[ThomasWarr]

I hear a lot of (or read, more correctly) how people are going to shoot whoever comes crashing through the door without knocking first.
Well, it kinda happened to me (my house, I was at work, fortunately) and my wife was pulled out of bed at gunpoint.
I know it's the toughest pro-2A/4A stance to take, but how many of you would actually do it?

The way my house was you can't really hear knocking on the door from the downstairs corner where the room is, though I would've noticed someone walking upstairs. And if you call out and police believing they are interrupting a burglary tell you to come out with your hands up, and say they are responding to an alarm and you don't have an alarm, what do you think? Burglars pretending to be cops?
Turned out the dispatch had hit the wrong button, and instead of the house across the street, they came to mine.

No, no claim was filed, it was an honest mistake. Though there may be for other stuff done (see my other videos.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln2u7_Apa70

 

[ATST]

I'd ditch that radio log as it states your address, or at least the one accross the street.
Keep the log for your own records if you wish, but get it off the internet.

As far as what I'd do having no alarm and waking up to cops saying they are responding to one? I can't tell you here. It would depend on the circumstances, and what my gut tells me to do.

 

[ThomasWarr]

I don't live there anymore.
I'm not in any way advocating the shooting whoever thing. It's just one of those things I view a little different as I've (sorta) been in that situation.

 

[13ella]

Burglars pretending to be police is happening. I don't know what the answer is, because if someone hollers out police as they bust through my door, I would be inclined to believe they were the police and not shoot them.

Maybe some LEO will chime in here and give some suggestions on the proper way to handle such a scenario.

 

[ThomasWarr]

They didn't kick down the door. Not everyone there is as cautious as me, and they were left unlocked.

 

[sarge912]

ADT says 109, dispatcher says 108 and then claims that she checked the tape and she routed it correctly. When did this actually happen? Was the door really open or unlocked?

 

[Jojo]

If you leave your doors unlocked, this instance might have been a blessing in disguise - lock your doors! The next time it probably won't be the cops.

 

[arleigh]

Personally I would tell the people behind the door to wait, and you are waiting confirmation from 911 that police have in deed been dispatched to your address.
I would have a security camera at the door and an intercom to communicate with them, with you NOT at the door.

 

[13ella]

Personally I would tell the people behind the door to wait, and you are waiting confirmation from 911 that police have in deed been dispatched to your address.
I would have a security camera at the door and an intercom to communicate with them, with you NOT at the door.

If the police have a warrant, they are going to come in. You might be disposing of evidence if they wait.

Do you have a security camera at the door and an intercom to communicate with them now? I think that's a great idea, but I don't have either, so if it happened to me tonight, I would be out of luck. It's not high on the list of my priorities as it this has never happened to me and in the scheme of things, is unlikely to ever happen to me, but I would really like to have some ideas on handling it that don't involve a large outlay of money. Especially since I have dogs and if one of them got shot I really don't know what I would do. I would be devastated.

 

[5.56 NATO]

Cops showing up to the wrong house in response to a burglary alarm is in no way like no-knock raiding the wrong house. In response to a burglary alarm, they probably showed up sirens blazing and were quite loud and obvious about their presence and identity (correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't watch the YT video).

Cops no-knock raiding the wrong house is fast, violent, and without warning. Very little time to respond let alone identify who's kicking in the door. I am a law abiding citizen, I don't even speed, so if someone is kicking in my door the LAST person I would expect it to be is the police. If I had the opportunity, I would probably shoot at whoever it was.

This is why I am VERY against raids in general. There is absolutely no reason to take such a high-risk approach to something that can be solved as simply as waiting outside for the suspect to get the mail or head to the grocery store.

 

[Narrow 1]

It is happening throughout the country . Properly reinforced doors and jams , plus the camera and inter-com(great idea) have become an essential . Our area is somewhat rural and the phony cop invasion has occurred .

 

[ThomasWarr]

Cops showing up to the wrong house in response to a burglary alarm is in no way like no-knock raiding the wrong house. In response to a burglary alarm, they probably showed up sirens blazing and were quite loud and obvious about their presence and identity (correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't watch the YT video).

Cops no-knock raiding the wrong house is fast, violent, and without warning. Very little time to respond let alone identify who's kicking in the door. I am a law abiding citizen, I don't even speed, so if someone is kicking in my door the LAST person I would expect it to be is the police. If I had the opportunity, I would probably shoot at whoever it was.

This is why I am VERY against raids in general. There is absolutely no reason to take such a high-risk approach to something that can be solved as simply as waiting outside for the suspect to get the mail or head to the grocery store.

No, they respond with no siren on burglary calls since it's an advance warning. They rarely use their sirens where I live, and they don't use over head lights and black out when in the area of the call. The local paper mentioned something a few weeks ago about safety concerns when officers respond to alarms because they have to go no-sirens or the BGs get away before the cops get there.
The correlation is officers entering a home with guns drawn, and it was not known they were there until they were already inside. No, it's not the same as a no-knock nightime raid, but it's a close in the grand scheme of things.

 

[ThomasWarr]

ADT says 109, dispatcher says 108 and then claims that she checked the tape and she routed it correctly. When did this actually happen? Was the door really open or unlocked?

It was actually a couple years ago. The door was unlocked. To my knowledge, "open door" means either unlocked or physically opening it. The outside screen door was one of those spring ones that slams shut every time you go out. It wasn't "open" as people generally conceive an open door.

 

[sarge912]

It was actually a couple years ago. The door was unlocked. To my knowledge, "open door" means either unlocked or physically opening it. The outside screen door was one of those spring ones that slams shut every time you go out. It wasn't "open" as people generally conceive an open door.

Don't know how the PD operates in your neck of the woods. In my over 34 years as a police officer, open door meant that the door was at least ajar.

It seems odd that you would post this now. The dispatcher clearly messed up and then lied about checking the tape to verify the address (or doesn't know the difference between and 8 and a 9) or someone has altered the feed.

I think I agree with Fire65.

 

[dontbuypotteryfromme]

Look if you are going to spend money on guns to defend your house a lock that takes some time to kick in would seem like a first step.

 

[ThomasWarr]

Don't know how the PD operates in your neck of the woods. In my over 34 years as a police officer, open door meant that the door was at least ajar.

It seems odd that you would post this now. The dispatcher clearly messed up and then lied about checking the tape to verify the address (or doesn't know the difference between and 8 and a 9) or someone has altered the feed.

I think I agree with Fire65.

I don't believe she was lying, I think the checking the tape thing was when she realized it was the wrong house.
The reason I post it now is I finally got around to learning how to use a video editor and string all the audio clips together.
I'm not outraged about it, it was an honest mistake I believe. A relatively big one, but a mistake nonetheless, we all make them.
I post it more as a "this can happen to anyone" kind of thing, so be careful. I'm a firm believer in walking what you talk, so some of (dependng on how it's said) or the "shoot whatever coms in" talk concerns me. Had I not worked that day, I could have been the one in the weird position to believe the voices upstairs or shoot at the unsubs. Folrtunately it didn't come to that, but it's one of those things that makes me think hard about stuff like that.

 

[Domesticated_Primate]

No illegal activity takes place in my home, so cops would have no reason to enter my home. I'm not sure how I would react if I were home during a scenario like that, but I certainly hope it never happens. I'd hate for a simple and honest mistake to lead to serious bodily harm or death (for me or them).

 

[Silenthunder]

National News...............

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/0...tral-texas-sheriff-deputy-in/?intcmp=obinsite

 

[BJJ_Grappler]

In my experience, 9 out of 10 alarm calls are false alarms. Here's how we handle alarm calls at a residence.

We approach on foot. We check the perimeter of the structure looking for signs of forced entry If no obvious signs, we go back and check all points of entry to make sure they are locked. We check for signs as well that I won't detail here.

If secure, we leave and later contact the owner.

If unsecured, we lock down the perimeter and establish an entry team.

Before entering, we announce our presence multiple times, giving an opportunity for a resident or suspect to respond. K9 is utilized if it's obvious forced entry. K9 gives a callout and warning. K9 enters, rest of team follows in support.


I have never entered an unsecured home and found residents inside. I am sure it may happen one day, but it hasn't happened yet. I certainly wouldn't be pointing weapons at people sleeping in a bed.

 

[BJJ_Grappler]

No illegal activity takes place in my home, so cops would have no reason to enter my home. I'm not sure how I would react if I were home during a scenario like that, but I certainly hope it never happens. I'd hate for a simple and honest mistake to lead to serious bodily harm or death (for me or them).

If you have a silent alarm trip, it could happen. But most alarm companies call the house first and ask for alarm codes, which prevents police from being dispatched.

Hopefully your department has smart and careful rules for responding to alarms. Unless someone is screaming or there is obvious signs of someone injured, there is no need to rush an alarm call.

It wouldn't hurt to ask them what to expect if they respond to an alarm call while you are home.

And there have been times that I have responded to alarm calls where I thought a resident might be home and we slowed everything down trying every possible means of contact before entering. I don't want to get shot by or shoot a homeowner innocently protecting themselves in the dead of night.