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Agreed, just wondering out loud how we as voters can continue to be so stupid as to keep voting them into office!
You do get what you vote for huh?

I disagree with the result of their vote but I’m not living there and so all I can say is that its their town and I believe in the freedom to let them screw it up as they see fit.
 
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You do get what you vote for huh?

I disagree with the result of their vote but I’m not living there and so all I can say is that its their town and I believe in the freedom to let them screw it up as they see fit.
Agreed. This is the price of freedom and it proves that voting does matter.
 

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Makes sense, what does repeating words accomplish?

i love seeing the bull**** slip through, "The original pledge did not have the words "under God."
At the request of the Knights of Columbus and other groups, Congress added one nation "under God" in 1954.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/28/compromise-on-pledge-allegiance-in-oregon-town-has-some-seeing-red/#ixzz1QdIMOyQw"
 

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Its just as well. I mean, a majority of folks could careless about this countrys sovergnty, few these days share family values, and few have a sense of pride in country anymore, so why not finish destroying the things this once great nation was founded on and bound us uniquely as Americans. Why do it piece meal, lets go big or just stay home and just get it over with. Its quiet clear that we wont be going back to those founding principals anytime soon, at least not in my life time.
 

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Just saying again...if you didn't like socialism than you would agree with them not using it.

The Pledge of Allegiance was created by Francis Bellamy...a Christian Socialist who got fired from the church for pushing his Socialist agenda on everyone. It originally had a Nazi salute before they changed it after Nazi Germany's rise to power.

Bellamy was a Christian Socialist who "championed 'the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus.'" But he was forced to leave his Boston church the previous year because of the socialist bent of his sermons.
The recital was accompanied with a salute to the flag known as the Bellamy salute, described in detail by Bellamy. During World War II, the salute was replaced with a hand-over-heart gesture because the original form involved stretching the arm out towards the flag in a manner that resembled the later Nazi salute.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
 

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Makes sense, what does repeating words accomplish?

i love seeing the bull**** slip through, "The original pledge did not have the words "under God."
At the request of the Knights of Columbus and other groups, Congress added one nation "under God" in 1954.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/28/compromise-on-pledge-allegiance-in-oregon-town-has-some-seeing-red/#ixzz1QdIMOyQw"
But yet its in there now.

If you are going to say it, millions do and have no issues with it, then we say it as it is now. "One Nation under God..."

If it is said at a function and you honestly dont believe in this country and what she stands for then dont say it, you have that right.
 
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Just saying again...if you didn't like socialism than you would agree with them not using it.

The Pledge of Allegiance was created by Francis Bellamy...a Christian Socialist who got fired from the church for pushing his Socialist agenda on everyone. It originally had a Nazi salute before they changed it after Nazi Germany's rise to power.

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and I'll say this again as well, why would a canadian liberal care what we do in the greatest country in the history of the planet.

when you get your citizenship then you get to comment, until then do you really think, as Americans, we care what you associate with your socialist government or your Nazi references?

I doubt it.
 

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But yet its in there now.

If you are going to say it, millions do and have no issues with it, then we say it as it is now. "One Nation under God..."

If it is said at a function and you honestly dont believe in this country and what she stands for then dont say it, you have that right.
How does not saying words mean that i don't believe in this country. It just means i don't believe in the ceremony bull****. Words are meaningless its the actions that count. How many politicians recite the pledge, then go an make a law for profit, or only assist their buddies?

I always thought this country was about freedom, and importantly the separation of state and church. To state that i am loyal why must i change my beliefs. Why am I and so many other's not included? We are not one nation under god, because i don't believe, which makes that statement false.
 

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How does not saying words mean that i don't believe in this country. It just means i don't believe in the ceremony bull****. Words are meaningless its the actions that count. How many politicians recite the pledge, then go an make a law for profit, or only assist their buddies?

I always thought this country was about freedom, and importantly the separation of state and church. To state that i am loyal why must i change my beliefs. Why am I and so many other's not included? We are not one nation under god, because i don't believe, which makes that statement false.
You have the absolute right not to recite the pledge, just as you don't have to swear on the bible in court - but I don't see where these folks get the nerve to insist that the rest of us Americans don't have a right to recite it at public function.
 

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How does not saying words mean that i don't believe in this country. It just means i don't believe in the ceremony bull****. Words are meaningless its the actions that count. How many politicians recite the pledge, then go an make a law for profit, or only assist their buddies?

I always thought this country was about freedom, and importantly the separation of state and church. To state that i am loyal why must i change my beliefs. Why am I and so many other's not included? We are not one nation under god, because i don't believe, which makes that statement false.
Its an easy fix

Then dont say it.

or better yet vote to change it back.

Good luck with that.
 
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Comedian George Brown....er I mean Councilman George Brown should take his routing on the road. Preferably a road leading to a nation that doesn't believe in silly things like God, Flag and Patriotism. Silly old fashioned ideals us old dinosaurs cling to because we don't know any better. What do you want to bet that Mr. No Pledge doesn't believe anything in the oath he took to assume his office either. I also bet he never spent a day in uniform or served his country in any way unless it was to suck on a government pay check.
 

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Comedian George Brown....er I mean Councilman George Brown should take his routing on the road. Preferably a road leading to a nation that doesn't believe in silly things like God, Flag and Patriotism. Silly old fashioned ideals us old dinosaurs cling to because we don't know any better. What do you want to bet that Mr. No Pledge doesn't believe anything in the oath he took to assume his office either. I also bet he never spent a day in uniform or served his country in any way unless it was to suck on a government pay check.
Lots of comedians becoming politicians.

Must be an easy transition.

Al Franken comes to mind.

Did Obammy do stand up before he was elected?
 

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Comedian George Brown....er I mean Councilman George Brown should take his routing on the road. Preferably a road leading to a nation that doesn't believe in silly things like God, Flag and Patriotism. Silly old fashioned ideals us old dinosaurs cling to because we don't know any better. What do you want to bet that Mr. No Pledge doesn't believe anything in the oath he took to assume his office either. I also bet he never spent a day in uniform or served his country in any way unless it was to suck on a government pay check.
So, does believing in 2/3 make it okay or does one have to do all or nothing? I believe in the Flag and Patriotism, but not your God. I also did serve this country in more ways than the military, though I did that also.

I am not if I agree with him about the uniting us comment, though I have had people comment to me on how I say the Pledge in that I replace One Nation under God to One Nation under the Aesir and Vanir who are my Gods and these we not nice comments.
 

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So many libs so little time. The seperation of church and state does not proclude the use God or religion in public or politics. I simply states that the Government shall make no law endorsing one religion over another. The only ones who win are the non-believers (liberals). Just like the pledge of allegiance. If you don't like it don't say it but don't deny the other the right to say it. If it were not for the flag and what it represents you wouldn't be having this debate now instead you would just be snapping your heels together and putting a hand in the air. If you don't like what is going in Eugene, Oregon write or call the mayor at: Kitty Piercy
(541) 682-5010 (work)
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And tell em Loren sent ya.
 
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