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The EDL I think have now been hijacked by extremists, racists and chavs, Its original reason for being IE to protest angainst Islamic extremism and the pandering to muslims by TPTB has now changed. As for the cops must have been 40 of them in view and I reckon their combined IQs would not reach double numbers.
 

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Yeah , I think people need to be aware that some of the folks NR is talking about, are putting pigs heads and pigs trotters on proposed mosque sites and on mosques that are in use. This of course is never reported on the MSM, so nobody is being told about the trouble simmering and they'll walk into in unawares and get the shock of their lives when it kicks off near them (I won't post the videos but you can see them on you tube if you search). How would you react, if you were a devout muslim and people kept putting these things on your place of worship?
 

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How would you react, if you were a devout muslim and people kept putting these things on your place of worship?
Id take the hint and move back to a muslim country.
The problem is the muzzies are so used to the establishment kowing down to them and we all know the powers that be dont represent us anymore.
They are starting to find out just what the man in the street thinks of them and there evil religion.
 

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Come on, a lot of these people are 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants who were born here. What country are they 'going to go back' to exactly ?...
 

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Come on, a lot of these people are 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants who were born here. What country are they 'going to go back' to exactly ?...
But whilst I agree with you why are we hearing of 3rd generation asian muslims who's first language is STILL not English, Indeed there are a few fortunately rare stories of 4th generation Asian kiddies starting school who speak urdu, hindi, gujurati etc fluently but can only manage basic ENGLISH.

It is a simple undeniable fact that whilst most sikhs, buddists, hindus and christians from the sub continent have integrated fully into British society the majority of muslims have not. Every issue the muslim community raises involves us giving ground to THEIR cultural beliefs and practises, and if we dont give them their way from Halal slaughter, prayer rooms, dress values, and barbaric outmoded views on justice and womens rights they riot, or commit terrorist atrocties.

On a latenight chatshow recently their was a nice muslim community spokesman on claiming the muslim community was fully integrated into mainstream British society. So I asked him how many muslim girls in his community married or dated outside their faith group, how many girls socialised outside school with none muslims. He said he did not know any, yet he was highly involved in the local youth and community scene.
 

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Come on, a lot of these people are 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants who were born here. What country are they 'going to go back' to exactly ?...
On a similar vein to this I recall the issue of Black Africans who had arrived here in the last 20 years insisting that they were as British as any white person who had lived here for generations. I remember 3 black activists on the radio denoucing any whites who thought any black British citizens as anything but British were just, I quote " pig ignorant racist barbarians" So I phone the radio station and asked them how they described many very senior African statesmen, politicians and leaders including senior members of the league of African Nations who annouced " It does not matter how many generations whites have lived in places like Zambia, *****ia, Zimbabwe and South African for over 300 years, We will NEVER accept them as Africans.

Whats good for the goose I say.
 

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But whilst I agree with you why are we hearing of 3rd generation asian muslims who's first language is STILL not English, Indeed there are a few fortunately rare stories of 4th generation Asian kiddies starting school who speak urdu, hindi, gujurati etc fluently but can only manage basic ENGLISH.

It is a simple undeniable fact that whilst most sikhs, buddists, hindus and christians from the sub continent have integrated fully into British society the majority of muslims have not. Every issue the muslim community raises involves us giving ground to THEIR cultural beliefs and practises, and if we dont give them their way from Halal slaughter, prayer rooms, dress values, and barbaric outmoded views on justice and womens rights they riot, or commit terrorist atrocties.

On a latenight chatshow recently their was a nice muslim community spokesman on claiming the muslim community was fully integrated into mainstream British society. So I asked him how many muslim girls in his community married or dated outside their faith group, how many girls socialised outside school with none muslims. He said he did not know any, yet he was highly involved in the local youth and community scene.
I think you've got to the point of the problem there, there does seem to be a problem with Muslims integrating in our society, what the solution is I don't know. Perhaps education, but certainly not the old 'put them on the boat back home' BNP solution...
 

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Yeah , I think people need to be aware that some of the folks NR is talking about, are putting pigs heads and pigs trotters on proposed mosque sites and on mosques that are in use. This of course is never reported on the MSM, so nobody is being told about the trouble simmering and they'll walk into in unawares and get the shock of their lives when it kicks off near them (I won't post the videos but you can see them on you tube if you search). How would you react, if you were a devout muslim and people kept putting these things on your place of worship?
I hate racists and bigots but be honest I think their ARE more on the muslim side than on the white British side. I met a group of EDL members about two years ago and at that time they only wanted to object as forcibly as possible to Muslim fundamentalism and Islamic extremists who for the last 13 years the Labour govt have grovelled to at every opportunity. I still think the EDL have a Very valid argument, but the wellards and half wits have hijacked the cause.
 

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I think you've got to the point of the problem there, there does seem to be a problem with Muslims integrating in our society, what the solution is I don't know. Perhaps education, but certainly not the old 'put them on the boat back home' BNP solution...
Duno for sure, I think citizenship should be earned over say 10 years, put the immigrations on probation and make them prove they can be good Brits, If they incite hatred or intolerence of commit ANY criminal offence they SHOULD be then deported along with their entire immediate family.

I think if Britain is to recover its greatness it needs to first get out of the EUssr, Scrap the human rights laws, then adress the cancers affecting society such as socialism and the welfare state which have been a complete disaster for this country since 1948. We should FORCE a referendum on the Scots, Irish and Welsh and insist once and for all that every adult votes to either stay as part of the UK or to go their own way. Let us adress the issues once and for all that are dividing us and resolve them once and for all.

As for tomorrow and immigration, regardless of race, creed or colour the UK is full up, we cant take any more.
 

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Duno for sure, I think citizenship should be earned over say 10 years, put the immigrations on probation and make them prove they can be good Brits, If they incite hatred or intolerence of commit ANY criminal offence they SHOULD be then deported along with their entire immediate family.

I think if Britain is to recover its greatness it needs to first get out of the EUssr, Scrap the human rights laws, then adress the cancers affecting society such as socialism and the welfare state which have been a complete disaster for this country since 1948. We should FORCE a referendum on the Scots, Irish and Welsh and insist once and for all that every adult votes to either stay as part of the UK or to go their own way. Let us adress the issues once and for all that are dividing us and resolve them once and for all.

As for tomorrow and immigration, regardless of race, creed or colour the UK is full up, we cant take any more.
I think the overpopulation issue is going to bite us in the butt in years to come, peak oil etc we need to drastically reduce our population if we are ever going to be self sustaining...
 

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They said that before and its been tried (education), I say we give it a go with the boat and see what happens :p
Aye education that really works doesnt it, £700 million spent on educating children about sex, end result the UK has about the worst rates of Teen pregnancy in the entire western world. £50 million running education programs teaching kids that going truant would ruin their future, end result truancies went up by a third. Millions spent in Scotland, Wales and chunks of England teaching kids about healthy eating, end result is the Scots and northern Brits have the highest childhood obesity levels in the EU.Millions spend on supporting immigration community cohesion and integration programs, some of the money ended up going to muslim extremists, others got stolen, multi cultural centres became muslim only centres. After 30 years of integration and education muslims still murder daughters for honour, they live even more seperate lives from the rest of us than ever, scandal after scandal emerges about Asian grooming very young white children as sex slaves. Not to mention the idiot sub humans of New Labour who's idea of integration was to encourage seperate schools, muslim only swimming lessons, muslim girls only school buses.
 

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I think the overpopulation issue is going to bite us in the butt in years to come, peak oil etc we need to drastically reduce our population if we are ever going to be self sustaining...
Back in the 70s and 80s much brighter and wiser academics than us concluded that the UK could sustain a population of between 47 and 55 million people in such a way that our island nation environment would NOT suffer any permenant damage or degridation in its quality. If we went much past the mid 50 millions the very fabric of our beatiful island environment would be damaged AND our SOCIAL infrastrucure and utilities would become grossly over stretched.

Now look at the mess we are in grossly overcrowded filthy crime infested cities with roaming ethnic gangs, population numbers so high that millions will face a future of NEVER being able to find work, Ethnic and religous tensions are increasing fast as every faction in society fights for ever dwindling resources EG the waiting list for a council house has risen in some areas from 5 to 17 years long. Public transport systems and roads that are running at capacity, schools, hospitals and welfare systems grossly overstretched and that is even with us paying record levels in taxation.
Far to many people with many of them incompatable with the majority of others living on an overcrowded island with dwindling resources are ever less job prospects. Isnt the social welfare state GREAT !!!

Instead of a totally capitalistic system with the unequal distribution of wealth we now have a socialist welfarew state and the equal sharing of misry for all.
 

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Aye education that really works doesnt it, £700 million spent on educating children about sex, end result the UK has about the worst rates of Teen pregnancy in the entire western world. £50 million running education programs teaching kids that going truant would ruin their future, end result truancies went up by a third. Millions spent in Scotland, Wales and chunks of England teaching kids about healthy eating, end result is the Scots and northern Brits have the highest childhood obesity levels in the EU.Millions spend on supporting immigration community cohesion and integration programs, some of the money ended up going to muslim extremists, others got stolen, multi cultural centres became muslim only centres. After 30 years of integration and education muslims still murder daughters for honour, they live even more seperate lives from the rest of us than ever, scandal after scandal emerges about Asian grooming very young white children as sex slaves. Not to mention the idiot sub humans of New Labour who's idea of integration was to encourage seperate schools, muslim only swimming lessons, muslim girls only school buses.

So I'll let you 'pick the people to go home on the boats' then yes ?....:eek:
 

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So I'll let you 'pick the people to go home on the boats' then yes ?....:eek:
Start with the 400,000 ILLEGAL immigrants, then the unemployed foreign migrants such as the thousands of eastern europeans who arrived recently and just signed on, make sure EVERY Iraqi and Afghan who arrived as asylum seekersis returned except those who worked for the forces. Why are we harbouring West Indians ??, Jamaicans??, Americans?? *****ians, Zimbabweans, South Africans? We could lose a few million easily and not deport one genuine Indian or Gurka, or Chinese, Or South American migrant.

And we should send the damn trade unionists and socialists with them ( plus anyone who reads the Guardian):)
 
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