[rncmomx2]

I just had a van full of Bible College students (have nothing against the church - just feel they should obey posted signs) pull in to my third driveway (which is clearly posted "Private Drive/Property NO TREASPASSING") then pull up to my first driveway (where my children were playing with BO-who by the way feels a whole lot better today) park the van in the road (not pulling into the "NO TREASPASSING" posted driveway) and proceed to walk towards my house as I am yelling "YOU NEED TO LEAVE, THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY". Bo goes to run out to the road and meet them at the end, "I say you have about 5 seconds before he tears into you and I ain't stopping him". They just looked at me I yelled for him to get em: (really he would have just run them and waited for more commands before doing anything else), they run back to the van and have the nerve to call the sheriffs office. They came and made a report, sheriff told them the property is posted and they treaspassed. I was within my rights and since there were no property damage/personal injuries the sheriff told them to move on and not to come back to the property again (they come every year and we always have the same discussion-just new students).

They (personally) have no issues with crossing the posted property, I understand they are out of state college students trying to sell subscriprions to books-but come on posted property is posted property. They have told me in the past that where they come from it's OK to come on the property you just can't drive onto the property WTFreak. They need to learn that no treaspassing means don't walk, ride, drive, crawl, hop, skip or jump onto the property anywhere.


Anyone else have this problem?

Would you treaspass on someones property just to make a sale?

(sorry if I put this in the wrong place, I live in the country/backwoods but this seems like a problem more to be seen by urban dwellers)

 

[sensthebard]

LmAO NOW THATS FUNNY

 

[Herne]

Yep rncmomx2 I had a similar problem 4mths ago, only mine was a local shopkeeper coming thru our chained gate and up to the house in a van. Apparently he thought noone was home and was looking to dog-nap my horse sized Great Dane for a guard dog or something. I happened to be home and chased them back out to the gate (3 guys and my dog in the van). Got my dog back, ran them off with a baseball bat and sent the LEOs after them. Turds like that need a lesson IMO.

Try putting up one of these signs to see if it helps

 

[rncmomx2]

L_O_V_E the sign, but you would think that "TREASPASSERS WILL BE SHOT- nearsest hospital is 38 miles-Do you wanna push me?" would work. But it doesn't. We have that posted every 16 foot and regular signs every 8 foot. It has 2 signs on each pole on either side of my driveways (3 driveways total), all of the homes near me have similar signs posted. I know when I see a property that has posted signs (unless I have been invited) I steer clear, I have respect for there property.

Is it a respect issue that drives people to cross that line, are youth (I wasn't too long ago considered a youth- Now young adult) not taught to respect others property? My parents seam to be one of a few who still beleive in respect, and I hope I am setting a good example for my children (yeah I know yelling at church people off of my front porch-how ******* and disrespectful of me:upsidedown.

What's your thoughts?

 

[Macumazahn]

legally... entering your property is not trespassing if they are coming to talk to you. i am pretty sure that is national law in both US and Canada... religious types and sales folk and such have been abusing this for decades. the only way you can really keep people off is a tall fence and gates... you can not climb over obstacles to get enter the premises. you are lucky your sheriff told them to PFO... in a lot of places he would have arrested you for attacking them with your dog...

a friend of mine had so much problem with the local JWs he had to have a restraining order placed against the whole church... missionary work is one thing 2-3 van loads a week is a bit much!

 

[razadp]

How do those with legitimate business get to talk to you? FedEx / power meter / etc.

When I lived in a real house, the main drive and walk to front door of every house in our neighbourhood was open to public. That was NOT considered trespassing.

 

[rncmomx2]

"How do those with legitimate business get to talk to you? FedEx / power meter / etc"

They don't, duke power has remote reader vans that drive through. We don't order anything that has to be shipped to our address-so no fed ex/ups.

When I lived in a real house, the main drive and walk to front door of every house in our neighbourhood was open to public. That was NOT considered trespassing.

We live off a privately maintained dirt road (we literally own the road in front of our house), we only have to allow state workers 8 foot clearance into our driveways to do there buisness. Anyone who steps foot on our or anyother property can be charged with treaspassing (if it posted). There is no public property in the boonies only private. I can deny access to police/fire & rescue and they can't set a foot ont he property without a warrant. Ina community of 150,000 acres there are only about 20 families.


"legally... entering your property is not trespassing if they are coming to talk to you."

Unless they have permission they can't come onto your property without a warrant. Bill collecters have to be escorted by sheriffs office.


"you are lucky your sheriff told them to PFO... in a lot of places he would have arrested you for attacking them with your dog..."

The sheriff stands behind his community and enforces the no treaspassing signs. My husband at the age of 16 walked onto posted property (he had permission from the previous owner-who had moved and he didn't know it) and was arrested and charged with breaking and entering (never entered anything-he walked to a pond on the property with no fences) he spent 18 weeks on community service and had to pay a parole officer for 1 year (that is a first offense). He told them to PFO because they didn't have any right on my property and did not have my permission. My dog never left my property (no leash laws in the county) and with the signs posted "Beware of Dog" it would be at his own demise. If he had been hurt I might have had to pay for it, but my insurance would have covered it.

 

[rncmomx2]

Second-degree trespass, a misdemeanor criminal offense. The statute on second-degree trespass is N.C. Gen. Stat. 14-159.13. Before someone can be convicted of second-degree trespass that state must prove these things beyond a reasonable doubt:

That a person entered an area (or remained there after being told to leave)
That the person was not authorized to be there
That the property belonged to someone else
That the person had been notified not to be there or that there was a notice reasonably likely to be seen by intruders posted prohibiting entry.
The state does not have to prove that the person actually saw the notice, just that "No Trespassing" signs were in places that potential intruders were likely to see. .

 

[Sweeper]

legally... entering your property is not trespassing if they are coming to talk to you. i am pretty sure that is national law in both US and Canada... religious types and sales folk and such have been abusing this for decades. the only way you can really keep people off is a tall fence and gates... you can not climb over obstacles to get enter the premises. you are lucky your sheriff told them to PFO... in a lot of places he would have arrested you for attacking them with your dog...

a friend of mine had so much problem with the local JWs he had to have a restraining order placed against the whole church... missionary work is one thing 2-3 van loads a week is a bit much!

Not here, posted private is just that. No crossing of the boundary without permission.

 

[Macumazahn]

well my opinion of your area just went from "ignorant" to "+1"

more places should be like that... things a a lot different here.

 

[Dwind]

whoa- I'd hate to break down anywhere near you- :

 

[rncmomx2]

: :thumb: : :space : :thumb: :

Don't wory we only bite salesman:

 

[shotgunken]

we had JW's get wise and snip our fence and sneek over across to the neighbors farm, stupid idiots put themselves down range of our rifle range, while we were sighting our deer rifles. dad spotted movement down in the field and yelled seize fire, we all jacked the rounds out of the chambers, set the guns down to see what was going on, dad said he saw people in suit jackets run behind our huge sand pile, before he got ready to shoot, we looked in the spotting scope and could see heads sticking out, we walked down to investagate and sure enough 3 jehovas were behind the sandpile, dad ask what in the heck were they trying do get their heads blown off, they said we saw the signs and fence but we just gotta get jehova's word out, they were escorted off our land and dad made them pay for the fence they cut all to hell.

 

[Dwind]

sounds like my dream Hogan's Alley setup :

 

[Brother Buck]

legally... entering your property is not trespassing if they are coming to talk to you. i am pretty sure that is national law in both US and Canada...

Nope, even here in the peoples socialist republik of kalifornia posted private property means push on.
It's one of the last vestiges of actual freedom here, the right to own and maintain privacy to some greater or lesser degree.
As long as it is posted property she could actually have pressed charges had they flat out refused to leave.
In some states it is permissible to use force.
Not here in kali though.
Here if someone trespasses and gets hurt climbing your fence they can sue you for everything you are worth.
And had I set my beast on the last guy not savvy enough that he is better off leaving the dog would have been put down and I would have gone to jail for assault with a deadly weapon.
Stupid.
We are allowed to enforce private property but not to actually enforce it ourselves here. Can't wait to leave.
I had a guy put his foot in my door in Phoenix and I opened up and did the Mexican hat dance on his face..........he got arrested for forceable entry when he called the cops.
I would have let it go with the broken face, but he had to push......

Unfortunately those trespassers will be shot/eaten/violated signs while sort of funny are an invitation to litigation and prosecution.
I don't know about elsewhere but I know here the DAs will run wild with that and so would civil lawyers.
I would seriously recommend not keeping a sign like that even if you live in right thinking areas where the right to self defense and private property are still honored.

As for the utilities workers; generally speaking if there is not an outright easement which excludes them from the no trespassing issue altogether there are other avenues of ingress you cannot easily impeach.
In some areas they have a notification process that you as a utility user agree to in your contract with them.
You get 24 hours or greater notice and they pop right on in.
If you refuse they generally shut things off and bill arbitrarily.

Also, never assume the court will go along with you citing private property as a basis for refusal to allow ingress by a public employee.
I recall a case where a code enforcement officer after being told to shove off and the cops called simply went ahead right in front of the cop and trespassed.
The cop did nothing, the homeowner made such a stink that disturbing the peace charges were filed on him.
His original crime?
A mound of dirt about 4 feet by 11 feet in his rural yard.
And this was in Arkansas or Indiana or somewhere you would otherwise think he still had some rights.

 

[Herne]

L_O_V_E the sign, but you would think that "TREASPASSERS WILL BE SHOT- nearsest hospital is 38 miles-Do you wanna push me?" would work. But it doesn't. We have that posted every 16 foot and regular signs every 8 foot. It has 2 signs on each pole on either side of my driveways (3 driveways total), all of the homes near me have similar signs posted. I know when I see a property that has posted signs (unless I have been invited) I steer clear, I have respect for there property.

Is it a respect issue that drives people to cross that line, are youth (I wasn't too long ago considered a youth- Now young adult) not taught to respect others property? My parents seam to be one of a few who still beleive in respect, and I hope I am setting a good example for my children (yeah I know yelling at church people off of my front porch-how ******* and disrespectful of me:upsidedown.

What's your thoughts?

An old movie quote comes to mind - I think it was from Cool Hand Luke: "Some men, ya just can't reach. If that's the way they wants it, then that's the way they're gonna get it!" or something like that. I suppose you have to pitch your message to the lowest common denominator. If they act like idiots, treat 'em like idiots. Some of them have the hide of an elephant, but there must be some sort of buckshot that goes thru elephant hide :

 

[rncmomx2]

We usally don't have any problems with Sheriffs department or utilities. We are usally the ones calling them. I could have pressed charges (they asked if I wanted too) but I didn't, I told the Sheriff that all I wanted them to do was leave. The sheriff was petting Bo the whole time-telling him he was a good doggy-I don't think he would have beleived he would have harmed a bone in those peoples bodies. I guess it helps that the officer patrols our area and knows that we and others on our road don't take treaspassing to lightly (when I was 7 my next door neighbor shot a peeping tom (he died from a gunshot wound to the face)-she served 2 hours in jail and no other charges were ever filed).

I guess it all depends on the area you live in, we have a less than 2 minute response time (1 mile away from sheriffs department).

I really think the lawsuits are rediculus, I don't think I should have to pay for someone treaspassing, breaking in and getting hurt. If the signs are present I should not be held responsible for there stupidity. Thats exactly how these claims go to, sad so very sad that people are so desperate for money they would stoop that low.

 

[crankyfarmer]

I found that simple no trespassing signs don't work. It's only a $50 fine and the state gets the money anyway. I put up signs that say "Recreational Property, $500 per day access fee. Minimum two days access.
Cleaned the problem right up. They would risk $50 for a big buck or elk but not $1000. Some will still try and come in, but when you catch them they turn really pale, and VERY freindly at the thought of a grand out of thier pockets.

 

[Highlander]

Ummm...So, just for the sake of conversation, what If I were bringing you flowers? Would Bo git me?

 

[Dwind]

this doesnt seem to mean much for texas- where all we have to pay to protect our property is a bullet