This Really Works! AR trigger Job

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · 29 d ago

I was looking through YT videos at doing a trigger smoothing on my AR trigger and ran across this video. Its the same as the old Po Boy trigger job on a Ruger single action. I tried it and it did smooth my trigger. It didn't change the take up any but it did make the trigger smoother to pull.

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ajole

· #2 · 29 d ago

Sheesh.....6 minutes to say, "Dry fire against a paper towel wad a pile of times while pulling up on a loop of paracord hooked under the hammer..."

I bet it will work, you're essentially accelerating the typical break in of a trigger via normal use.

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · #3 · 29 d ago

ajole said:
you're essentially accelerating the typical break in of a trigger via normal use.

He said as much at the 3 minute mark.

ajole

· #4 · 29 d ago

hatchet jack said:
He said as much at the 3 minute mark.

Yes....but the video was STILL 6 minutes long, wasn't it.

Thank goodness for scrubbing.

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · #5 · 29 d ago

You didn't have to watch it. I learned more from that 6 minute video than I have learned from reading some of the post around here from the self styled "experts" who think they know everything. Mainly they just bloviate.

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ajole

· #6 · 28 d ago

I didn't watch it, I just scrubbed through until he DID something....and then I posted the actual "content" in word form, so others wouldn't have to waste time.

It's good info. I'm not trying to give you a hard time for posting it.

I just despise the typical Youtuber style of yakking for 5 minutes to present 1 minute of info.

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · #7 · 28 d ago

ajole said:
I just despise the typical Youtuber style of yakking for 5 minutes to present 1 minute of info.

He gave enough info so that anyone who didn't know about this or the old trick of doing the same thing on a Blackhawk trigger would know what they were doing and most of all why it works. And I have clicked on posted videos before that were at least half and hour long. If you want me to watch one that long you better give me a report first and let me know why I should watch a video that long. Otherwise I ain't watching it.

I hate when somebody post a video and only states something like "watch this". Tell me why first especially if it means a real investment in time. If its just another video about democrats want your guns I'm not watching it. And some YT posters have the most stupid test that they do I refuse to watch anything they post. The youtuber WHO-TEE-WHO comes to mind. And he is just one of many.

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trubulator

· #8 · 28 d ago

A LaRue trigger is even better.

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · #9 · 28 d ago

trubulator said:
A LaRue trigger is even better.

I'm sure thats true. And they cost $90+ tax. This is free. And it really improved the trigger on my DPMS rifle. I have stated before the only thing I didn't like about the DPMS was the trigger and now thats not as bad as it was. I may still replace it some day. But for now I like what this simple fix did.

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trubulator

· #10 · 28 d ago

hatchet jack said:
I'm sure thats true. And they cost $90+ tax. This is free. And it really improved the trigger on my DPMS rifle. I have stated before the only thing I didn't like about the DPMS was the trigger and now thats not as bad as it was. I may still replace it some day. But for now I like what this simple fix did.

Fair enough. I will tell you though, I have tried cheaper fixes and none of them meet the minimum standard I require for a trigger. The lowest level I think is usable is the 2 stage Schmid triggers that are ubiquitous in the industry (such as the 2 stage triggers in Palmetto kits). LaRue is great, and I have not felt the need to spend more than that. Since I expect all my rifles to be usable as large game getters at distance, I care about triggers a lot. Everything else, not so much.

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ajole

· #11 · 28 d ago

I love the LaRue trigger as well…but I’m not ponying up $90 per gun. I’ll be trying this “trick”.

hatchet jack said:
…..If you want me to watch one that long you better give me a report first and let me know why I should watch a video that long. Otherwise I ain't watching it.

I hate when somebody post a video and only states something like "watch this". Tell me why first especially if it means a real investment in time.

Exactly!🤣
So thank you for telling me why I should look, otherwise, I’m like you…hard pass.👍

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · #12 · 28 d ago

trubulator said:
Fair enough. I will tell you though, I have tried cheaper fixes and none of them meet the minimum standard I require for a trigger. The lowest level I think is usable is the 2 stage Schmid triggers that are ubiquitous in the industry (such as the 2 stage triggers in Palmetto kits). LaRue is great, and I have not felt the need to spend more than that. Since I expect all my rifles to be usable as large game getters at distance, I care about triggers a lot. Everything else, not so much.

You are probably correct about the Larue Trigger. Its a much better fix. And I admit my AR experience is limited. I have only shot a couple out of box rifles and a Larue trigger might be my downfall. And at $90 its not that big of a deal because I only own one AR anyway. And the trigger was the one thing I knew needed work.

They are so simple to work on or change out there is no reason to have a half assed trigger on your gun. I tried this fix and liked what it did. I am sure a really good trigger would be an eye opener for me. I haven't been an AR fan in the past but I am starting to get a bigger interest in them including thinking about buying an upper from PSA and 2-3 lowers and putting together my first build. Since I will have to pay the transfer for the lower I will buy at least two so I have one for later or to just hold on to.

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · #13 · 28 d ago

ajole said:
I love the LaRue trigger as well…but I’m not ponying up $90 per gun. I’ll be trying this “trick”.

Actually I seemed to remember you saying in another post you had done something similar. Finding that video and remembering your post is the reason I tried this fix. It probably worked well for me because my factory trigger was pretty gritty out of the box and anything is an improvement. The S&W Sport II I had for a short while had a much better stock trigger. Doing this trick may not be that big of a deal on that gun. My youngest son has it now. He was going to die if I didn't sell it to him. Or so he says.

trubulator

· #14 · 28 d ago

hatchet jack said:
You are probably correct about the Larue Trigger. Its a much better fix. And I admit my AR experience is limited. I have only shot a couple out of box rifles and a Larue trigger might be my downfall. And at $90 its not that big of a deal because I only own one AR anyway. And the trigger was the one thing I knew needed work.

They are so simple to work on or change out there is no reason to have a half assed trigger on your gun. I tried this fix and liked what it did. I am sure a really good trigger would be an eye opener for me. I haven't been an AR fan in the past but I am starting to get a bigger interest in them including thinking about buying an upper from PSA and 2-3 lowers and putting together my first build. Since I will have to pay the transfer for the lower I will buy at least two so I have one for later or to just hold on to.

You can spend $300+ on a Geissele trigger if you really must have the best. Personally, I find a good two stage 4.5 pound trigger to be worth the trouble. I get a very material improvement in real world accuracy with a good trigger.

I was resistant to the AR platform, but they are easy to work on and fiddle with, and they are very practical hunting rifles. If something breaks or I want to make a change, the biggest problem is generally a 25 cent spring launching itself to where only the vaccuum cleaner will find it. 6.5 Grendel and 350 Legend sealed the deal for me.

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · #15 · 28 d ago

trubulator said:
If something breaks or I want to make a change, the biggest problem is generally a 25 cent spring launching itself to where only the vaccuum cleaner will find it. 6.5 Grendel and 350 Legend sealed the deal for me.

The S&W I got was missing the detent spring and plunger for the rear take down pin and the stop and spring for the buffer and recoil spring. It looked like they had added a single point sling attachment and let those parts get away from them. A Bag-O-Parts from Midway was just $9 so I ordered two of them. If I do end up building a gun I'm going to the dry cleaners and get a clear clothes bag and build the rifle in that. Maybe.

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trubulator

· #16 · 28 d ago

hatchet jack said:
The S&W I got was missing the detent spring and plunger for the rear take down pin and the stop and spring for the buffer and recoil spring. It looked like they had added a single point sling attachment and let those parts get away from them. A Bag-O-Parts from Midway was just $9 so I ordered two of them. If I do end up building a gun I'm going to the dry cleaners and get a clear clothes bag and build the rifle in that. Maybe.

Yeah, that works for the first 2 or 3 times you launch the spring. Eventually they get away, so keep spares around.

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hatchet jack

Discussion Starter · #17 · 23 d ago (Edited)

I watched a couple of vidoes on doing a trigger job on your AR and decided to try it. Taking it apart was easy. Well almost easy. I could not get that %[email protected]*&^ trigger out no matter how many 3,4 and 6 letter names I called it. The safety was in the way. So more video watching. Removing the safety was easy. I am getting a real appreciation for the simplicity of these guns.

Now that I have the trigger and hammer out I see I don't have anything I can safely polish the notch in the hammer with. So I decided the best and safest way to go was to leave it alone. The trigger on the other hand was marked with black magic marker so I could be sure and not change any angles. I decided to use a fine diamond hone to polish the part of the trigger that fits in the hammer sear.

Thats when I found out the face of the trigger had a burr on the side. So I stoned the edges smooth and then went to work on the face. The face was not flat but had a small dished out place in it. Not much and just a few careful strokes and the face was almost glass smooth.

So I put it back together and the trigger still has the take up creep but Wow is it smoother. All this took me about an hour and I learned more about my rifle. I also bought a delta ring tool to install my new round hand guards. My son said I could have the ones off his AR because he wants a handguard he can mount a light on. The oval handguard I took off didn't even have a heat shield on the insides.

Next I will buy a Wilson Armorers tool that should work for everything else.

I will test fire the gun and if I still don't like the trigger I will take the advice of poster "trubulator" and buy a LaRue trigger and drop that in like he suggested in post #8.

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ajole

· #18 · 23 d ago

Some of us prefer the take up creep. It’s like a two stage trigger, which I want. I really don’t want a zero travel twitchy trigger on most of my ARs. I have triggers that are that way on other guns. And I have a couple on some target rifle ARs. But generally, I want some travel.

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Chili

· #19 · 14 d ago

PSA has a 3.5 pound match trigger on sale for $90.

It's not a bad trigger group.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-custom-ar-3-5-lbs-match-grade-drop-in-trigger-flat-116055.html

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Jiminy Cricket

· #20 · 14 d ago

ajole said:
I didn't watch it, I just scrubbed through until he DID something....and then I posted the actual "content" in word form, so others wouldn't have to waste time.

😂😂 I do the same thing on most videos.

I have polished a couple of my triggers. Now I just buy PSA EPT triggers, or their drop-ins

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