Three days later, people begging for help

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kev

Discussion Starter · Nov 2, 2012

Three days people, only three days and residents who did not evacuate are begging for help,

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-residents-plead-for-help-3-days-after-sandy/

The residents of Staten Island are pleading for help from elected officials, begging for gasoline, food and clothing three days after Sandy slammed the New York City borough.

“We’re going to die! We’re going to freeze! We got 90-year-old people!” Donna Solli told visiting officials. “You don’t understand. You gotta get your trucks down here on the corner now. It’s been three days!”

We have two issues here:

1 - people did not heed the call to evacuate.

2 - people were not prepared for a disaster.

This is total incompetence on the part of the people who stayed.

If you ignore to the call to evacuate, you better have the supplies to be self-sufficient.

Asking for help puts a burden on already stressed emergency responders.

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9111315

· #2 · Nov 2, 2012

Do we practice tough love now or just keep propping up the camel in the room that no one wants to talk about.

The system is going to break. Even we won't be happy then.

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kev

Discussion Starter · #3 · Nov 2, 2012

9111315 said:
Do we practice tough love now or just keep propping up the camel in the room that no one wants to talk about.

The system is going to break. Even we won't be happy then.

Emergency crews should not be strained due to peoples stupidity.

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BoycottTheDay

· #4 · Nov 2, 2012

Around here they called for anyone 200 feet or closer to any tidal water to evacuate.

I sent ma to higher ground butt in the end being 30 feet over mean high tide makes a huge difference.

It was a sight to behold as the storm wound up off shore. My best guess is she mimicked a cat 3 based on the size of the damaged area.

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TXsurvivor

· #5 · Nov 2, 2012

9 meals from anarchy. Sounds about right. I'm watching, taking notes, seeing the holes in my own preps. I'm thankful my wife understands the need to be prepared. We can go way past three days.

What kills me is that I have been poor for a long time, and yet I managed to get enough preps together to keep my family alive for a period of time in the event that SHTF. If I can do it, anyone can.

Prepping is not about how much money you have, or don't. It's all in your mindset.

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Highlander

· #6 · Nov 2, 2012

If they were too ignorant to look after their own well being by either evacuating or prepping, then the only assistance that should be given to them are a good pair of boots and a warm blanket. Tell them to start walking to a habitable area.

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exfarmkid

· #7 · Nov 2, 2012

I don't understand why there are 2 mile long lines at gas stations 3 days after the hurricane, with roads closed and people supposedly not driving much how'd all those cars run out of gas already? I fill my car twice a month. Did they not fill up last week when the hurricane was still in the Carib. and every news station warned of exactly where it would hit? Even Obummer said "If you're told to evacuate, then evacuate!!" I completely agree, people should be asking what they can do instead of "wa wa wa give me stuff!!" only 3 days later.

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felicia

· #8 · Nov 2, 2012

I have zero compassion for any of the people affected by hurricane sandy other than the children with stupid parents. I live in California where we get ZERO warning for earthquakes.

These people had days of notice.

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kev

Discussion Starter · #9 · Nov 2, 2012

TXsurvivor said:
9 meals from anarchy. Sounds about right. I'm watching, taking notes, seeing the holes in my own preps. I'm thankful my wife understands the need to be prepared. We can go way past three days.

9 meals, 3 meals per day = 3 days.

Sounds about right.

From the examples we are seeing with Sandy 3 days seems to be the start of the breakdown.

There are also reports of people digging through trash dumpsters for food.

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kontraktniki

· #10 · Nov 2, 2012

kev said:
Three days people, only three days and residents who did not evacuate are begging for help,

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-residents-plead-for-help-3-days-after-sandy/

We have two issues here:

1 - people did not heed the call to evacuate.

2 - people were not prepared for a disaster.

This is total incompetence on the part of the people who stayed.

If you ignore to the call to evacuate, you better have the supplies to be self-sufficient.

Asking for help puts a burden on already stressed emergency responders.

(moderators do not merge this thread)

Agree 100%.

The mentality that they are entitled to assistance and should not have to "deal" with 72 hours of "less than ideal" circumstances is infuriating to me.

People have allowed the conveniences afforded by technological advances and modern society to cripple them in the face of anything outside the status quo...and even worse situations such as this will not teach them to be self-reliant, rather, it results in a backlash against the establishment that did not greet them with free Iphones and pizza.

It saddens me, but at the same time reinforces the "survivalist" mentality I cling to so fiercely.

It CAN happen to you, help MAY NOT ever come, you ARE capable of surviving.

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Grotius

· #11 · Nov 2, 2012

TXsurvivor said:
9 meals from anarchy. Sounds about right. I'm watching, taking notes, seeing the holes in my own preps. I'm thankful my wife understands the need to be prepared. We can go way past three days.

What kills me is that I have been poor for a long time, and yet I managed to get enough preps together to keep my family alive for a period of time in the event that SHTF. If I can do it, anyone can.

Prepping is not about how much money you have, or don't. It's all in your mindset.

That's such an incredibly wise statement that I hope you won't be offended if I just repeat it:

"Prepping is not about how much money you have, or don't. It's all in your mindset".

Thank you.

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10 Bears

· #12 · Nov 2, 2012

These are the tough consequences of people trusting those who cannot be trusted and being conditioned to do it "just because" while ignoring repeated pleas from family, friends and even Prepper media not to blindly trust.

In a way I'm glad they are being forced to wake up. I'm glad they are angry instead of compliant sheep. I'm glad that trust is broken. I want them to transform. I want them to experience the truth. I want them to know that the Government is not their savior and spends it's huge resources by the trillions on wars, Mil industrial complex, rogue bankers and steals it for themselves ALL of which is our dime!

All of which we are responsible for paying and all of which is aimed away from them even during catastrophe. Time to wake up East Coast and realize there is a big difference between Government For The People and By The People and Crony Capitalism or Outright Fascism. This outcome is the result of planning. How many years did they know this was possible? Freaking decades.

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tastythreads

· #13 · Nov 2, 2012

And electrical crews from Alabama have been told they are not allowed to do any repair work in NJ, even though they went there to help. Know why? Because they aren't union.

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9111315

· #14 · Nov 2, 2012

kev said:
Emergency crews should not be strained due to peoples stupidity.

Agreed. My thanks and respect go to those emergency and repair crews.

My tough love comment was not for emergency and repair crews, it was for the idiots who go hungry and then try to blame others.

FEMA should at least change their 3 days to 1 week. . . . and no more free debit cards.

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dhawk

· #15 · Nov 2, 2012

Now people are Dumpster Diving for food. Parts of New York are out of controll and the government is out of touch.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...72mDIKy9eT9xNTRJA&sig2=0Cramkc_lpl0z3aSIiyxBw

Also, what is the deal with having a Marathon? Trucking in generators, bottled water etc. for the New York marathon!!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-hw0RM-eomPOWLagg&sig2=smnQHagETX1gbtmDSZDt3g

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marbro

· #16 · Nov 2, 2012

A good lesson I got from reading another thread is, Know your neighbors! They will be the first to come begging or to help. Best to prep togeather if you can.

Americans are spoiled and take their way of life for granted. But that is only because the greatest Military the world over has done its job very well.

I may be in the minority with this view but I EXPECT most Amercians not to be prepared. Some folks cant even get their spouses on board.

We need to do more to get people on board with prepping. It"s just so hard when so many depend on the government and refuse personal responsiblity and financial accountability. But I keep trying:thumb:

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MattB4

· #17 · Nov 2, 2012

It is fascinating to watch the Urban folks after one of these major disasters. From the good to the bad there is plenty of entertainment. Perhaps we could get a new reality tv show where they pick urban areas and devastate them and film the resultant events. Might be better watching than than shows about those Alaskan rural folks.

I vote the next Season to be LA. After that they could pick Miami.

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Freethinkin'Man

· #18 · Nov 2, 2012

kontraktniki said:
Agree 100%.

The mentality that they are entitled to assistance and should not have to "deal" with 72 hours of "less than ideal" circumstances is infuriating to me.

People have allowed the conveniences afforded by technological advances and modern society to cripple them in the face of anything outside the status quo...and even worse situations such as this will not teach them to be self-reliant, rather, it results in a backlash against the establishment that did not greet them with free Iphones and pizza.

It saddens me, but at the same time reinforces the "survivalist" mentality I cling to so fiercely.

It CAN happen to you, help MAY NOT ever come, you ARE capable of surviving.

Well said. In the main Sandy thread, I admitted that:
1. I am not (yet anyway) a "hardcore" survivalist/prepper
2. Being out of electricity has humbled me in that it showed me I am not yet prepared/ready/willing to live off-grid

But what you said (I underlined it) reflects my feelings. We ALL need to learn how to supply our own necessities. Sure, every person's means/income/resources may vary. But buying a few cans of soup/stew every time we go grocery shopping is not going to be a budget buster. Those cans accumulate over time. And so forth.

And if the authorities do us the favor of warning us to evacuate, however faulty or corrupt they may be, it's best to listen to them.

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Freethinkin'Man

· #19 · Nov 2, 2012

MattB4 said:
It is fascinating to watch the Urban folks after one of these major disasters. From the good to the bad there is plenty of entertainment. Perhaps we could get a new reality tv show where they pick urban areas and devastate them and film the resultant events. Might be better watching than than shows about those Alaskan rural folks.

I vote the next Season to be LA. After that they could pick Miami.

If you're referring to NYC...

I have friends who live in lower Manhattan who haven't had power for days. These folks do not have relatives/friends in the area in whose houses they could've stayed. They've had to rely on stores to recharge their smartphones. Maybe they weren't preppers, but even if they had food & water supplies, there's only so much they can do if they can't power up their smartphones, electric blankets, etc. A friend I know lives in a small apartment which actually has a fireplace. He's fortunate - and in the minority.

Sure, I don't think most people in Manhattan are preppers/survivalists. And many are ignorant sheeple. But not all.

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Grotius

· #20 · Nov 2, 2012

10 Bears said:
"I want them to know that the Government is not their savior and spends it's huge resources by the trillions on wars, Mil industrial complex, rogue bankers and steals it for themselves ALL of which is our dime!"

"This outcome is the result of planning. How many years did they know this was possible? Freaking decades."

While I agree that the government has a lot of lunacy to answer for, I want to point out in fairness that the government has spent millions of dollars creating websites, media, and trying to draw awareness to the fact that the population needs to be prepared. One good example is the following website, but I'm aware of at least a half dozen others at NASA and other gov't agencies that are similar:

www.ready.gov

I'm not putting failures in response on the government. A hurricane that's 900 MILES in diameter is going to make a mess of things.

I'm putting the blame squarely on those who chose to stay when they were either (a) told to get out; or (b) should have had the common sense to get out when they learned that a 900 MILE diameter storm was going to hit them. There are other options if you don't have family or friends.

These people had 4 or 5 days to figure this out, and failed.

It's too bad sometimes that stupidity isn't painful.

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