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Long time Aussie member here looking to get started with some basic prepping. I really wanted the thread to have a strong Aussie focus as it is difficult for us to get many of the supplies that the folks in the USA have access to. I was also hoping for some "aussiecentric" advice from the local Aussie experts on here.
While i do tend to keep a reasonably well stocked pantry compared to most folk that i know, i have been pretty "slack" about implementing any systematic prepping since joining the forum many years ago. It just seemed that there was always something else to do as a priority.
However, seeing all the empty shelves in pretty much every supermarkets in my area due to this corona virus thing has REALLY hit home hard and made me realize how vulnerable most of us are if something bad really happened and the supermarkets had to shut down for a while.
I live in an apartment in outer Sydney with my son who is in his late teens and at uni. He is smart, strong, resourceful and like minded in regards to the need to prep for the basics - but has limited ability to contribute financially at this stage. At the moment our storage space is very limited. We hope to be able to move into a house in about 12 months time, at which point we will really ramp up our water storage. But right now we both feel that we need to just make a start (with a planned, systematic approach) and at least do what we can given our current circumstances rather than just wait for the "perfect time and place" which is what we have both done up to this point in time.
I want to start with the basics and then work out. Because of reasonable, but not unlimited finances i have decided to aim for 1 years worth of supplies at this point.
So here is my basic approach. Please bear in mind that i am very new to this. I have read heaps on here and googled heaps but found some information a bit contradictory and ended up more confused than when i started. I would greatly appreciate some suggestions as to things to change, errors in my thinking etc from those on here with much more knowledge than me (which is probably almost everybody!)
Priority 1: water
I am assuming 4L of water of person per day (2L to drink + 2L cooking & hygiene) > 4 weeks H2O for 2 ppl = 8L x 30 days > 240L
Bunnings sell a blue colored 20L "Jerry" can shaped water container. It states that it is "Made in Australia for Australian conditions" and is > UV stabilized, BPA free, Food & drug approved material. It also has a provision to take a tap. I have purchased 12 of these to keep in the apartment tucked away in the study. That gives me 1 x months supply.
Bunnings also sell a green 300L water storage container. It looks a bit like an oversized wheelie bin. I am also thinking of getting 1 or 2 of these and putting them inside our small storage cage in the basement. That would give us 3 months supply of water and is probably the maximum that we can store given the available space at this point in time.
When we move into a proper house in 12 or so months we will make sure that we have large water tanks that are not clearly visible from the street.
I intent to just use tap water to fill the water containers. I think that our Sydney tap water is OK altho i do have a vague memory of needing to boil Sydney tap water many years ago. I can't remember why and haven't done that for ages.
Question: Do i need to put bleach into the water containers ... and if so, which one of these should i use - and how much? To me the thought of adding bleach to drinking water sounds a a bit scary!
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> [URL="https://www.farmerswarehouse.com.au/productDetail/WATER-SOLUTIONS/WATER-TREATMENTS/Item/Clean-Oxide-Water-Treatment-Tablets-5-x-20g-Pk-Treats-10000L/30330"]
Priority 2: Food
1) Both my son and i love rice based meals. I have calculated that 1 cup of rice per day is needed for an adult male > 175g > 5kg bag of rice will last 1 person approx 28 days > 4 week supply of rice for 2 ppl = 1 x 10Kg bag
I think at this stage i can store approx 60Kg of rice (6 months supply) and try to build that up to a 12 month supply
Question: I buy the rice in 5Kg bags. I presume that its best NOT to get rice with any fragrance - just stick to plain old regular white rice?
Question: How do i store the rice. I have found the answer to this question somewhat confusing. Is it sufficient to just keep it in the plastic bag that it comes in from the supermarket or do i remove it from that bag and put it into the Mylar pouches with the anti oxygen things that everyone talks about .. or do i do the dry ice thing and put the rice into these food grade containers that i can get at Bunnings or Catch.com.au.. or do i do both ie mylar bags with oxygen things, then into the food pails?
> [URL="https://www.google.com.au/shopping/product/347747643011529832?lsf=seller:100794174,store:8274679485882020900&prds=oid:1568768484103383053&q=bunnings+food+storage&hl=en&ei=Z3ljXvKFJfCN4-EP7K2TkA8&lsft=gclid:Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxOWPlrfbVxSHH7As48MxAek4CEodbRen9hi-YsXRSo-_NMJQz3XTKcaAkEhEALw_wcB,gclsrc:aw.ds"]
> [URL="https://www.catch.com.au/product/bulk-10x-10l-bucket-plastic-empty-white-food-grade-handle-lid-large-storage-pail-3992186/?offer_id=22387058&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxNvRi9hoazcWA_AG_DYHgaeWafjQo0VLRCxFAIyqWUNHtIrVw8NHpgaAq-WEALw_wcB"]
2) From my calculations it looks like 1 packet of dry pasta contains 4 serves ie 2 meals for 2 people. So 3 x pasta meals per week for 4 weeks for 2 people = 24 serves = 6 packets of pasta
I can easily store 6 months supply of a variety of pastas
3) Other stuff
We both like the powdered mashed potato mix (sad i know) so i have started to build up a supply of that as well as the following > cereals, canned veggies, canned soups, canned fruit, long life milk, long life cream, some snacks, health bars, chocolate, tea, coffee, sugar, salt, cooking oils, canned tuna, canned salmon, canned mackerel, pasta sauces, some special sauces that i like to use with both rice and pasta etc
Question: I have been incredibly surprised to find that VERY FEW canned veggies or fruits have "use by dates" stamped on them. I thought that was a govt decreed compulsory thing - but obviously not. Can anyone advise what is the approx "average" shelf life of Aussie canned goods?
What i am having trouble finding is nice canned meat! I have already added canned plumrose leg ham (which i recall as being quite nice), plumrose canned hotdogs (not sure about that one - will test it before i buy too many) plus the usual canned corned beef, beef goulash, tiny cans of chicken...
But i am so surprised that i can't seem to find large cans of really nice lamb, beef, pork, mince etc etc I think its important to find these as otherwise the rice and pasta is going to get pretty boring real fast!
Does anyone have any ideas of a supplier here in Australia? I wonder if its possible to do my own using one of those vacuum things that grandma used to do?
Question: what would folks consider a reasonable quantity of flour and salt to store ... and can they be stored in the Bunnings food storage bins that i referenced earlier.
4) Cooking fuels
We have gas cooking in the apartment. But what would happen if we lost the gas supply > I have purchased 2 x 8Kg gas bottles and a Weber BBQ grill oven - one gas bottle in use on the Weber plus a full spare. I also purchased 2 x 4kg gasmate bottles with a small camping 2 ring cooker that attaches direct to these bottles in our storage cage in the basement. I don't think it's safe to store more gas bottles than that. I am also on the hunt for a solar powered cooker and oven. I did see one referenced on here ages ago so will try to track down that link. That should give us (I think) a couple of months fuel to cook with at a pinch. Not sure what we would do when all the gas bottles run out.
5) Have ordered water purification systems from USA - just in case. That gear should get here in a few days.
6) I also have a 3 months supply of the "man shake" in a variety of flavors as well as a 3 month supply of the powdered veggies formulae - all for 2 people.
I think that's just a backup to the back up!
I feel as if i still have heaps to do. It can get a bit overwhelming, so i am just trying to do it one step at a time. I have not even looked at the health and medical and or security side yet
Any thoughts or advice on the journey so far is most welcome. I have done all the above over the last week but still have a long way to go.
Question: What is the best place for Aussies to buy the Mylar pouches and oxygen things?
Cheers
AT
PS. How do i put links in so that the links are short, concise and "tidy"?
Long time Aussie member here looking to get started with some basic prepping. I really wanted the thread to have a strong Aussie focus as it is difficult for us to get many of the supplies that the folks in the USA have access to. I was also hoping for some "aussiecentric" advice from the local Aussie experts on here.
While i do tend to keep a reasonably well stocked pantry compared to most folk that i know, i have been pretty "slack" about implementing any systematic prepping since joining the forum many years ago. It just seemed that there was always something else to do as a priority.
However, seeing all the empty shelves in pretty much every supermarkets in my area due to this corona virus thing has REALLY hit home hard and made me realize how vulnerable most of us are if something bad really happened and the supermarkets had to shut down for a while.
I live in an apartment in outer Sydney with my son who is in his late teens and at uni. He is smart, strong, resourceful and like minded in regards to the need to prep for the basics - but has limited ability to contribute financially at this stage. At the moment our storage space is very limited. We hope to be able to move into a house in about 12 months time, at which point we will really ramp up our water storage. But right now we both feel that we need to just make a start (with a planned, systematic approach) and at least do what we can given our current circumstances rather than just wait for the "perfect time and place" which is what we have both done up to this point in time.
I want to start with the basics and then work out. Because of reasonable, but not unlimited finances i have decided to aim for 1 years worth of supplies at this point.
So here is my basic approach. Please bear in mind that i am very new to this. I have read heaps on here and googled heaps but found some information a bit contradictory and ended up more confused than when i started. I would greatly appreciate some suggestions as to things to change, errors in my thinking etc from those on here with much more knowledge than me (which is probably almost everybody!)
Priority 1: water
I am assuming 4L of water of person per day (2L to drink + 2L cooking & hygiene) > 4 weeks H2O for 2 ppl = 8L x 30 days > 240L
Bunnings sell a blue colored 20L "Jerry" can shaped water container. It states that it is "Made in Australia for Australian conditions" and is > UV stabilized, BPA free, Food & drug approved material. It also has a provision to take a tap. I have purchased 12 of these to keep in the apartment tucked away in the study. That gives me 1 x months supply.
Bunnings also sell a green 300L water storage container. It looks a bit like an oversized wheelie bin. I am also thinking of getting 1 or 2 of these and putting them inside our small storage cage in the basement. That would give us 3 months supply of water and is probably the maximum that we can store given the available space at this point in time.
When we move into a proper house in 12 or so months we will make sure that we have large water tanks that are not clearly visible from the street.
I intent to just use tap water to fill the water containers. I think that our Sydney tap water is OK altho i do have a vague memory of needing to boil Sydney tap water many years ago. I can't remember why and haven't done that for ages.
Question: Do i need to put bleach into the water containers ... and if so, which one of these should i use - and how much? To me the thought of adding bleach to drinking water sounds a a bit scary!
>
> [URL="https://www.farmerswarehouse.com.au/productDetail/WATER-SOLUTIONS/WATER-TREATMENTS/Item/Clean-Oxide-Water-Treatment-Tablets-5-x-20g-Pk-Treats-10000L/30330"]
Priority 2: Food
1) Both my son and i love rice based meals. I have calculated that 1 cup of rice per day is needed for an adult male > 175g > 5kg bag of rice will last 1 person approx 28 days > 4 week supply of rice for 2 ppl = 1 x 10Kg bag
I think at this stage i can store approx 60Kg of rice (6 months supply) and try to build that up to a 12 month supply
Question: I buy the rice in 5Kg bags. I presume that its best NOT to get rice with any fragrance - just stick to plain old regular white rice?
Question: How do i store the rice. I have found the answer to this question somewhat confusing. Is it sufficient to just keep it in the plastic bag that it comes in from the supermarket or do i remove it from that bag and put it into the Mylar pouches with the anti oxygen things that everyone talks about .. or do i do the dry ice thing and put the rice into these food grade containers that i can get at Bunnings or Catch.com.au.. or do i do both ie mylar bags with oxygen things, then into the food pails?
> [URL="https://www.google.com.au/shopping/product/347747643011529832?lsf=seller:100794174,store:8274679485882020900&prds=oid:1568768484103383053&q=bunnings+food+storage&hl=en&ei=Z3ljXvKFJfCN4-EP7K2TkA8&lsft=gclid:Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxOWPlrfbVxSHH7As48MxAek4CEodbRen9hi-YsXRSo-_NMJQz3XTKcaAkEhEALw_wcB,gclsrc:aw.ds"]
> [URL="https://www.catch.com.au/product/bulk-10x-10l-bucket-plastic-empty-white-food-grade-handle-lid-large-storage-pail-3992186/?offer_id=22387058&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxNvRi9hoazcWA_AG_DYHgaeWafjQo0VLRCxFAIyqWUNHtIrVw8NHpgaAq-WEALw_wcB"]
2) From my calculations it looks like 1 packet of dry pasta contains 4 serves ie 2 meals for 2 people. So 3 x pasta meals per week for 4 weeks for 2 people = 24 serves = 6 packets of pasta
I can easily store 6 months supply of a variety of pastas
3) Other stuff
We both like the powdered mashed potato mix (sad i know) so i have started to build up a supply of that as well as the following > cereals, canned veggies, canned soups, canned fruit, long life milk, long life cream, some snacks, health bars, chocolate, tea, coffee, sugar, salt, cooking oils, canned tuna, canned salmon, canned mackerel, pasta sauces, some special sauces that i like to use with both rice and pasta etc
Question: I have been incredibly surprised to find that VERY FEW canned veggies or fruits have "use by dates" stamped on them. I thought that was a govt decreed compulsory thing - but obviously not. Can anyone advise what is the approx "average" shelf life of Aussie canned goods?
What i am having trouble finding is nice canned meat! I have already added canned plumrose leg ham (which i recall as being quite nice), plumrose canned hotdogs (not sure about that one - will test it before i buy too many) plus the usual canned corned beef, beef goulash, tiny cans of chicken...
But i am so surprised that i can't seem to find large cans of really nice lamb, beef, pork, mince etc etc I think its important to find these as otherwise the rice and pasta is going to get pretty boring real fast!
Does anyone have any ideas of a supplier here in Australia? I wonder if its possible to do my own using one of those vacuum things that grandma used to do?
Question: what would folks consider a reasonable quantity of flour and salt to store ... and can they be stored in the Bunnings food storage bins that i referenced earlier.
4) Cooking fuels
We have gas cooking in the apartment. But what would happen if we lost the gas supply > I have purchased 2 x 8Kg gas bottles and a Weber BBQ grill oven - one gas bottle in use on the Weber plus a full spare. I also purchased 2 x 4kg gasmate bottles with a small camping 2 ring cooker that attaches direct to these bottles in our storage cage in the basement. I don't think it's safe to store more gas bottles than that. I am also on the hunt for a solar powered cooker and oven. I did see one referenced on here ages ago so will try to track down that link. That should give us (I think) a couple of months fuel to cook with at a pinch. Not sure what we would do when all the gas bottles run out.
5) Have ordered water purification systems from USA - just in case. That gear should get here in a few days.
6) I also have a 3 months supply of the "man shake" in a variety of flavors as well as a 3 month supply of the powdered veggies formulae - all for 2 people.
I think that's just a backup to the back up!
I feel as if i still have heaps to do. It can get a bit overwhelming, so i am just trying to do it one step at a time. I have not even looked at the health and medical and or security side yet
Any thoughts or advice on the journey so far is most welcome. I have done all the above over the last week but still have a long way to go.
Question: What is the best place for Aussies to buy the Mylar pouches and oxygen things?
Cheers
AT
PS. How do i put links in so that the links are short, concise and "tidy"?