[PurseStrings]

I added this initially to a post about the woman who shot the men trying to break into her house. I want to know if they actually crossed her threshold?

In my state I was told by a friend/sheriff, LEGALLY I have to let them cross the threshold of my home to defend my home or myself. If I see them coming toward my home, even if they have a gun, I have to call 911 & wait until they gain entry to my home. Then I am free to shoot them. But he also said if I didn't shoot to kill, they could end up suing me for their pain & suffering!

Is this law common in your state? I don't think I'll be worried about the legalities if I see an armed man on my porch, but I would then be facing charges of my own.

 

[ShellbackBill]

I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one on TV. For a proper legal advice you should talk to a lawyer in your own state and city.

Some states require that you retreat if you can when confronted with a deadly situation such as an armed man coming toward you.

Some states have a Castle Doctrine, where you are not required to retreat if in you own home, some states extend that to include your car.

I'm thinking the "cross your threshold" thing is castle doctrine related. They are not in your castle until they cross the threshold.

Also I'm thinking she was not in "fear for her life" if they were still "trying" to break in.

 

[Moirlend]

In Ga if they are using force to break in you can shoot.

http://www.georgiapacking.org/law.php

 

[en-ki]

We not only have a strong castle doctrine here in Florida but for about 2 years have had what they call the "hold your ground" law that doesn't require we wait until they breach the doorway before we use lethal force if we think our lives are in danger. It also applies in our cars if we are legally carrying.

 

[SouthernBell]

Florida Castle Doctrine(it is a good thing) in a nutshell:

The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:

"One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]

Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.

SO -- is this the impression you got from the news? Why not? Aren’t media people impartial purveyors of objective facts, with no bias or spin, faithfully and accurately reporting the news? Everyone who believes that’s an accurate description of the news media please raise your hand. See? No hands go up. Despite their protests otherwise, the news media has, in general, and especially with respect to gun issues, become an outrageous purveyor of agenda-driven nonsense on the dark side of the force."

http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm

 

[en-ki]

Florida Castle Doctrine(it is a good thing) in a nutshell:

http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm

The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:

One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]

Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.

SO -- is this the impression you got from the news? Why not? Aren’t media people impartial purveyors of objective facts, with no bias or spin, faithfully and accurately reporting the news? Everyone who believes that’s an accurate description of the news media please raise your hand. See? No hands go up. Despite their protests otherwise, the news media has, in general, and especially with respect to gun issues, become an outrageous purveyor of agenda-driven nonsense on the dark side of the force.

I hope that I didn't somehow give you the impression that I disapprove of the Fl. laws regarding the use of deadly force in self defense.

I particularly like, not really, the terminology the media uses regarding firearms. Either these are the most ignorant people on the face of the earth or they are given a course in how to best demonize the gun owner.

Any semiautomatic rifle = assualt rifle.

Any semiautomatic pistol = machine gun.

2 shotguns and a rifle = arsenal.

Any scoped hunting rifle = sniper rifle.

 

[rextex]

We have the castle doctrine here in Missouri also.

 

[SouthernBell]

I hope that I didn't somehow give you the impression that I disapprove of the Fl. laws regarding the use of deadly force in self defense.

I particularly like, not really, the terminology the media uses regarding firearms. Either these are the most ignorant people on the face of the earth or they are given a course in how to best demonize the gun owner.

Any semiautomatic rifle = assualt rifle.

Any semiautomatic pistol = machine gun.

2 shotguns and a rifle = arsenal.

Any scoped hunting rifle = sniper rifle.

No you did NOT give me the impression of disapproval by any means..
I hope I did not offend you by posting the Florida Castle Doctrine to show others how fortunate we Floridians are..

 

[Ghostrider]

I added this initially to a post about the woman who shot the men trying to break into her house. I want to know if they actually crossed her threshold?

Yes, they did!

...And, if they happened to be discovered outside the door it's because they stumbled back out of the house after they were shot.

...And there was no blood in the house because it took a few seconds for them to bleed to the outside of their clothes.

:

 

[en-ki]

No you did NOT give me the impression of disapproval by any means..
I hope I did not offend you by posting the Florida Castle Doctrine to show others how fortunate we Floridians are..

I'm an old southern man so I don't offend easily. I just didn't want you or anyone else to think I was one of "them".

 

[Snuggle Monkey]

I hope that I didn't somehow give you the impression that I disapprove of the Fl. laws regarding the use of deadly force in self defense.

I particularly like, not really, the terminology the media uses regarding firearms. Either these are the most ignorant people on the face of the earth or they are given a course in how to best demonize the gun owner.

Any semiautomatic rifle = assualt rifle.

Any semiautomatic pistol = machine gun.

2 shotguns and a rifle = arsenal.

Any scoped hunting rifle = sniper rifle.

The media is not ignorant. They simply have a fanatical agenda.

 

[Von Bohmen]

If you are on my land and armed. I feel its my duty to shoot you.

 

[ShellbackBill]

I particularly like, not really, the terminology the media uses regarding firearms. Either these are the most ignorant people on the face of the earth or they are given a course in how to best demonize the gun owner.

Recently I heard a news report about a shooting, involving the police being shot at.

The reporter referred to the bullets as "special cop killer rounds", they were actually common hollow points. Cop killer rounds are designed to penetrate a bullet proof vest, hollow points are not good at penetrating a bullet proof vest.

Also the news stories on the recent Norway shootings. The reports were saying he used "special DumDum rounds designed to tear vital organs apart." Again, just common hollow points. I guess it was an accurate description, as that is what hollow points are for, but I saw it as over emphasis for shock value.

 

[SouthernBell]

I'm an old southern man so I don't offend easily. I just didn't want you or anyone else to think I was one of "them".

I am an older Southern Woman who is over consious of her words....

 

[dontbuypotteryfromme]

I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one on TV. For a proper legal advice you should talk to a lawyer in your own state and city.

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Pretty much that.
How you read a law and how a judge will read a law are two different things. And your oppinion does not count. Find out from the people who defend these charges exactly what people get away with and what they don't.

 

[Gunner65]

Ohio now has the Castle Doctrine law which believe it or is great at least for us... It includes home, car and here's the biggie... ANYWHERE we are in Ohio that is legal. Meaning if I am at my local Wal Mart parking lot, or a friend’s house, etc.

Plus now I can protect my family, when we first got the CC law, to be 100% legal, I was not able to protect my wife if we were walking and she did not have her own permit... The law looked at it like she is an adult and has decided NOT to get at permit. So I was only able to protect myself... Dumb, I know but that has been fixed now that we have the Castle Doctrine.

That is the one good thing Ohio has... Also now she has her own CCP

For your state, do what has been repeated above, check with a law office and your local sheriff dept...

 

[hitech_hick]

Recently I heard a news report about a shooting, involving the police being shot at.

The reporter referred to the bullets as "special cop killer rounds", they were actually common hollow points. Cop killer rounds are designed to penetrate a bullet proof vest, hollow points are not good at penetrating a bullet proof vest.

Also the news stories on the recent Norway shootings. The reports were saying he used "special DumDum rounds designed to tear vital organs apart." Again, just common hollow points. I guess it was an accurate description, as that is what hollow points are for, but I saw it as over emphasis for shock value.

Around here with the passage of conceal carry, every week there is a news article about "hidden guns" and what this new "hidden gun law" means for the average person and by average they mean the hippies at whole foods or the bar tender on the wrong side of town. I have nearly given up on reading the news paper (gave up on TV a long time ago) and go straight to the comics and classifieds.

hick

 

[infinityshock]

Recently I heard a news report about a shooting, involving the police being shot at.

The reporter referred to the bullets as "special cop killer rounds", they were actually common hollow points. Cop killer rounds are designed to penetrate a bullet proof vest, hollow points are not good at penetrating a bullet proof vest.

Also the news stories on the recent Norway shootings. The reports were saying he used "special DumDum rounds designed to tear vital organs apart." Again, just common hollow points. I guess it was an accurate description, as that is what hollow points are for, but I saw it as over emphasis for shock value.

there is no such thing as 'cop killer rounds' other than in the fantasy land of anti-2nd amendment kids.

dumdum rounds. uh huh. im willing to bet the author doesnt even know what a dumdum round is nor that they are ineffective compared to modern expanding bullets.

journalists and the anti-2nd amendment spin doctors use this wording to manipulate the reader and play on their own ignorance. its a joke. a sad, pathetic joke.

 

[NoFlyZone]

We have the Castle Law in Ky too.
We don't even have to wait until they get inside!

http://lrc.ky.gov/KRS/503-00/080.PDF

 

[LongInTheTooth]

Pretty much that.
How you read a law and how a judge will read a law are two different things. And your oppinion does not count. Find out from the people who defend these charges exactly what people get away with and what they don't.

Pretty much. However, as far as you being able to, "Find out from the people who defend these charges...", it would be best to contact NRA/GOA Lawyers.

I had the misfortune to overhear a conversation among lawyers in a PUBLIC HOUSE which I frequent. I remained the proverbial FLY ON THE WALL as I listened to their banter...they were discussing why people feel that their SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS are given so much "UNNECESSARY IMPORTANCE". This was in NEW JERZISTAN...makes me wish that I was still a cop. If I were to stop them for an MV violation, undoubtedly they would ask for a "PROFESSIONAL COURTESY" so as not to be issued a summons. I would fulfill their request and instead arrest them in lieu of the summons (my discretionary perogative) just so I could "TREAT" them to the booking process...which INCLUDES a STRIP SEARCH.

And these "PEOPLE" take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution?