A followup drill to the classic Mozambique uses a double tap into CoM and another aimed at the belt, where there is no concealable vest protection. Though still relatively rare, bad guys DO use body armor occasionally. Especially paramilitary outfits like Los Zetas

 

yea mabby they should have waited untill he left his house insted of knocking the door down. that kinda makes people a little itchy

 

I for one don't blame the cops for creating this violent confrontation (yes, they started it). It's our drug laws to blame.

 

"It's not the same world it used to be, people killing each other all the time," said neighbor Robin Kumar. "Police are here to protect us; why would you do such a thing?"


BAHAHAH!!!!! what a sheeple thing to say... how can he be in trouble for hearing his door get broken down randomly at 2:30 am, and coming around a corner imedeatly shooting??? he couldnt tell if they were cops, or crooks...

 

Probably should have knocked on the door, instead of knocking it down while serving their warrant especially at 230AM in he morning.

 

I aggree. But here's something else to consider; Yelling "police" doesn't prove you're the police, so even if they smash your door down in the middle of the night and yell "police", they should expect a bullet. That is why a civilised extraction, during daylight, preferrably outdoors, where both parties can be seen by the other, and where there is less likelyhood of confusion is best.

 

They just buried the last cop that tried that in Dallas
If you don't identify yourself and bust in you have to expect a violent reaction in this day of home invasions.
I sure won't ask for ID and I am sure the Jury will understand.

 

Yea sure they will

http://www.theagitator.com/2006/11/25/context-for-kathryn-johnston/

 

First I'm glad none of the law enforcement lost their lives in the line of duty . Trying to get rid of a scumbag . But I have to agree with previous posts , People are on edge around the country because of Violent Home Invasions happening all over the country.There have been cases where Law Enforcement have broke down the wrong door and innocent People have been killed while conducting a Military style assault on a Home.Law Enforcement needs to be 100 percent sure before they assault a house. Atleast wait for the suspect to leave the premises and take them into custody. Then raid the house .

 

There have been cases where Law Enforcement have broke down the wrong door and innocent People have been killed while conducting a Military style assault on a Home.Law Enforcement needs to be 100 percent sure before they assault a house. Atleast wait for the suspect to leave the premises and take them into custody. Then raid the house .

I see you've been following the horrible mis-use of SWAT teams and rise of wrong-door raids:

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

It still gets me why cops don't just arrest someone outside their home, instead creating a violent, armed confrontation where one didn't need to exist.

 

Read the article, I am curious how you spray bullets with a revolver. For the body armor issue, helmets won't stop AK rounds, and if I had to, I will shoot their legs out from under them.

 

Moving through a house in a 3-6 man stack is really dangerous against people who know you are coming or have made preps for cops or rival druggies.

If bad guys have good weapons, it's better than fish in a barrel.

One of the big lessons of Fallujah.

 

They knocked the door down before any other identifying factors...?? I'm glad they're safe, but as far as I'm concerned... they got what they had coming to them. Police or not... I don't care you who are. If you don't identify yourself and my front door is being knocked off its hinges... I'm not going to be asking too many questions either.

That just seems crazy.

 

You sir, are not "for the children". By your comment I take it you want children all throughout the heartland to be smoking crack and taking meth? Do you?

:

 

Apparently he wasn't a good shot, he wounded 4 people, didn't kill anybody.

 

For felons you practice 2 shots to the head 1 to the torso.Before body armor became so popular it was the other way around ,2 to the torso ,1 to the head.Ya all see body armor won't stop a bullet to the face.:

 

body armor



this guy seams to think otherwise

 

Well, if you know swat/atf is coming, you can plan for them. Hell, you don't even have to shoot it out with them, if your rig your ceiling to collapse on them, then you can incapacitate them.

 

rig your cieling to collapse? really?

 

Here in MO we have whats called the "Knock and announce" rule. At anytime, we can go to the door of a turd, beat on the door and yell POLICE...we have a warrant....and then go after a reasonable time...roughly 10 seconds or so if no verbal reply....

I am fairly certain this is SOP in most Depts......

 

In recent years the courts have been ruling more and more favorably for the use of "no knock" raids. The cops just bust right in. God Bless Amerika!

 

There was a guy down in Texas who did something like that, he was watching tv and a cop kicked in the door and he took the shotgun that was on his lap and shot the cop. Honestly I found it kinda funny that he had a shotgun on his lap while watching tv.

 

Executing a "no knock" warrant is a gamble. It relies on cops being able to overpower a suspect before he can get armed and resist. Sadly, in today's times even if a homeowner is innocent of the allegations that he initiated the warrant (thus having a clear conscience) and responds to someone breaking down his door with force, he is convicted of murder.

This comes from the idea that "the cops are right, no matter what." A sheeple concept for sure. I am surprised that so many departments still perform the no-knock warrant seeing that it can result in officers being shot. Maybe its about the statistics of successful searches, idk.

I have a family and no reason for LEO to search warrant us, so one thing is for sure, at 2:30 am. anyone breaking into our home without announcing, will be treated as criminals.

 

We had an incident in South Florida where they did a no knock entry and threw to the ground an elderly couple that was sleeping in their bed. They busted the door down, destroyed their house in the search for drugs and scared the old people half to death.

None of these geniuses suspected there was anything wrong. After the fact, when the old peoples lawyer obtained the warrant signed by the judge, the address for the search was next door.

I've heard this happens around the country. It has to do with police arrogance.

 

Well I never have a problem with a scub bag getting shot, and he probably is just that. However, very interesting that he isn't charged with Drugs, nor can they comment that drugs were found. Basically all they seem to have is a trumped up stolen gun charge. How can they watch this guy long enough to get a warrent for a raid, and then not find anything and charge the guy for attempted murder in his own house. Just bad police work unless some other things come to the surface. And you know F'n NJ will find some way around it.

 

I wonder how many people in Waco would have been saved if the ATF would have just waited for David to go to town then grab him.

 

Yeah, apparently it wasn't like they were lost for opportunities.

I guess when they have the chance to get all the toys in the sandpit they just can't resist.

Janet Reno et al, need to be in jail for the asphyxiated children - at very least.

 

Greetings,

Classic mozambique is still teached to many security forces for handguns: 2 body, 1 head.

Normal cops are not trained to mozambique bad guys. Special forces, like SAS and Delta are trained to do ONLY head shots and body shots are considered the second option.

US army, Marines, SEALs, Rangers, etc, are trained to hit the center of mass with multiple shots. Canadian Joint Task Force 2 is trained like SAS: head shots. US nuclear centrals security teams are trained for center of mass (except the snipers again).

I think SWAT teams are trained for center of mass too except the snipers who are trained for different shots.

One thing we begin to see more and more is the deployment and usage of shotguns and AR-15 with the police forces. Many bad guys now use body armors that can stop handgun rounds but not rifle rounds. I was talking with a cop from a neighbour county (He shot a bank robber 1 month ago and he is an ex-air force security officer) and he is exchanging his 9mm SIG for a 44 magnum because he is seeing more and more bad guys wearing II and IIa body armors in GA and SC... He now has an AR-15 in the car (not the trunk)with him equipped with green tips ammo... I think it is a shame that the bad guys are getting more equipped.

Thank you

 

it makes me sick the cops are carrying AR15's.... only a few steps away from being our new, FRIENDLY military police

AR15's, ninja suits, specialized gear, i LOVE it :thumb:, welcome to the new amerika!

whats next??? every cop has an AR in the car??? maybe a select fire weapon??? Military grade everything for the cops???

 

Considering that some bad guys can get some pretty impressive firepower the cops need a bit of an equalizer. North Hoolywood shootout
Also why are you worried about cops getting AR15'S when an average joe can pick one up?

 

Greetings,

Another misconception of the typical US citizen...

The police is not there to serve and protect. This is only a slogan on thecars to make you feel good. The police mission is there to arrest law violators and make sure the law violators are brought to justice. NOTHING MORE.

The U. S. District Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has made it clear that the police has NO duties to protect the citizen (McKee v. City of Rockwall, Texas, Id. at 413.).

This is not the only court case related to this issue. Riss v. City of New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579, 293 NYS2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y. Ct. of Ap. 1958); Keane v. City of Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1968); Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1983); Calogrides v. City of Mobile, 475 So.2d 560 (S.Ct. A;a. 1985); Morris v. Musser, 478 A.2d 937 (1984); Davidson v. City of Westminster, 32 C.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rptr. 252, 649 P.2d 894 (S.Ct. Cal. 1982); Chapman v. City of Philadelphia, 434 A.2d 753 (Sup.Ct. Penn. 1981); Weutrich v. Delia, 155 N.J. Super 324, 326, 382 A.2d 929, 930 (1978); Sapp v. City of Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla.Ct. of Ap. 1977); Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E. 2d 871 (Ind.Ct. of Ap.); Silver v. City of Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (S.Ct. Minn. 1969) and Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 61 (7th Cir. 1982).

Thank you

 

If you read the whole thing you would see what it was Texas law back in 1985 (If I read that correctly)
"Under the Texas assault statutes, and the pre-1985 arrest statutes, the officers would need to find evidence of "serious bodily injury"--an element of an aggravated assault, which is a felony--before they could arrest a person for an assault committed outside of their presence. For the officers to make a misdemeanor arrest for simple assault, an element of which is "bodily injury," either they would have to witness the incident or they would have to procure a warrant. To procure a warrant, it is necessary for the complaining party to file a complaint."

 

I was at a friends house when it got raided by the police.. we were watching a movie at the tv then heard a crash and were like wtf is someone breaking in next thing I know a gun was shoved into my face I had no idea who it was because it happend so fast.. what happend I grabed the gun and fliped it around (they had swat on the back) they then said police drop the gun I was like O your cops Ok then and handed the gun back I thought it was a home invasion.. they didnt like how easly he lost his gun and while searching the house after cuffing everyone.. they shot my friends dog because the open the door with the dog inside while it was barking and just reached in and shot the dog (Had to search that room and they were threatend by a dog behind a door) what happend was they found nothing.. it was a snitch that gave them a random adress for a drug house and the cops came in and raided it.. shot the dog found nothing and said to bad pay for your door that we broke because we have a warrent.. and to bad about the dog (my friend whos dog it was after they uncuffed him punched the cop right in the nose broke it (he didnt get charged because that cop had a dog and understood) He sued the city and got 60,000 settlment out of it..

 

So let me get the straight. So after you took the cops gun that was pointed at your face (I am surprised that none of the other cops shot you after doing that) you give it back like nothing happened and they begin cuffing you guys up after your little stunt if its true. Also they shot the dog? There are a few ways to deal with a dog besides shooting it through the door.
Do you have the case file for this (With you being a witness and help testifying the events.) to prove this even happened? Because my BS meter is going up from what I just read.

 

thats how my cops dress, minus the mask, and helmet...

but the pants/shirt/boots... yeah we got those

 

no links, but i remember it was on the news the cincinati cops wanter AR's last year...

 

So the only thing that you heard about cops wanting AR-15's was something that you heard last year on the news....