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Ok Im NOT throwing out a New World Order theory .... but this gives me another (besides the obvious) reason why we dont want Obama in ...

Washington Post article:
By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 26, 2008; A17

UNITED NATIONS -- There are no "Obama 2008" buttons, banners or T-shirts visible here at U.N. headquarters, but it might be difficult to find a sliver of territory in the United States more enthusiastic over the prospect of the Illinois senator winning the White House.

An informal survey of more than two dozen U.N. staff members and foreign delegates showed that the overwhelming majority would prefer that Sen. Barack Obama win the presidency, saying they think that the Democrat would usher in a new agenda of multilateralism after an era marked by Republican disdain for the world body.

Obama supporters hail from Russia, Canada, France, Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Indonesia and elsewhere. One American employee here seemed puzzled that he was being asked whether Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was even a consideration. "Obama was and is unstoppable," the official said. "Please, God, let him win," he added.

"It would be hard to find anybody, I think, at the U.N. who would not believe that Obama would be a considerable improvement over any other alternative," said William H. Luers, executive director of the United Nations Association. "It's been a bad eight years, and there is a lot of bad feeling over it."

Conservatives who are skeptical of the United Nations said they are not surprised by the political tilt. "The fact is that most conservatives, most Republicans don't worship at the altar in New York, and I think that aggravates them more than anything else," said John R. Bolton, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. "What they want is the bending of the knee, and they'll get it from an Obama administration."

The candidates have said little about their plans for the United Nations, but Obama has highlighted his desire to pursue diplomacy more assertively than the Bush administration, whereas McCain has called for the establishment of a league of democracies, which many here fear is code for sidelining the United Nations.

U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has avoided showing a public preference about the presidential campaign -- although he has hinted at a soft spot for Obama in private gatherings, according to U.N. officials. His top advisers say they think McCain and Obama would support many of Ban's priorities, including restraints on production of greenhouse gases that fuel climate change.

"The secretary general and the Secretariat of the United Nations take no position on the U.S. election," said Ban's chief spokeswoman, Michele Montas. "The secretary general deeply respects the democratic process, and he looks forward to working with whomever the American people choose."

Many U.N. rank and file are less circumspect, saying they see in Obama's multicultural background -- a Kenyan father, an Indonesian stepfather and a mother and grandparents from Kansas -- a reflection of themselves. "We do not consider him an African American," said Congo's U.N. ambassador, Atoki Ileka. "We consider him an African."

One U.N. official threw a party over the summer and asked guests to place stickers of either an elephant or a donkey on the front door to show their political preference. At the end of the night, the door was covered with about 30 donkeys and two elephants. "We found out that one of the Republicans was an American and the other couldn't vote," according to a U.N. official who attended. "So we convinced the American to vote for Obama."

"I have not heard a single person who will support McCain; if they do, they are in hiding," said another U.N. Obama booster from an African country. "The majority of people here believe in multilateralism," he said. "The Republicans were constantly questioning the relevance of the United Nations."

For the small minority of U.N. officials who have stuck with McCain -- only two of 28 U.N. officials and diplomats questioned said they favored the Arizona senator -- life in Turtle Bay can seem lonely. "I keep my mouth shut," said one American official here who plans to vote for McCain. "Everyone is knocking on wood, counting the days to the elections. Some Americans here are planning to move to Washington," in search of jobs in an Obama administration.

"It will be devastating if Obama loses," the official said. "There has been such an amount of faith placed on the outcome."

The official, who like all other Secretariat staffers spoke on the condition of anonymity, recalled that Democrats have not always been so supportive of the United Nations, citing the Clinton administration's lone 1996 campaign to block the reelection of then-Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali. And some foreign delegations, including Georgia, have been outspoken in their support of the foreign policy approach of McCain, who reacted quickly and sharply to Russian intervention in Georgia.

Still, the Obama candidacy has enormous emotional resonance among delegates from developing countries, particularly for what it says about race in America. They recall that one of the United Nations' most famous civil servants, Ralph Bunche -- an African American who was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his Middle East mediation -- could never have risen to the same heights in U.S. foreign policy circles. And Kofi Annan, the first black U.N. secretary general, said the prospect of an Obama presidency would be "phenomenal."

Even while critics of the Bush administration here root for Obama, they acknowledge that the U.S. attitude toward the United Nations has improved dramatically in recent years, citing cooperation on Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq.

They say President Bush deserves much credit for supporting U.N.-backed initiatives, including the provision of billions of dollars in funding to fight AIDS and malaria in Africa as well as support for the largest expansion of U.N. peacekeeping in history. And they expect that whichever candidate prevails will be compelled by the United States' falling financial fortunes to work more cooperatively with foreign governments.

"We don't have voting rights," said Yukio Takasu, Japan's ambassador to the United Nations.

But, he added, "We expect whoever [wins] in Washington will have a fresh look at the U.N. and the utility of working through the U.N. And, of course, we have to adjust to them."


The worlds most corrupt and ineffective organization wants Obama to win .... And this scares me. I guess even more reason we dont want to be caught off guard and unprepared. What happens to us and our economy ect if Obama begins bowing to the U.N.?
 

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Isolation is no way to live in the world. One great reason to vote for Obama, and not your myopic grandpa or paranoid schizo hockey mom from the north pole.
I do not promote isolationism however the U.N. is NOT a place that had the United States intrests at heart. after 17 failed resolutions with Iraq ... It was America that did something ... NOT the U.N. On top of that here are a few other reasons we shouldnt kiss the U.N.'s butt ...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041129-785337,00.html
"A congressional committee estimated last week that Saddam Hussein collected more than $20 billion, almost double the previous estimate, by cheating United Nations sanctions."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041129-785337,00.html
"In the Congo, acts of great evil and barbarism have been perpetrated by United Nations peacekeep*ers and civilian personnel entrusted with protecting some of the weakest and most vulnerable women and children in the world."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168591,00.html
"Last Friday, federal prosecutors in Manhattan indicted the head of the U.N.'s own budget oversight committee, a Russian named Vladimir Kuznetsov (search), on charges of laundering hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bribes paid by companies seeking contracts with the United Nations."

http://www.aish.com/societyWork/society/UN_Scandal_(Yawn).asp
"In The New York Times, op-ed eminence William Safire reviewed the revelations that link the massive Oil-for-Food scandal to Annan's own family: Until this year, his son Kojo was getting monthly payments from a firm that had a major Oil-for-Food contract with the UN -- even though he'd left the company in 1998. The corruption enveloping the UN will not begin to dissipate, Safire wrote, until Annan resigns, "having, through initial ineptitude and final obstructionism, brought dishonor on the Secretariat of the United Nations."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6681457.stm
"Pakistani UN peacekeeping troops have traded in gold and sold weapons to Congolese militia groups they were meant to disarm, the BBC has learnt."

The U.N. is corrupt ... has been and continues to be so. They do not support the United States as they live off of our BILLIONS poured into them. To expect us to be thier lap dog is crazy and irresponsible. For those of you who say our government is corrupt and inept ... sadly I agree. Now put that on a world wide scale .... that is the U.N. and why would you want to be a part of that?
 

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Isolation is no way to live in the world. One great reason to vote for Obama, and not your myopic grandpa or paranoid schizo hockey mom from the north pole.

We now return you to Hypnotoad, allready in progress...

 

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Hmmmmmm....

Isolation is no way to live in the world. One great reason to vote for Obama, and not your myopic grandpa or paranoid schizo hockey mom from the north pole.
Isolation or Mcbama, Isolation or Mcbama...Yes, I choose isolation!
 

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Isolation is no way to live in the world. One great reason to vote for Obama, and not your myopic grandpa or paranoid schizo hockey mom from the north pole.
It would be a shame if the rest of the world regained respect for the US and had some confidence in our president, maybe even like him.
I shudder to think that other countries might stop the flag burning and protesting when they find we have made a change in a new direction. Nothing wrong with a hockey mom running the country when the old man strokes out. :rolleyes:
 

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LMAO! Islamists dont hate us for our president, but for our freedom and way of life. Remember ... if we dont convert to Islam ... that is thier justification to kill us. Period. Maybe we should stop giving aid to all other nations. Maybe thier complaining would stop. Give em aid they burn our flag .... hmmmm sounds like spoiled children to me.

Biden attempted to compare Obama to Lincoln and JFK. I nearly peed myself laughing.

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."
- Abraham Lincoln

"And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
John F. Kennedy

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
John F. Kennedy

"The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy."
John F. Kennedy

Obama .... you sir are no JFK
 

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If the UN wants Obama to be a president they can make him president of the UN and while they are at it they can move the UN anywhere they want that is not in the US. And being the charitable sort of fellow I am, I am willing to throw in McCain and all the members of congress as well. No Charge. Please take them.
 

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LMAO! Islamists dont hate us for our president, but for our freedom and way of life. Remember ... if we dont convert to Islam ... that is thier justification to kill us. Period. Maybe we should stop giving aid to all other nations. Maybe thier complaining would stop. Give em aid they burn our flag .... hmmmm sounds like spoiled children to me.
Did you just quote Bush? Please tell me you didn't.
Think about this. There are like what 2 billion Muslims in the world? Ok so when was the last time you were told by a Muslim to convert or die??? Anybody?????
 

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LMAO! Islamists dont hate us for our president, but for our freedom and way of life. Remember ... if we dont convert to Islam ... that is thier justification to kill us. Period. Maybe we should stop giving aid to all other nations. Maybe thier complaining would stop. Give em aid they burn our flag .... hmmmm sounds like spoiled children to me.

Biden attempted to compare Obama to Lincoln and JFK. I nearly peed myself laughing.

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."
- Abraham Lincoln

"And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
John F. Kennedy

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."
John F. Kennedy

"The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy."
John F. Kennedy

Obama .... you sir are no JFK
I wonder why Biden compared obama to two assassinated pres?
 

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Ok so when was the last time you were told by a Muslim to convert or die??? Anybody?????
Um hey Tackle ... they didnt tell me.... they just blew up the Hummer in front of me and shot one of my friends in the neck. I happen to have been there ... done that .... TWICE. Speak not of what you have no clue of.
 

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those whom have been around for awhile, know obama's presidency will not be all that different than other administrations. be more worried if you can't see a change coming.
 

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Um hey Tackle ... they didnt tell me.... they just blew up the Hummer in front of me and shot one of my friends in the neck. I happen to have been there ... done that .... TWICE. Speak not of what you have no clue of.
Don't be so quick to judge, you don't know what I've seen and done.

And that video is BS.
London bombing=False flag operation.
9/11=False flag operation
Madrid bombing=False flag operation

Has Islam declared war on us? Of course. What option did they have???

We're told that it was 19 "terrorists" from Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt yet we attack Afghanistan and Iraq???????????

Let me guess....We have to fight them over there so we dont fight them here.:rolleyes:
 

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They hate us for the extreme liberalism that our left wingers push on the islamic world. Hollywood,the sexualization of women, womens lib, homosexualism, music, etc goes against traditional values of islam. Thats why you dont see conservative muslims shedding a tear over 9/11 or our soldiers death in iraq and afghanistan. Its not just our freedom they don't like. extremists use that as a tool of hatred.
 

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Um hey Tackle ... they didnt tell me.... they just blew up the Hummer in front of me and shot one of my friends in the neck. I happen to have been there ... done that .... TWICE. Speak not of what you have no clue of.
Maybe they just didn't like the fact that a foreign army was occupying their country.
 
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