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Read a story about two brothers and a sister who are wanted for bank robbery. In the story they mention they had at least a AK47. They know this because they were able to go back 2 years and check background call to the ATF by the gunshops!!!! WTF I thought it was illegal for records to be kept. It appears the local LEO were able to put their name into the "computer" and out comes the call and make of gun bought. Can anyone explain this? The three are from FL, they robbed a bank in Ga.
 

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Read a story about two brothers and a sister who are wanted for bank robbery. In the story they mention they had at least a AK47. They know this because they were able to go back 2 years and check background call to the ATF by the gunshops!!!! WTF I thought it was illegal for records to be kept. It appears the local LEO were able to put their name into the "computer" and out comes the call and make of gun bought. Can anyone explain this? The three are from FL, they robbed a bank in Ga.
The government is lying about gun records they keep. What else would you think they would do?

The government never saw a gun record they didn't like...!

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Read a story about two brothers and a sister who are wanted for bank robbery. In the story they mention they had at least a AK47. They know this because they were able to go back 2 years and check background call to the ATF by the gunshops!!!! WTF I thought it was illegal for records to be kept. It appears the local LEO were able to put their name into the "computer" and out comes the call and make of gun bought. Can anyone explain this? The three are from FL, they robbed a bank in Ga.
Link?

If this is true, this is why private party is the way to go.
 

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When I sold Guns at a Shop, occasionally our Regional ATF Agent would come in and ask to see the 4473 for a particular Firearm that had apparently been used in a crime. Even if a Dealer goes out of Business, they must turn in their Records to the ATF.
 

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Tried to find a link. Google the story 3 siblings rob Ga. bank on page 5(of the results) a story in the Sun Herald.com Biloxi gulfport &south Mississippi had part of the report. The weird thing I read it on MSM home page, it was the story/report from the local paper Zephyr Hills Fl. Can't find it now. They even mention that they had two buried container/underground bunkers at their house. The story in the Sun-Herald mention that they were abe to track a AK47 to a pawn store where one of them bought it 2 years ago. Mind you they did not have the gun/serial number to trace it. Just the names. Dang if this whole story doen't makes me want to reach for the tin foil!
 

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Don't commit crimes with your guns and you shouldn't have a problem, also if you do commit crimes you should lose your rights of privacy when it pertains to finding you.
 

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two brothers and a sister robbing banks and brandishing kalashnikovs need to be stopped by any means necassary (remember north hollywood) inquiry's were made pertaining to them so i dont see a problem after all i am sure firearms are not the only questions being asked thats only one part of an investigation.

suppose they show up at a bank you or a family member frequents?
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Don't commit crimes with your guns and you shouldn't have a problem, also if you do commit crimes you should lose your rights of privacy when it pertains to finding you.
So the fact that its illegal to keep the records is not any problem for you? Or let me guess what other laws can they look the other way and get away with? Ohh just anything or what? I for one expect everybody to follow laws just not civilians. But cops also. Is that so hard to follow the law?
 

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Don't commit crimes with your guns and you shouldn't have a problem, also if you do commit crimes you should lose your rights of privacy when it pertains to finding you.
That is so completely beyond the point.

And no, sorry "nothing to hide" argument isn't going to work to justify gun registration.

YOU can sit there and worry about this one out of how many successful bank robberies and crimes where tracing a gun had any use?

Gun registrations lead to gun confiscation.
 

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All dealers have to keep their records at least 20 years. If they go out of business, the records are sent off to ATF.

ATF can request a search for a particular weapon or person's name if need be, especially with a search warrant.

Realistically, considering how few people actually work at ATF, the chances of them putting your name and information into the computer from some purchase 18 years ago are next to nothing unless you actually commit a crime. It takes them three+ months currently to process an FFL application with all the employee's they have.

As far as face to face goes, I've done it, but going through dealers has saved me on two separate occasions, I've ended up with two stolen guns over the years. It's a lot better to let the dealer eat the loss than me losing the money, gun and having to explain why I'm in possession of stolen property.

A friend ended up with a dozen hot guns, he turned them all in and still was looked at by his local cops as having done something wrong, aside from trusting a friend. But that department is notoriously anti-gun so that was expected.
The good thing is the original owner got their guns back, thanks to an honest person.
 

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Y'all miss the point of the post. According to the story I read it states that they found that one owned a AK 47 by checking Background call to the ATF!! The Pawn shop where he bought it called it in TWO YEARS AGO Also in the story I read it stated they had two buried shipping containers as a Bunker or for use as a grow house. What also now bothers me is that I can't find the original story with this info. Again the issue is the use of the BACKGROUND CALL to trace gun ownership!!
 

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Let's see:

Person robs bank, search is done on individual - good chance the ATF call wasn't the only call made, found they do own a gun, possibly found address of individual, therefore nice to know that the individual has weapons before LEO knocks on door.

And the problem is?
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Let's see:

Person robs bank, search is done on individual - good chance the ATF call wasn't the only call made, found they do own a gun, possibly found address of individual, therefore nice to know that the individual has weapons before LEO knocks on door.

And the problem is?
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The point is that the ATF is not supposed to keep a record of the call not the name or type serial # of the gun. Based on the story the knowledge of the AK47 was received from the ATF based on the background call. I'll make it simple: If its against the law to keep a record of the call, how did they get the info on the AK47? Do you have a clue how many AKs are sold in Fl in two years? The only "record" of the gun purchase is the form 4473? The pawn store where he bought it was contacted by ATF/FBI, Again how would they know unless the pawn store contacted them which they didn't.
 
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