[Littlebits]

I think he's just a self loathing anti-American. Some people actually believe everything they hear in the media.
It's sad really.



Except...it's NOT "the truth".
The "TRUTH" is, we still have the ability to fight and destroy any two given countries in the world, at the same time, without using nukes.

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Ruck up, or shut up.

how well was the stoneage country Afghanistan destroyed? while the US destroyed some other country? obviously they didn't even do it half asses but why invade a country if you don't plan on doing it properly? would the costs have been too high? I am sure we can find a few other countries the US have been in that didn't go all that well...

 

[soocom1]

how well was the stoneage country Afghanistan destroyed? while the US destroyed some other country? obviously they didn't even do it half asses but why invade a country if you don't plan on doing it properly? would the costs have been too high? I am sure we can find a few other countries the US have been in that didn't go all that well...

Again, the US population was snookered on that.

The plan was NEVER to actually win, but to create forever wars that fueled the olagargy.

 

[Jdog67]

Lets face it we didn't win in Afgainainstan .. we didn't win in iraq.... we haven't won a single war from WW2.... That was with mostly Russians doing the heavy lifting and dyeing ......

Hey, we kicked Grenada's ass pretty good...

 

[raventacticalmedia]

Hey, we kicked Grenada's ass pretty good...

yeah....That was pretty much like burning a church at waco.... nothing much to it.

 

[leadcounsel]

ahh ... the i vote republican every election types.... 4th of July and our country wins... everything single handed.

Lets face it we didn't win in Afgainainstan .. we didn't win in iraq.... we haven't won a single war from WW2.... That was with mostly Russians doing the heavy lifting and dyeing ......

Sorry dude our equipment is broken and combat readiness is at the lowest it has ever been. Morale with the troops has been wiped out with the socialist agenda and all the social politicizes of trans rights.... has wiped out the force. Oh not to mention they forced people out with the vaccine mandate and people are getting sick from that as well. We dropped the standards for all the branches and have yet to really make a effort to fix the issues. The other side is the top leadership has stated that we can't win a war with a near peer nor can we win against two near peers. In English that means russian and china will defeat us in a knock out drag fight. (we lose) we don't have the troops trained for a peer to peer fight after spending 30 years fighting the sand people and losing those wars.

Sorry that the truth isn't what you want to hear but it has to be said.

Sadly this is accurate.

If we had an honest discussion, the US has more problems and more serious problems than we can handle, and we have a nearly 100% complete failure of civilian and military leadership at nearly all levels. There are not enough courageous, honest, or competent people in ANY civilian or military office or branch to make a difference, and I think we saw that exposure under Trump, and the fraudulent stolen 2020 elections in broad daylight, as MOST of our leaders, politicians, and courts stood by and watched or even outright endorsed it.

Our "leaders" are focused on nonsense, phantom "inequality" issues, covid, masks, shots, and other tripe while we ignore or mismanage crippling serious unavoidable issues which WILL destroy us. Debt. Intense inequality/poverty. Wars. Supply chains. Inflation. Fraud in the financial markets. Runaway inflation. Crippling illegal drugs destroying a generation. Domestic terrorism aka BLM and Antifa. Unemployment. Lack of manufacturing base. Intense corruption in senior offices.

We cannot and have not convincingly won a real war with a real peer since the cold war, and that harmed or threatened our prosperity nearly as badly as Russia's, since we just outspent them into bankruptcy and they got there first. Now it's our turn. Before that, it was WWII in which case we entered late and Europe & Russia had already done 3 years of fighting before we arrived... Americans want to take credit for winning WWII, but that's naive. We surely heavily contributed and it was a global Allies team effort, but Russia likely would have prevailed ultimately or drew it into a multi-year stalemate. They had endless men and resources. The US won in Japan because we luckily had ultimate new technology in the atomic bombs, which shocked Japan into submission. But for the atom bomb use, war with Japan could have consumed many years and a million men.

So, credit WWII wins largely to Russia and the atom bomb.

 

[soocom1]

Sadly this is accurate.

If we had an honest discussion, the US has more problems and more serious problems than we can handle, and we have a nearly 100% complete failure of civilian and military leadership at nearly all levels. There are not enough courageous, honest, or competent people in ANY civilian or military office or branch to make a difference, and I think we saw that exposure under Trump, and the fraudulent stolen 2020 elections in broad daylight, as MOST of our leaders, politicians, and courts stood by and watched or even outright endorsed it.

Our "leaders" are focused on nonsense, phantom "inequality" issues, covid, masks, shots, and other tripe while we ignore or mismanage crippling serious unavoidable issues which WILL destroy us. Debt. Intense inequality/poverty. Wars. Supply chains. Inflation. Fraud in the financial markets. Runaway inflation. Crippling illegal drugs destroying a generation. Domestic terrorism aka BLM and Antifa. Unemployment. Lack of manufacturing base. Intense corruption in senior offices.

We cannot and have not convincingly won a real war with a real peer since the cold war, and that harmed or threatened our prosperity nearly as badly as Russia's, since we just outspent them into bankruptcy and they got there first. Now it's our turn. Before that, it was WWII in which case we entered late and Europe & Russia had already done 3 years of fighting before we arrived... Americans want to take credit for winning WWII, but that's naive. We surely heavily contributed and it was a global Allies team effort, but Russia likely would have prevailed ultimately or drew it into a multi-year stalemate. They had endless men and resources. The US won in Japan because we luckily had ultimate new technology in the atomic bombs, which shocked Japan into submission. But for the atom bomb use, war with Japan could have consumed many years and a million men.

So, credit WWII wins largely to Russia and the atom bomb.

to a point I agree.

Personal experience: I work in local gov. (county level). I have interactions with folks on all levels of gov. from municipal to Federal and tribal. One example I can give is an individual in state level gov. who actually thinks gov. is the equality maker and keeper, by thinking that gov. is there to help people achieve their greatest potential.

Another individual in another county stated that people who don't agree with his version of reality needs to "just give up and accept" that the system is going to censor, mitigate and take away freedoms, because he saw them as a threat to 'equality".. (A good Marxist thought process.)

Many folks I know in gov. actually want very badly to do it right. They don't see people as stupid or ignorant or incapable of taking care of themselves and actually fight for the autonomy.

But when you have companies that push crap to local, state, federal and tribal gov. for such things as "Locational Mapping Security" (no I am not making this up) where EVERYONE is tracked 100% of the time EVERYWHERE, for "safety sake" you have to realize that the allure is too strong.

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This idea that parents are a threat wasn't borne of one simple argument about school boards, government as a WHOLE sees your independence AS A THREAT!

This is why this situation is so dame critical in the future of this world.
This is the RISE of the Beast and its system!

 

[Rural Buckeye Guy]

The Ukrainiand main advantagr is a huge reserve of battle tested troops and reserves. If Brandon can dump enough arms to counter hvy vehicles, chances are that they can delay, stop, delay, stop the Russians.
This is a food war and the Ukraine is a bread basket that Russia desperately needs. They need it relatively intact and undamaged. The best weapon they have is scorchedd earth...burn it as they retreat. Make. it bloody. Putin is alot more vulnerable than he can afford to admit.

 

[Outpost75]

What we know is that RU deployment occurred after significant violence against ethnic Russians in the eastern province. It was billed as a defensive deployment to keep Kiev forces out of Russia. Those divisions have done nothing offensive in two and a half months while diplomats talk. Certainly Russian SF and paramilitary units are supporting the separatists with intel, logistics, and advisors. Par for the course.

Taking all this at face value with only open source reporting one can conclude that RU has no immediate plans for invasion. That doesn’t mean it won’t happen in the remaining 6 weeks of good cross country mobility weather. They just need the right pretext.

By analogy to Desert Shield/Storm. It takes a minute to get logistics in place for a Combined Arms Front to maneuver. That’s likely done now. Diplomatic shenanigans provide political cover. Putin knows that Biden is not up to the job and is likely to do something dumb because Ukraine has lots of Compromat on Biden, Inc. Burisma is likely only the tip of the iceberg. So Putin will poke and prod until Biden does something dumb and clears the way to liberate the ethnic Russians east of the Dnepier River. Same thing we did in Kuwait. At least that’s one way to look at it. We made some pretty outrageous demands of Saddam too.

I’m betting 70/30 on a war, started by Kiev. The first major indicator was our sending Javelin AT missiles. Now I’m seeing news reports of troop deployment from a Brigade to a Corps. Haven’t asked any of the boys what they’re working on and they should not say anyway. I would look at stocks of major defense companies and petroleum futures to see what the market thinks.

As our 44th President said, never underestimate Joe’s ability to screw things up.

I hate to see us get in another tussle wasting blood and treasure. Timing isn’t ideal.

 

[9 point]

Your big on slamming the US military tovarich. The Russia Stronk is stronk in you.

umm what...again.

 

[soocom1]

Oh how ironic it would be if a Russian invasion led to Biden's removal?

 

[PeterWiggin]

This thread is more about the financial implications. The military and political aspects are discussed in other threads on SB.

lol, this thread went off the rails fast.

Y'all, can you stay on topic? Zooey is asking about the consequences to us as individuals/preppers.

I appreciate some of the insights, like corn and wheat prices going up. Gas going up?

will our daily lives change that much? Will it just be some price increases, but supply and cost won't be that disrupted?

Will unemployment go up? Maybe it'll go down?

 

[soocom1]

No. Seriously.

Think about this: If Biden and grown spermmy son are into their eyeballs with Ukrainian corruption, a fullout invasion of Kyiv could potentially uncover malfeasance and high crimes that is worthy of REAL presidential removal!
The consequences would be staggering!

Could you imagine Putin displaying all the nasty evil paperwork, photos, electronic files, et-al of poo poo boy and offspring before the world?

 

[Aberro]

Yawn, It’s been done before, did you even notice?

“The Second Chechen War (Russian: Втора́я чече́нская война́, Chechen: ШолгIа оьрсийн-нохчийн тIом, lit. 'Second Russian-Chechen War'[31]) was an armed conflict in Chechnya and the border regions of the North Caucasus between the Russian Federation and the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, fought from August 1999 to April 2009.?

 

[ImStillHere]

So many socks rubbing the sleep out of their eyes...

 

[ActionJackson]

What will happen if it turns "hot?" Same thing as always. America will send their good men to the front lines to risk their lives, bleed, get maimed, and die. The politicians will say that we're "fighting for freedom" and that we had to "put Russia in its place." American politicians will claim the moral high ground then forget about our troops when they no longer serve a political purpose. The warmongers (both sides of the aisle) who get us involved will pocket a bunch of cash while restricting veteran services (as they give taxpayer money to illegals and the Taliban). The "woke" soldiers will have cushy desk jobs and will proclaim that their "pronoun" isn't equipped to kill or be killed.

When it's all said and done ... the Global Elitists will benefit in some shape or manner and the American people will suffer the true ravages of war. JMO

 

[leadcounsel]

Russia has been amassing military on the border for nearly all of the last year, holding training exercises, showing military might, flexing, etc.

Why would Russia be up to this, if not planning on invading?

It's almost surely coming.

And China is watching to see what happens b/c Taiwan is next.

 

[Asag]

No. Seriously.

Think about this: If Biden and grown spermmy son are into their eyeballs with Ukrainian corruption, a fullout invasion of Kyiv could potentially uncover malfeasance and high crimes that is worthy of REAL presidential removal!
The consequences would be staggering!

Could you imagine Putin displaying all the nasty evil paperwork, photos, electronic files, et-al of poo poo boy and offspring before the world?

If the files were to be had the GRU or the SVR would have them right now and dripped to the press. Unless of course the information incriminated a Moscow friendly politician or businessman so any such file would not be shared at this very opportune moment.

 

[zooeyhll]

Thanking everyone for their replies. I have read all of them.

However---getting back onto the subject of the original post:

I am wondering about the financial and economic implications of the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

How have markets (commodities, energy, the NYSE) been reacting to this?

There seems to be 3 schools of thought on this crisis:

1) Nothing will happen. It will just fizzle-out.

2) The worst-case scenario. Putin invades or starts an "action" in Ukraine. Energy prices go through the roof. Commodity prices like grain explode. Food prices go up as a consequence.

3) Putin invades. Or some sort of limited action. There will be an initial panic. But then things gradually settle down somewhat. We don't import much from Ukraine. Even less from Russia. Europe takes a hit from losing Russian energy supplies. However the U.S. and the Saudis ramp-up production to ease the crisis. Severe sanctions against Russia. But again, at least in the case of the U.S., we don't do much business with them already as it is.

 

[WILL]

I'm no fan of what Russia is doing, but I don't think America has an interest in this fight. Let Ukraine fight its own battles. They provide nothing for us, why should we bleed and pay through the nose for them? If Ukraine falls to Russia, what real consequence is it to you and me? Their economy could completely collapse, and how would that affect America? Shoot, if anyone should be running in there to support the Ukraine its Europeans, not America. Where's all the German, Polish, French and British troops? They have alot more skin in this game than us. We didn't get involved in WWII until they bombed Pearl Harbor but for some reason since we're the worlds police force to our own detriment.

 

[44 Guy]

Oh how ironic it would be if a Russian invasion led to Biden's removal?

Nooooo! Biden needs to stay in until the midterms. He's one of the best things the republican party has going right now!