It would only supersede the 2ND Amendment if the sheeple allow it.
I guess we are screwed.
XR750

 

I'd say that was pretty accurate.

 

The UN has no jurisdiction over me, or the US Constitution.
Period. The UN cannot even run a feed-the-starving program.
Usless, corrupt and toothless.

 

blue is a easy color to see also

 

Blue Hats make an excellent Point of Aim. Just sayin'.

 

No treaty supercedes the Constitution.

ARTICLE I Section 10
Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.



ARTICLE II Section 1
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." No where does it say enter into a treaty with the UN! It IS what it is!

Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. *Note
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
*Note well this. Anything not expressly granted to the Federal government is reserved for the States or the People. Although this amendment is very liberally interpreted, it is one of the tenets of the Constitution. This amendment is also known as the States' Rights Amendment.


The "Oath of Office" and these two Constitutional Amendments spell it out and there's NO rocket science to it! The listed Articles and excerpts from the aforementioned Articles are supreme law of the land.:thumb:

 

You left out the part about under a national emergency, martial law can be declared then the constitution goes out the window.

 

...I have been told that if the United Nations were to pass a ban on small arms, and our Government (Obama) were to sign it into law, that it would basically supersede the Second Amendment...

I am most likely missing some steps but I believe a treaty would have to be approved by 2/3rds of the Senate and then any conflicting U.S. laws would have to be changed as well. The Constitution would have to be changed. I believe that would require 2/3rds of both the Congress and Senate to propose a Constitutional amendment and for 3/4 of the legislatures of the states to ratify the amendment...

So there isn't much chance of a ban on small arms, as the result of a treaty actually happening in the U.S. for the foreseeable future.

But that won't stop the anti-gun crowd from trying to avoid, bypass or circumvent the Second Amendment in other sneaky ways.

 

I am most likely missing some steps but I believe a treaty would have to be approved by 2/3rds of the Senate and then any conflicting U.S. laws would have to be changed as well. The Constitution would have to be changed. I believe that would require 2/3rds of both the Congress and Senate to propose a Constitutional amendment and for 3/4 of the legislatures of the states to ratify the amendment...

So there isn't much chance of a ban on small arms, as the result of a treaty actually happening in the U.S. for the foreseeable future.
But that won't stop the anti-gun crowd from trying to avoid, bypass or circumvent the Second Amendment in other sneaky ways.

Even the liberals know that is a freight train they don't want to get in front of. Political suicide would be the least of their worries and even they know that.:thumb:

 

Craig, if Ruby Ridge and Waco didn't show you just how much the Communists care about dealing legally, then you need to think about the proposition all over again. Communists like Pelosi, and Reid, and Obama would not scruple to see us all dead, and they will use the United Nations as their cats' paw to do the dirty work.

I spent much of my youth and middle years fighting the Communists, and now they are in charge in the nation I swore to defend. It makes me ill to realize that. And you do not wish to see inside my heart of hearts when the Media or academia are mentioned. The sight would make you ill.

 

Craig, if Ruby Ridge and Waco didn't show you just how much the Communists care about dealing legally, then you need to think about the proposition all over again. Communists like Pelosi, and Reid, and Obama would not scruple to see us all dead, and they will use the United Nations as their cats' paw to do the dirty work.

I spent much of my youth and middle years fighting the Communists, and now they are in charge in the nation I swore to defend. It makes me ill to realize that. And you do not wish to see inside my heart of hearts when the Media or academia are mentioned. The sight would make you ill.

We are STILL under Oath to do just that my brother! Like you, I, and millions of others....we did NOT see an expiration date on that Oath, did we? I take it that you are an Oath Keeper.:thumb:

 

The Constitution enumerates the rights God gave us. Not the rights the Communists are trying to persuade us that the JBTs are allowing us to have at their pleasure. It is a body of law that says "Hands Off" to the Feds. To break those strictures is treason, kind lady and gentlemen. And treason is a capital crime.

 

The Constitution enumerates the rights God gave us. Not the rights the Communists are trying to persuade us that the JBTs are allowing us to have at their pleasure. It is a body of law that says "Hands Off" to the Feds. To break those strictures is treason, kind lady and gentlemen. And treason is a capital crime.

Big HERE! HERE! to ALL that!:thumb:

 

Greg Nickels, Nominee for Alternate Representative of the United States of America to the Sixty-fifth Session of the General Assembly of the United Nations - http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...press-office/2010/09/15/president-obama-announces-more-key-administration-posts

I see that our President is padding his Gun Control employee list. Greg Nickels is the anti-gun former Mayor of Seattle, the one that the NRA helped defeat in the last election.

I don't know about the rest of the UN representatives that were appointed, but I find it kind of disheartening that this man will be representing our country's interests in the United Nations.

I have been told that if the United Nations were to pass a ban on small arms, and our Government (Obama) were to sign it into law, that it would basically supersede the Second Amendment. I hope that this isn't true, do any of you know for sure? That would be a total home run for the liberal anti-gunners. They wouldn't have to do anything, and their wet dream of a gun ban would be in place, and legal. This scares the **** out of me.

"Never take counsel of your fears" and "Never fear failure." General George S. Patton

Failure is NOT an option here!:thumb:

 

Since when has the UN been able to enforce anything or impose it's will on anybody without the help of the US military. Want to see a real disaster? Try to bring foreign troops here to take a single gun away. They don't have that many body bags.

 

i do believe you are right. just look at all the firearms a sales since 2008, look at the ammunition sales. sorry looked for the stats. Americans are buying as much as can for this kind of situation.

 

If anyone knows the best detergent to remove blood and brains from pretty sky blue berets ,they may want to send the info to the un so they can clean themselves up when they come for the guns.

 

If anyone knows the best detergent to remove blood and brains from pretty sky blue berets ,they may want to send the info to the un so they can clean themselves up when they come for the guns.

Rest assured that they will get their asses handed to them if they are stupid enough to try it!:thumb:

 

What sight shows up best against a robin's egg blue helmet? Fiber optic red looks like it would work pretty well, but is there something better?

 

Declare us a rogue nation, and try to funnel off their problem children into our back yards.

 

The U.N. wants to be the big cheese in the world and have the entire world under their thumb. In order for this to happen the U.S.A. must fall. We are the only nation in the world who’s citizens are armed to a degree that we can be considered a threat to them. In 2007 14,000,000 hunting licenses were sold in the U.S.A. That is 14,000,000 U.S. citizens that are armed with at least a rifle, muzzle loader, shotgun, bow or crossbow. Each hunter has in addition to his/her weapon they have boots, clothing that blends into their environment, something to carry their gear in and have knowledge of their hunting grounds. A lot of the hunters also practice small group tactics in their efforts to bag their pray. This means that there are at least 14,000,000 armed citizens capable of defending the U.S.A., this number does not include citizens that exmilitary that are not hunters, firearm enthuse the person that owns a fire arm for self defense. When you include everyone in this country that could stand up for the defense of the U.S.A. we would prove a force to reckoned with. The U.N. can not obtain world domination as long as the United States of America is a sovran nation.

The United States of America is the only nation in the world that could even hope to stand up to the rest of the world.

What is happening to the economy in the U.S.A. is not by chance it is by design. The U.S. must be weakened and its’ citizens must be forced to become dependant on the government for there daily bread. It is impossible for a government to gain total control of its’ citizens during a time of prosperity. As more and more of our citizens are weakened and our country is diluted by noncitizens the U.N. will be able to exert more control over us.

 

The globalists at the UN are facing the same problem faced by the cause of international Communism: "We will never conquer America, for in America, there is a gun behind every blade of grass" - Mao Tse Tung

I look at it this way. I shoot. My wife shoots. My 8 y/o daughter shoots. My 62 y/o mother can shoot, but hasn't in years. My 4 y/o needs someone to help her steady the stock so she can focus on pulling the trigger.

That's 3 competent marksmen and two who can at least reload magazines.

My neighbors in all directions as far as the eye can see are in the same situation. And this is a DEEP BLUE state. I can only imagine that it is even better in the red states.

 

I have been told that if the United Nations were to pass a ban on small arms, and our Government (Obama) were to sign it into law, that it would basically supersede the Second Amendment.

You were misinformed by someone who is either very ignorant, wants to incite panic, or just likes to lie ... or all three.

The SCOTUS has ruled on numerous occasions that international law or policy shall never supersede US law on US soil.

B. Hussein O'Bama would be better off just signing an Executive Order outlawing guns ... but even that would be tough for even His Highness to pull off.

Quit worrying about the UN and their BS. It has been beaten to death already.

 

Quit worrying about the UN and their BS. It has been beaten to death already.

I gotta agree. It (the UN taking over and taking our guns) is not going to happen. Number 1, there are too many armed citizens in this country for them to try and Number 2, our Generals would not let it happen.

Now, there is this little thing about an agreement between us and Canada that, should they be needed, Canadian troops could end up down here ... but they are not that dumb.

 

what about other government tactics that we may have never even thought about ,something so mundane that our train of thoughts(which is survival) has not even thought about?

 

all i have to say is here kitty,kitty(blue hat wearing mother ficker) here kitty kitty.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that the day will come when we will be hunting blue headed frogs.

 

I love the USA and I have nothing good to say about the UN:thumb:

 

I'd suggest you have duplicate caches of guns and ammo and study up some of the suggestions on storing guns for future need.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=how+to+bury+guns


But, it would not come to that IF Americans had some balls and were unionized in their effort. And most important...the citizens had some 'self sufficiency' for such a strike.

If and when America is ready for a revolt over the travesty of American political system, all you have to do is to follow the lead of our politicians and DO NOTHING.

No need to resort to violence. The gov will always win such a battle. And if the citizens act up too much ... the gov will microwave you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

But, by the citizens doing nothing, America can be shut down by a well placed completely peaceful strike. Just the truckers, airline pilots, doctors and utility workers could shut the US down if they ever got ****ed at the corrupt politicians.

When it comes down to it, we are dependent on strong government to keep the invading armies at bay. But everyday life is NOT dependent on the politicians flapping their jaws and blowing hot air out their ass.

What we are dependent on is each other and our cooperation at making life livable from the lowest **** shoveler and up the ladder to the highest doctor or airline pilot.

But coming back to reality...the citizens of the US of A are...IMPOTENT and COWARDS. They will do nothing but keep taking it in the rear from their beloved 'political deities'

The gov has welcomed all this recent fear based boost in business for guns and ammo the last couple years. They will take any boost in the economy they can get to keep the Ponzi scheme going for now. But sooner or later their long term goal of confiscating all guns will prove more desirable to them than supporting a few jobs.

When firearms go...all goes...so they might as well be cutting your balls off when they show up for your guns.

The writing is on the wall. All guns must be confiscated before the class wars get out of hand. As the disparity between the rich and poor escalate, the poor will start class wars as they have done throughout history when he rich crowd out their very survival through greed.

The poor have no other alternative-do they? The rich control the gov and only pass legislation to benefit the rich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_conflict

Guns are a populations last line of defense. Look at Afghanistan...they beat Russia with guns. And the US is still having trouble with the people there from their guns. (and some RPG's.)

Let's look at what happens when a country has no guns. Burma was a recent example of what happens. A dictator comes to power with plenty of guns, but when it comes to the populace...they cannot be trusted with guns.

This quote was attributed to George Washington but other authorities say it is a counterfeit quote. Whomever said it...it is gospel.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon, and citizen's firearms are indelibly related. From the moment the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes; we need them every hour."

 

Originally Posted by American ME!
We are STILL under Oath to do just that my brother! Like you, I, and millions of others....we did NOT see an expiration date on that Oath, did we? I take it that you are an Oath Keeper.

Originally Posted by labotomi
I'll have to think about that statement as it also includes obeying the orders of the President of the United States.

There is a difference between defending your country and defending your government. The current government is quickly becoming the enemy of this country.

 

I understand that, but if you read the oath I took, it includes both.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

 

I have been told that if the United Nations were to pass a ban on small arms, and our Government (Obama) were to sign it into law, that it would basically supersede the Second Amendment.

Who told you that?

 

1) It would neither supercede the Constitution, nor any of its properly passed Amendments.

2) Even if the UN/US did succeed in convincing the American people that it did override the 2A, they would find enforcement spotty, at best. People like the Oath Keepers would help to thwart their plans.

3) "When law becomes tyranny, resistance becomes duty," Thomas Jefferson.

4) The Constitution, itself, defers to Natural Law. Seizing my guns violates the "Big Three" Natural Law positive rights: Life, Liberty, and Property. It is one of very few actions that violates all 3.

5) There are 100 million of "us" (private gun owners) and fewer than a million of "them" (military and LE). Even assuming that ALL of "them" turned against "us" (unlikely), we still outnumber "them" over 100 to 1.

 

Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2009/09/police-state-in-hardin-montana.html

 

If this is true, it is likely in response to Montana's stance that guns manufactured and sold in Montana are not subject to federal law.

I guess from here on in, I won't be obeying the police if they sound like they are not from the US.

 

Let's all take a breath here. We absolutely need to oppose efforts to subvert our Constitution and/or take away our right to bare arms. That being said, gun rights have expanded during the last decade. Legal cases are affirming an intelligent definition of the 2nd Amendment. Obama has not tried to take away guns, nor do I believe he will. Politicians have learned that gun control is a losing issue. Al Gore and John McCain have lost votes (and possibly elections) because of it. I'm a fairly politically independent but I will vote almost entirely based on a candidates stance on gun control if it is a serious issue during an election. One problem I do have is the constant fear mongering. Yes there are people who want to curtail our 2nd Amendment rights. The irony is that liberals, who generally have a standing fear of the police, the federal government, and the military are often on the wrong side of this issue. But I do have a problem with the NRA constantly agitating for political gain. People are basically stocking up on guns and ammo out of an artificial fear. The assault weapons ban has expired, court cases involving city bans on handguns are being fought (and won by 2nd Amendment advocates), states continue to expand gun rights. Save the paranoia because at some point there will probably be a resurgence of gun control advocacy.

 

Greg Nickels, Nominee for Alternate Representative of the United States of America to the Sixty-fifth Session of the General Assembly of the United Nations - http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...press-office/2010/09/15/president-obama-announces-more-key-administration-posts

I see that our President is padding his Gun Control employee list. Greg Nickels is the anti-gun former Mayor of Seattle, the one that the NRA helped defeat in the last election.

I don't know about the rest of the UN representatives that were appointed, but I find it kind of disheartening that this man will be representing our country's interests in the United Nations.

I have been told that if the United Nations were to pass a ban on small arms, and our Government (Obama) were to sign it into law, that it would basically supersede the Second Amendment. I hope that this isn't true, do any of you know for sure? That would be a total home run for the liberal anti-gunners. They wouldn't have to do anything, and their wet dream of a gun ban would be in place, and legal. This scares the **** out of me.

laws have to 1st go through congress and the senate as a bill and then once approved by them they send it to the presdent who either signs it or vetos it. the only thing obama can do alone without any consent is to agree to treaties with other countries like NAFTA

 

Puts the poor troop in a dirty place when his officers are politically inclined....