These comments are going to elicit a quick response from Moscow.

Laughter?

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^^^ +1

...or maybe a 'High Five' amongst Putin & his cronies as the ground rumbles with the passing of their T-90s heading for Ukraine.

NOTHING blinds or motivates a country like a 'good' war to restore national prestige/pride. To sell that requires unsurpassed sales and marketing skills. In that arena, Putin makes Hitler and Dale Carnegie look like cherubic lemonade stand owners.

 

wait I thought they already did?

 

somebody needs to fill them in on Obammy and Benghazi .... "immediately" depends on the hole being played on the golf course

 

yeah, right . the bamster will get right on it... oh wait.. he's playing golf..

 

Russia already invaded Ukraine..

 

doling out the pay for the 'pro russian protesters' in eastern ukraine:

 

The US's response, "Such provocative actions from Russia will mean further isolation from the worlds community" given in a quick speech by Obama while exiting Air-force One or from a helicopter at the Whitehouse lawn. "Let me be clear" will be tossed in to show he really means it this time.

 

Oh No! Not the "Let me be clear... comment!?!? Well, were I Putin, I'd be scootin' back to Moscow afetr hearing that!

 

Obama will say "At this point what does it matter!"
oh nvm that's Hillary's line

 

If only Reagan was in the White House and Thatcher was in Downing St.

 

Of course, all of Ukraine was firmly a part of the USSR back then.

Once Putin's paid agitators force another couple of plebiscites in eastern Ukraine the new 'regional parliaments' will grant Russia unrestricted travel rights, while nominally remaining part of Ukraine.

So he gets his 'land bridge' to Crimea with no need for any invasion.

 

yep...have to chuckle at what I know, from multiple examples, the "immediate response" will be from this Admin...and yer right... there will be a "Let me be clear" on that teleprompter for sure!


if there was to be an immediate response from the U.S. we'd already have boots on the ground, camp setup, heavy wheels rolling, logistics for re-supply, at least one carrier and support group hanging nose to nose with the Ruskie tubs off the coast.

our Emergency national oil reserves tanks would be filling up, and negotiations already wrapped up for purchases of crude across the next term.

Announcements of seasonal blending etc at refineries would be suspended to allow production to flow quickly ...the list goes on...

Missile defense would be in place in the various places and the prez would be sitting by the fireplace at 9pm explaining this to the fellow Americans.

these are things that Putin would understand...as it is..he understands our current leadership all too well...

 

yep...have to chuckle at what I know, from multiple examples, the "immediate response" will be from this Admin...and yer right... there will be a "Let me be clear" on that teleprompter for sure!


if there was to be an immediate response from the U.S. we'd already have boots on the ground, camp setup, heavy wheels rolling, logistics for re-supply, at least one carrier and support group hanging nose to nose with the Ruskie tubs off the coast.

our Emergency national oil reserves tanks would be filling up, and negotiations already wrapped up for purchases of crude across the next term.

Announcements of seasonal blending etc at refineries would be suspended to allow production to flow quickly ...the list goes on...

Missile defense would be in place in the various places and the prez would be sitting by the fireplace at 9pm explaining this to the fellow Americans.

these are things that Putin would understand...as it is..he understands our current leadership all too well...

Well said! Or rather he understands our current lack of leadership all too well.

 

It would only prove to be yet another stupid mistake in a long line of stupid mistakes that this administration has made. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen though, as apparently the Sterling debacle is the most important thing happening in America now.

FORE!

 

…."Wait until AFTER the election, I'll have more Leeway then…"

 

Funny, that's all I keep hearing too!

 

This is wishful thinking on the part of the Ukrainians. I've known people who were in Hungary during the uprising of 1956. The rebels were telling themselves and anybody else who would listen that the Russians wouldn't dare intervene because the Americans would come to their aid. The Russian tanks rolled in and crushed the rebellion and America did nothing. This was when Eisenhower was president, a Republican conservative with a certain amount of military experience. We're not going to intervene in Ukraine not because of a Democratic administration headed by Obama, but because it would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

 

I love how they always use such broad terms to basicially let the reader see the worst possible image

U.S. would respond immediately if Russia were to invade Ukraine.

With what, leaflets?

the U.S. would respond immediately and that "such a scenario would lead to tragic consequences."

Meaning Ukraine would be a part of Russia and there's nothing we could do about it, but it would be tragic.

If we retaliated with anything but words, it would mean WWIII. I'm betting on our Government not doing anything, nor should they. But I will say I am a little scared reading this, because our government might just be stupid enough to do it. With all the debt we're in, with our military being where it is today, I just don't see anything good coming from any sort of intervention.

 

I love how they always use such broad terms to basicially let the reader see the worst possible image



With what, leaflets?



Meaning Ukraine would be a part of Russia and there's nothing we could do about it, but it would be tragic.

If we retaliated with anything but words, it would mean WWIII. I'm betting on our Government not doing anything, nor should they. But I will say I am a little scared reading this, because our government might just be stupid enough to do it. With all the debt we're in, with our military being where it is today, I just don't see anything good coming from any sort of intervention.

The Dems certainly need something to take their mind off of their ineptitude, failed policies and woes, hey, why not WWIII? It's not like that would be the first time the Dems pulled such a stunt after all!

 

You know, In West Germany, I was with the 56th FA Brigade (HHSB 3rd/84th Neckarsulm) off and on during the last years of the Pershing II missile system. I don't seem to recall hearing a bunch of crap from Russia then.

We lost control when we stood down in Germany. Putin has recognized this & misses his glory days as a KGB operative. Of all things in our country, the world, etc., going on; Putin concerns me the most. At a minimum, we are on the brink of another 'Cold War' that this time we are not the shoe-in to win. The USSR was very economically stressed and in quite the disrepair when we upped the ante with the Pershing II missile system. They could not financially compete any longer & upgrading their SS series missiles was no longer viable; the technology was too antiquated. We essentially won the 'Cold War' by bankrupting the USSR. Well, that's no longer the case. Russia's wealth has grown immensely thanks to its reserves of fossil fuels and the like & Putin is eager to spend it. He carries a grudge. He likes the attention. He is a dreamer. Hmmmm ... sound familiar? Adolf Hitler ring a bell?

 

The ambassadors words were "The US will React......." This is really embarrassing. Why don't they Sanction Putin?? He's rich as hell. I wonder how that happened? LOL of course Obama's News channels are not covering it. It shows they are also embarrassed. Don't get me wrong I am not Pro US troops in Ukraine. But they still have put NOTHING of note in front of him. Since when was defense Politically incorrect?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if someone did actually draw a red line and stand behind it. Poland for example.

The amount of "concern" the crisis in Ukraine causes an individual country is directly proportional to its geographic distance from events on the ground.

Some of the countries that border this area have some fresh and not so good memories of this kind of gunpoint diplomacy. If a shooting war overspills, NATO could very quickly find itself forced to honour defence treaties.

I'm not suggesting it's inevitable but Putin knows that Barry doesn't have the balls for this kind of high stakes brinkmanship. Other countries have way more flesh in this game and should Barry back down again, stand by for a major reset geopolitically worldwide.

China, Iran, Russia are all watching this unfold VERY closely.

Internationally, countries are well aware of Americas desire to influence events but without a President willing to back up policy with use of force, it all becomes somewhat academic. That reality doesn't really bare thinking about.

Many potential flash points could become hot very quickly as a power vacuum gets filled by any country willing to back up its claims by use of force.

Of course none of the above could happen as Barry the Kenyan chap will stamp his feet, wag his finger, form debate groups and appeal to .... uugh it's not even funny anymore.

 

China, Iran, Russia are all watching this unfold VERY closely.

throw out china and that's why saudi arabia is watching also as they have the most to lose w/iran...and russia sponsors iran.

tow missiles have been showing up in syria. with something like 30 or more countries having them in their inventory....bet they didn't come from the usa at all.

like you said, with the neutered prezzie of the usa, other countries are getting involved in the proxy wars going on.

 

If the US and Western Europe take a really, really strong stance Putin will back down. He is too smart to risk WWIII over the Ukraine. the problem is we are too afraid to take a strong stance

 

And why should America take a strong stance on this? The only upsides to intervening are the possibility that American companies can sell more natural gas to western Europe and American military contractors can cash in. Western Europe has far more upside to keeping Russia out of Ukraine and therefore should take more of a lead on this but they have not and will not. In fact they're still buying oil and gas from Russia. As much as a lot of members on this board seem to think Obama is weak and don't like his policies, he's saved a lot of American blood and treasure by not dragging us into senseless conflicts and by demanding that the rest of the world engage as well.

In the world today the greatest weapon that can be used against a country is not a bomb or a gun. Yes those things create fear but they can also unite a country against an enemy. The greatest weapon is economic. As a country we almost went broke because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and another prolonged military engagement probably will financially break the country. It is also now possible for a foreign country to fund a candidate for US government office and I'd like to see anyone blame that one on Obama's policies.

 

no. neither will

 

The vacuum created by a combination of America's faltering currency, downsizing military, and lack of political (and even civilian) resolve, WILL begin to be filled by Russia, China and others.
Putin stated in clear terms, years ago, that he hopes to revive the Russian empire.
I'll go on record here (again?) that Putin IS going to move on the Ukraine, and beyond.
And if I lived anywhere in S.E. Asia or the S. Pacific, I'd be looking towards China with extreme trepidation,as well.

 

Whatever Mil-Dot ... how can we trust a man that bought a Glock over a 1911? Huh? Tell me! TELL.ME.NOW! :thumb: :taped:

Sorry OP!

 

We'll respond like we did in Benghazi!:

 

Let me be perfectly clear, once Russia invades another country - any country, Russian girl scout cookies will be banned in the USA.

 

We ran the Soviet Union into the ground, and for the last 25 years we have rubbed it into the Russians faces. These people can hold a grudge and will do anything to get even. Putin see's a golden opportunity because obama is weak, and he is getting even.

 

The thing not mentioned in the US media is that there are actually millions of Russian citizens living in eastern Ukraine. So Putin has an obligation to those citizens of Russia living there than the US has ANY business in that part of the world.

I'm actually enjoying seeing Putin making Obama & Kerry look like incompetent fools.

 

What Oblama really said - "Blah, blah, blah, blah ..... blah!"

 

Why is it that the US alway the one to respond