British summer woodland. And then the media pictures the idiots with the banner “ Paramilitary Survivalists rampage in woodland” Today it emerged that Norbert Q Tackledangler was arrested for carrying a loaded air rifle and 12 inch Rambo knife as he stalked around the children’s playground in the town centre. But again apart from the negative publicity the WANNABES create they again are usually exposed in short time buy genuine ex forces types who share the same forums. Pillocks like the Wannabes are a constant pain in the arse for respected and skilled real bushcrafters and groups such as the guys at LSG.

Now we come onto the insidious USER, these are a real pain in the arse and often quite hard to identify until they have done much damage. They usually surface at first as quite keen and pleasant newish preppers who will join in almost every discussion they can find, they will praise others especially those they are hoping to target. Within a medium timeframe they will suggest meetings of like minds (a good thing) rendezvous ( another good thing) but then they will often suggest RULES, frequently followed by MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS inevitably followed by some sort of RANK STRUCTURE, any consultation over the suggested rules will only be with their yes men. They soon create a them and us attitude between preppers who form part of his circle and the rest who do not, and instead of unifying and treating everyone as equal he creates division and mistrust. They always start looking for people with (A) Skills they want (B) Land or access to land the “ group” can use (C) Money , to buy land they can run as a cooperative ( naturally with the Chief USER is a senior management post and because of his duties excused from (1) Physical work (2) contributing to the costs himself.

Very VERY often the USERS will set very high standards of membership and commitment to the groups but naturally they themselves will have a list of fabulous reasons as to why they themselves don’t live by the same rules. Cant afford a XXX, Cant move away from XXXX, XXXX is why we cant do XXXXX, The dogs sick, the wifes wooden leg fell off, the kids are still at school, the council wont let me etc. In some cases you soon realise the USER is looking for a crutch to support his own vulnerable position, his preps are wickedly unready and unaffordable and his way out of it is to latch onto someone else.

Quite often their comms system be it a bulletin board, E mail group, forum etc will start off open but soon the sensible levels of moderation designed to keep trolls and spammers at bay will become ever more repressive the chief USER forcing his values and morals onto everyone and should anyone question, challenge or dissent they are pretty quickly locked out of the system.

Summary;
The best preppers are those who ask nothing of you but offer to contribute to the plan themselves.
They treat newbies and old dogs equally
They don’t try to force their morals or beliefs onto you
They lead by example not edict
They ask what YOU think, what YOU want from the group
They will make the first donation or commitment to your coop plan
They will already have made most if not ALL of the sacrifices necessary that they ask you to make
They wont ask you to do anything they have not already done themselves
Their comms systems will be governed by a very broad group of moderators with full editorial control

And

They WILL respect your opinions and beliefs even if they are in complete disagreement with you.

Trust your own judgement if you have a bad feeling about the guy proposing to join up with you the chances are your instincts are right.
 

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Quick awnser yes i agree, im having a few beers and chilling out as the next 2 weeks will be with my littel girl so having some time off. but will come back on this soon. as i see this yesterday with a friend.
 

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Actually what you pointed out I have wittnessed myself in the past 12 years.

I have always been one to grow and preserve some my own food. I have no problem foraging for fruit, nuts and greens around our homestead. I have no problem helping others with the information and skills that I have.

During Y2K my kids thought I was crazy when I brought down cases of food/toilet paper for their Christmas presents. But they were able to use all of it even when nothing happened. What they were given was not wasted.

I was turned on to survivalism 5 years ago by a co-worker. I was worried with the direction our nation was taking. The cost of real estate was unbelievable and the way people were using their homes as savings accounts was dangerous in my way of thinking. So coming accross a guy who could point me into a direction that would allow me to feel prepared and safer in a world gone mad (even my own children were swallowed into the abiss) was fantastic.

However, quite a few of the preppers I met in the beginning of my journy have fallen off the track. They still have hopes and dreams of being fully prepared one day, but no action on their part (other then word of mouth) has taken place.

I was dissappointed at first. Then I realized that we are all individuals that walk our own paths in life. I keep on prepping. I keep my mind open to others thoughts and am glad that one of my children has seen the lite and is prepping and making plans to join us on our homestead before it all falls apart.

We all have to take responsibility for the way we live our lives and we have to accept the consiquences of that lifestyle. I am not saying my lifestyle is the right one for everyone. It is the right one for me. Everyone else has to find the lifestyle that is right for them.

God bless and keep on prepping.
 

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Aint that the fact!!, The thing with most survivalists and preppers is that we are already well motivated, thinking, challenging strong willed individuals, and as you so wisely point out we all have our own destinies, agendas and work rates. Loose cooperation is probably the best way we can assist each other without getting intrusive or confrontational.

We all have to take responsibility for the way we live our lives and we have to accept the consiquences of that lifestyle. I am not saying my lifestyle is the right one for everyone. It is the right one for me. Everyone else has to find the lifestyle that is right for them.

God bless and keep on prepping.
 

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Does anyone in here accually teamed up with anyone else outside their own family? Not on the forum, but in real life as in friend or neighbour?
 

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Does anyone in here accually teamed up with anyone else outside their own family? Not on the forum, but in real life as in friend or neighbour?
Yup, I have have various good contacts over the years with other survivalists both in the UK and EIRE and also in Kansas.
 

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I have, kinda sorta. They are small holders and folks with skill sets and good ethics- but not proper preppers, and they don't really know that they are on the provurbial 'list' - but hard times have been discussed in passing and some points gotten across. But I have no actual contact with other proper preppers/survivalists in the real world, I would like to, even just to discuss stuff with a real person, lol, prepping can be lonely :eek::
 

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I live in a small valley surrounded by people who hunt/fish for their winter meat. Most of them grow and preserve fruits and vegetables. A lot of us raise fowl and rabbit as well as larger farm animals.

Family/friend cooperation for large projects is very common in our valley. So, I know that our friends/family and neighbors will be there to assist and be assisted when the shtf.

God bless and keep on prepping.
 
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