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With all the fuss about baby formula going on, I heard a radio show regarding that very thing. The number that was quoted in the show was that 95% of the world does NOT use it, or even know what it is. So are Americans just spoiled (as usual)? Why the big deal? I am certainly not an expert on this :) but seems like a substitute could be made, especially by us prepper types.....
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Good thread and some workaround would have to be in place should the SHTF. Not an expert here either but I assume whatever the formulation it would have to be highly digestible. Whey protein, I have heard; is a primary component.
 

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Alas, most of the world has been reached by the formula makers, and much of it is used outside the US and outside the first world (although W.H.O. has long been waging a war against the practice, especially in poor countries without dependable clean water supplies). Remember when Chinese formula was discovered to be contaminated, and the Chinese were clearing shelves around the world of formula? That wasn't because only 5% of Chinese were bottle feeding, and the Chinese alone are almost a fifth of the population of the whole world.

There are several things contributing to the current crisis with formula supplies in the US.

First, most formula is produced by only 3 corporations now, so a major problem in any one of them is guaranteed to produce an instant crisis, and one of them had their manufacturing lines shut down due to a question of possible fatal bacterial contamination. The others are simply not and will never be geared to suddenly ramp up production on what is generally a steady and predictable demand product.

Second, US protectionism has resulted in the F.D.A. refusing and continuing to refuse to allow the sale here of formula made in other countries that meets or exceeds their own nutritional standards for the stuff, including not only formula made in Europe, but in Canada as well.

Third, no US government agency will research possible homemade formulas and publish directions for making any adequate homemade substitute for any commercial product...because those 3 corporations would be very pissed if they did, and all those lovely political contributions might dry up. (Their excuse is that American parents are too stupid to read and follow directions, so would make it all wrong. Naturally, this means a few of those many babies now in danger of getting inadequate nutrition might still be in danger of getting inadequate nutrition and also cutting into corporate profits. Now we simply can't have that, can we?)

In short, as with many supply issues these days, we have made and continue to make our own misery. We are now a government of the politicians, by the oligarchy, and for the maximum profit of corporations.
 

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... or even know what it is.
Sounds about right.



... So are Americans just spoiled (as usual)?
I think so.


When our son was born, he had medical issues and he stayed in ICU for 50-days. By then my wife was already dried out.

My grandparents recommend using barley tea. We asked the doctors, they had to research it at the university medical library. When they came back though, they said barley tea was used throughout the Roman Empire and all the way up to the modern era.

The real test was to see if our son gained weight on it.

As to modern formula, our doctor said that the best thing about it is that nobody was currently suing them for anything [which is NOT a glowing recommendation].
 

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Americans uses formula en masse because we have the least mother-baby unit friendly policies. Women in America go back to work at 6 weeks {or sooner} which is BEFORE the breastfeeding unit is well established in most women & supply regulated {usually at around 3 months}. Contrast that to most of the world which fits into one of a few categories - either A. Mom has off from work at covered pay for anywhere from 3 months to a year, allowing for the stable nursing relationship needed to avoid formula use, or B. Mom has the ability to bring child to work in a manner that allows her to nurse on demand while still accomplishing her job. Even in third world countries and anchient times the need to keep mother & baby together at all times for at least the first three months was seen nearly universally across the board with the idea of "confinment" after birth sequestered away for a time.

Add into that mix most pediatricians using infant weight charts based on formula use which are NOT the same as growth charts for breastfed, and often you end up with a tumble down hill from supplementing due to "poor growth" turning into full time formula use because supply was affected due to the supplementing.
 

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With all the fuss about baby formula going on, I heard a radio show regarding that very thing. The number that was quoted in the show was that 95% of the world does NOT use it, or even know what it is. So are Americans just spoiled (as usual)? Why the big deal? I am certainly not an expert on this :) but seems like a substitute could be made, especially by us prepper types.....
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I've thought about this myself.

I think it's really about acceptable risk.

Long ago, people normally had lots of kids, and kids also died a lot, including lots of infant death.

Better nutrition may have to do with just reducing the chances of that, and of kids developing disabilities and illnesses.

"Wait," you're saying, "that may be true of decades and hundreds of years ago. But what about all the places around the world today where parents don't really head to a Walmart for formula once or twice a week? The kids aren't all dying there, right?"

Well, yeah, but I bet it's really about only slightly reducing the risk. And it's normally so cheap for Americans, that we care about it nowadays, and even kind of require it.

If there was something you could do for your baby that added an extra $1,000 to the cost of raising a child, but reduced the chance of death or disease from 1/500 to 1/5000, wouldn't you be interested in it?

It's just like lawsuits over unsafe products-- a chainsaw that malfunctions and hurts the consumer, for example--

--People can get in trouble for things that are barely ever going to happen. Part of it is the scale on which the products are sold. If a company sells so many products, that it's a certainty that it's going to kill or hurt a few people, it's treated as wrong if they could have conveniently made a version that wouldn't have done that. Even if the total number of people hurt is only a few.

It's probably also about a better chance of kids growing up bigger and stronger, just healthier in general.

You're not really going to see mass suffering, but at the same time, parents are right to be concerned about it.
 

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By then my wife was already dried out.
Okay, none of my business, but I find myself curious. Was she unable to re-establish lactation at that point, or was it that simply no one at all ever pointed out that most women who have once carried a child to term can produce breast milk again in the future if their breasts are sufficiently stimulated and suggested she try to do so?

I'm glad barley tea worked for your child, but this seems to be yet one more tale representative of how poorly this country supports breast feeding and how little most in the medical establishment knows about it.
 

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Alas, most of the world has been reached by the formula makers, and much of it is used outside the US and outside the first world (although W.H.O. has long been waging a war against the practice, especially in poor countries without dependable clean water supplies). Remember when Chinese formula was discovered to be contaminated, and the Chinese were clearing shelves around the world of formula? That wasn't because only 5% of Chinese were bottle feeding, and the Chinese alone are almost a fifth of the population of the whole world.

There are several things contributing to the current crisis with formula supplies in the US.

First, most formula is produced by only 3 corporations now, so a major problem in any one of them is guaranteed to produce an instant crisis, and one of them had their manufacturing lines shut down due to a question of possible fatal bacterial contamination. The others are simply not and will never be geared to suddenly ramp up production on what is generally a steady and predictable demand product.

Second, US protectionism has resulted in the F.D.A. refusing and continuing to refuse to allow the sale here of formula made in other countries that meets or exceeds their own nutritional standards for the stuff, including not only formula made in Europe, but in Canada as well.

Third, no US government agency will research possible homemade formulas and publish directions for making any adequate homemade substitute for any commercial product...because those 3 corporations would be very pissed if they did, and all those lovely political contributions might dry up. (Their excuse is that American parents are too stupid to read and follow directions, so would make it all wrong. Naturally, this means a few of those many babies now in danger of getting inadequate nutrition might still be in danger of getting inadequate nutrition and also cutting into corporate profits. Now we simply can't have that, can we?)

In short, as with many supply issues these days, we have made and continue to make our own misery. We are now a government of the politicians, by the oligarchy, and for the maximum profit of corporations.
Here’s an article that echoes much of what NY Min said. It also takes a deeper look at how government policy and regulation compounded the problem.

 

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There is no shortage, the US Government has pallets of it for the Invaders on the Southern Border.


Shelf Shelving Food Retail Convenience store


Oh wait you thought the Government was going to look out for the American People.
Silly racist Formula is for immigrants you can use your white privilege to feed your kids.

And people will keep voting for socialism. Dont believe me look at Venezuela where they had run away inflation. Next they implemented price controls and had shortages. Then the government took over the companies and now look at it. Does this sound familiar?

This week Pelosi introduced a bill into congress to allow Biden to regulate fuel prices. Biden Admin launched a committee to look into baby formula prices. Can you guess whats next?
 

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There is no shortage, the US Government has pallets of it for the Invaders on the Southern Border.
Hard to see well (especially with my eyes), and I'm sure the US government will do a lot to avoid the bad publicity of having babies in detention starve or suffer permanent injury from malnutrition, but that looks more like Nido's fortified whole milks for toddlers/young children (the only way you can generally find Nido whole milk here now) than infant formula. There's no whole milk powder or vitamin/mineral shortage at the moment and plenty of this stuff available at any WalMart.



I could be wrong, but I think that as usual you should believe nothing that you read and only half of what you see.
 

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Historically there was up to a 50% infant and child mortality rate. Now we give infants a vast number of jabs and allergies are rampant. So many infants are allergic to cows milk and even breast milk. Plus the premies survive due to the amazing medical advances in just the last 40 years and they end up being compromised in many ways sometimes.
Not my idea but here is one source for formula.
 

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Historically there was up to a 50% infant and child mortality rate. Now we give infants a vast number of jabs and allergies are rampant. So many infants are allergic to cows milk and even breast milk. Plus the premies survive due to the amazing medical advances in just the last 40 years and they end up being compromised in many ways sometimes.
Not my idea but here is one source for formula.
Supposedly from a "doctor," but still posted with absolutely no complete nutritional analysis to tell a parent whether this is really adequate for their child or not.

How does it stack up against the FDA's whole nutrient requirement list?
FDA Infant Formula Nutrient Requirements
Surely "doc's" wifey would have had him work that out before going whole hog on her homemade best guess at a formula? I mean, I'm glad Angel baby "loves to make food and home and body care recipes that support people’s journey to optimal health," but a lot more scientific detail would be useful here. Especially so since the additional background information says his wife was having trouble producing enough milk for her twins, not that she was relying totally on formula and not breastfeeding at all.

This may be a fabulous infant formula recipe, but I'd want to see the numbers that prove it, not just take someone's claims about that at face value.

What I'd really like to see is some properly researched and documented formulas from our damn government agencies using ingredients your average working mom can get her hands on without spending her whole weekly grocery budget for them that will give her baby complete nutrition, at least in as far as we currently understand infant nutritional requirements. And if that cuts into Abbott's or Mead Johnson's or Nestle's or Perrigo's profit margins this next quarter, or next decade, too damn bad.
 

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With all the fuss about baby formula going on, I heard a radio show regarding that very thing. The number that was quoted in the show was that 95% of the world does NOT use it, or even know what it is. So are Americans just spoiled (as usual)? Why the big deal? I am certainly not an expert on this :) but seems like a substitute could be made, especially by us prepper types.....
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Take into consideration the survival rate for infants around the world and it is a big deal. Do you ever wonder why babies in third world countries are dying at alarming rates. If a mother cannot generate enough milk for an infant it will die without the intervention of a wet nurse or an alternative food source. Without formula the baby will die of starvation. My newborn son and I both got sick with the flu when my son was six weeks old. I could no longer produce milk after getting the flu and not sleeping for four days standing guard over my son to ensure he did not die. Yes, I sat in a rocking chair for four days 24/7 holding my son to ensure my son did not die and unfortunately I was surrounded by ignorant people who thought everything would be fine. Without formula my son would have died a week later. If the mother cannot obtain enough calories to breast feed or they get ill they cannot produce milk. People really need to get up to speed and educate themselves on breastfeeding and what it entails. Most working mothers cannot sustain breast feeding over a long period of time by just pumping milk while at work, and in the USA the majority of women are required to work and their is a need to supplement with formula. And more often than not when babies are introduced to a bottle and formula they will no longer breast feed.
 

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As usual, a certain amount of mansplaining and lecturing going on from those who never breastfed or ever expected to about how those who supposedly can should/must do it.

If you think all women should breastfeed, add the money on to your taxes or subtract it from your own salary to pay to give them all at least 12 months paid leave post childbirth to work on it with guaranteed job reinstatement at the end as well as free regular lactation consultations with experts for at least the first 3 months to deal with any difficulties.

While you're at it, establish breast milk banks and make it a well-paying job to help keep one well stocked for those who can't breastfeed successfully for whatever reason. You might even consider adding pleasant nurseries with good childcare in businesses for those who want to continue nursing past 12 months or at the very least pleasant private rooms where they can pump as long as their milk holds out without being harassed or pressured to hurry by their bosses/co-workers.

Or as the usual phrase goes, put your money where your mouth is.
 
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