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O.K., if you disliked Palin before the debate, you probably still dislike her afterwords. Same with Biden.

What I want to know is what's up with the Shiny black dress? She looks like she is going to a funeral. Bad choice in my opinion, though I've never been known to be up on high fashion.

O.K., to substance, I thought they both exceeded the expectations. I thought Palin made a good point when she said something like "being a D.C. outsider, I don't understand this 'I voted for the war' and now I'm against the war' talk". Her worst moment was when she changed the topic from the economic impact on main street to talk about energy.

For Biden, I thought his worst moment was when he slipped and said going after Obama in Afghanistan. His best moment, IMO, was when he fired off a litany of failures of the last 8 years and how it wouldn't change with McCain/Palin.

The campaign hasn't changed a bit: same now as it was 5 hours ago.
 

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i hate them both, but i think palin did a good job overall. biden was ok but boring next to the C.I.L.F. (candidate id like to ****) RILF? (republican) vpilf? milf (maverick) woilf? (washington outsider) ya der ya hoser ay!
 

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Maybe it is just me but Palin seemed very nervous. Didn't watch much of it. I did hear that the Republicans said that Palin "won" and the Democrats say that Biden "won" the debate. Imagine that! How does one win or lose a debate? Do they have guys jump up with a card with a numerical score after each question, like the Olympics?
 

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They put her in a black dress to make her look more serious. Most people view her as the bubble headed beauty queen- so they need a look that people can take seriously. Bright colors and pastels do not give the impression of seriousness and credibility that she needs to portray.

You're right- I still don't like her- but, that said- I think she did a very nice job handling herself- the public speaking coach McCain set her up with did her alot of good. I admit- I was looking for a train wreck in relation to her- but she managed to pull it off and look respectable. I still think she comes off as FAR too 'down homey' to be a big time DC player- but- she managed to avoid the public catastrophe which was what everyone was expecting- so kudos to her.


O.K., if you disliked Palin before the debate, you probably still dislike her afterwords. Same with Biden.

What I want to know is what's up with the Shiny black dress? She looks like she is going to a funeral. Bad choice in my opinion, though I've never been known to be up on high fashion.

O.K., to substance, I thought they both exceeded the expectations. I thought Palin made a good point when she said something like "being a D.C. outsider, I don't understand this 'I voted for the war' and now I'm against the war' talk". Her worst moment was when she changed the topic from the economic impact on main street to talk about energy.

For Biden, I thought his worst moment was when he slipped and said going after Obama in Afghanistan. His best moment, IMO, was when he fired off a litany of failures of the last 8 years and how it wouldn't change with McCain/Palin.

The campaign hasn't changed a bit: same now as it was 5 hours ago.
 

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bIt was not a "game changer". Both met their minimum expectations. I expect MCain's poll numbers to reound a little, but that has more to do with how quickly and far they've fallen than with Palin's performance.

I feel kinda bad for MCain--he pulled out of Michigan and his winning strategy is now to focus on WI, MN and PA, all of which he's currently at least 5 points behind in. Most recent polls also have him losing in Florida, Virginia, Colorado & NM, all of which were "red" states in 04.

His campaign seems to be really cratering at this point. How low can he go???

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Is it November 5th yet?

Hmmmm, so let me get this straight, it's ok for Biden to ask God to bless our troops, but when Sarah speaks of it, ooooohhhh, she's brought religion into the debate. Pot, kettle, black.
 

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Is it November 5th yet?

Hmmmm, so let me get this straight, it's ok for Biden to ask God to bless our troops, but when Sarah speaks of it, ooooohhhh, she's brought religion into the debate. Pot, kettle, black.
.....? Huh? Who said anything complaining about religion in the debate? :confused:
 

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I didnt notice what she was wearing till she walked from behind the podium at the end of the debate. Then I got a look at her shoes.

I think she deserves a few extra points for debating in heels .

She could have worn flats, but did you see how short she still was next to Biden with those shoes on?
 

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All I have to say is that some kid on YouTube told me that the only reason I liked Palin was I had a hard on for her. I swiftly told him at least I didn't have one for Biden. As far as looks, she clearly won that debate. Black is formal and traditional. It's timeless.

As far as the talking points, it's anyones guess. Debating is one thing, values are another. Don't get me wrong, being a good debator is important, but it's the beliefs that you hold that counts in my book. I just don't see any values with the Obama/Biden ticket. At least McCain/Palin have some record of right doing.
 

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But still the question remains - do we really want EITHER one of them for President if their candidate goes down? IMHO I see it this way - McCain may say he's a maverick and Obama says he WILL change things (although he keeps talking about a 10 year plan and can only be in office 8 years) but the Senate and the House still run the country. Better yet he who controls the currency controls the country and that my friends would be the Federal Reserve.
 

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I think Biden handled himself better, but Palin had better content.

I whole heartedly agreed with Biden when he said Cheney is the most dangerous VP we've ever had. 100% correct. But he outright lied a couple times concerning Obama's voting record. He didn't attack Palin's record, but rather forced her to defend McCain and Bush. A wise tactic. Being a lawyer and a politician for 5 million years he looked much more in his element than Palin did.

Palin did look visibly nervous and stumbled once or twice, but being new to the game I think she did well overall. I think she should have gone on the attack much more than she did. Obama and Biden are easy prey. His lean toward Socialism is an easy target she never tagged.

And it must be some powerful mojo AIPAC puts in their DC Kool-aid. "I support Israel" ... "No I support Israel more than you!!!" Pssshh.

Oh yeah...more o the same.
 

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I think her worst moment was when she said she agrees with Cheney about the Constitutional role of the Vice President.
I dunno- I thought the very first thing out of her mouth was the worst- (the handshake with the deer in headlights look and the "Can I call ya Joe?" LOL
 

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I agree that Palin seemed nervous. At times she spoke choppy and monotone like a FEM BOT from the Austin Powers movies.
 

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...Being a lawyer and a politician for 5 million years he looked much more in his element than Palin did....
Biden came off as a greedy lawyer and corrupt politician just like his DC counterparts more so that Palin did, that's how I saw it.

At this point it isn't about picking some 3rd party to run. They aren't going to win. Repeat, anyone not democratic or republican will not win. You are forced to either not vote or choose one or the other in some way, shape or form, no matter who you vote for. And I'd rather not see Obama in office.
 

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At this point it isn't about picking some 3rd party to run. They aren't going to win. Repeat, anyone not democratic or republican will not win. You are forced to either not vote or choose one or the other in some way, shape or form, no matter who you vote for. And I'd rather not see Obama in office.
As I've said before I understand that point of view. I don't want Obama in there either. But NOTHING will really change in this country until the majority jumps off the two-party train. I jumped off several years ago, and so have some others.

No, the 3rd party candidate won't win this year, but numbers are increasing. Too little too late unfortunately.
 

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An Mr. Lawyer, high IQ, Biden rebutted with Article 1 of the USC establishes the executive branch. WRONG, it establishes the Legislative branch.

She is right that the USC gives the VP a hand in the Legislature. The VP is the President ex Officio of the Senate. the highest ranking position in the Senate.

Think the media will give old Joe a lesson in Constitutional law? Not our media that are Obama worshippers.
I think her worst moment was when she said she agrees with Cheney about the Constitutional role of the Vice President.
 

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Don't get me wrong, being a good debator is important, but it's the beliefs that you hold that counts in my book. I just don't see any values with the Obama/Biden ticket. At least McCain/Palin have some record of right doing.

Hmmm, Obama has a long record working with charitable organizations in the inner city, taking crappy pay when he could have been making mucho dinero doing pretty much anything else. He has a record that includes opposing the Iraq war, fighting for middle class (less than 250K) tax cuts, and supporting important science like embyonic stem cell research. His values clearly include standing up for "the little guy", helping for the poor and using violence as only a last resort. These sound like good, mainstream Christian and American values, to me!

You may not LIKE his values, but it's silly to say he has no values, or that he has no record of doing "right". Surely even the most hardcore Obama hater can see some things he's done that they agree with.

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