Ricekila
The other Coach should be FIRED !
Those in academia want the masses to race to the bottom
At one time, we took pride in being better, stronger, smarter than those around us
I came from a day when only one guy got a trophy and the others when home and got on the porch
At one time, we took pride in being better, stronger, smarter than those around us
I came from a day when only one guy got a trophy and the others when home and got on the porch
This is like taking pride in beating up someone smaller and weaker.
Running up the score is unsportsmanlike.
Running up the score is unsportsmanlike.
"They should feel sorry for his team, which isn't learning the game the right way."
Seems to me they are. The point of the game is to win, not to bolster everyone's self esteem.
Seems to me they are. The point of the game is to win, not to bolster everyone's self esteem.
This is what happens when everyone gets a trophy.
"You won, so we are suspending you."
"You trained your team right, so we are suspending you"
"You know how to play the game, hers your suspension"
All BS.
Life sucks children, learn to deal with disappointment.
"You won, so we are suspending you."
"You trained your team right, so we are suspending you"
"You know how to play the game, hers your suspension"
All BS.
Life sucks children, learn to deal with disappointment.
Oh fer heavens sakes!
I don't get it. If they were suposed to quit playing once they are ahead, then shouldn't that be a rule? and who enforces it, the ref? Then suspend the ref.
I don't get it. If they were suposed to quit playing once they are ahead, then shouldn't that be a rule? and who enforces it, the ref? Then suspend the ref.
Why not just stop keeping score?
Who needs numbers any way? Take the hoops down and just run around with the ball for an hour.
Who needs numbers any way? Take the hoops down and just run around with the ball for an hour.
I'm totally impressed that ANY team could actually score over 100 points in one half. I am disgusted that the coach allowed that to happen. This is absolutely, totally wrong.
I coach. Small school, relatively successful, we set a record for most consecutive wins, the streak ended this year.
When I coached volleyball, several times I had a kid serve a ball out intentionally after a ref missed a call. Had a lot of parents from both sides of the bleachers comment on their appreciation of that. Yeah, I want to win...but I want to actually beat you, not have it handed to me.
You work hard, you sweat and bleed and plan, and you want to be 160 points better than the other guy.
But you don't have to put the points on the board to establish your superiority.
It sucks, a LOT, playing a varsity game where your starters get 8 or 12 minutes, and then watch the JV or freshmen play. Been there, done that, and it makes it hard for your players to prepare for the next game, when they must battle the whole game. You could prepare better in a scrimmage with your own JV, right?
But it's what you do. What comes around, goes around. You keep your foot on the gas until you have established that you are in control...and then you get other kids some reps. If it's THAT bad, you change what you are doing. Stop pressing, stop passing in football, require 12 passes before a shot...there are ways to make the game worthwhile to your kids, and not embarrass the other kids.
We've had football games where we told the freshmen running backs that, if they got past the linebackers, to run straight to our sideline. And they did...should have heard the play by play guy on that one!
There are rules in some places. Utah has a 35 point mercy rule in football, if you are up by 35 after the 2nd half starts, the clock runs except for after TDs and timeouts. Basketball should have something like that, IMHO. But then...how do you set a record for the largest come-back?
That's one other small thing. There are some old records that still stand, that shouldn't be kept, like this highest point differential. To break that record, you have to do exactly what this coach did...but then we give him crap about it? If it's wrong to do that...why keep that record in the books?
It's ridiculous to glorify it, then slap the guy down for trying to meet or beat that standard. It's PC at its worst.
But my answer isn't to say he was right. My answer is to say the record, and the attitude it fosters, and this coach, are all wrong.
I wouldn't set him down, it's not all on him, but the coaches association should step up and make some things known regarding expectations, agree on some things everyone can live with, set some standards, hold everyone to them, and then go on teaching kids the right things.
Winning is good, preparing and planning and teamwork and meeting goals, all are exactly what it's about.
Destroying a bunch of teenagers from another school isn't how you do that.
I coach. Small school, relatively successful, we set a record for most consecutive wins, the streak ended this year.
When I coached volleyball, several times I had a kid serve a ball out intentionally after a ref missed a call. Had a lot of parents from both sides of the bleachers comment on their appreciation of that. Yeah, I want to win...but I want to actually beat you, not have it handed to me.
You work hard, you sweat and bleed and plan, and you want to be 160 points better than the other guy.
But you don't have to put the points on the board to establish your superiority.
It sucks, a LOT, playing a varsity game where your starters get 8 or 12 minutes, and then watch the JV or freshmen play. Been there, done that, and it makes it hard for your players to prepare for the next game, when they must battle the whole game. You could prepare better in a scrimmage with your own JV, right?
But it's what you do. What comes around, goes around. You keep your foot on the gas until you have established that you are in control...and then you get other kids some reps. If it's THAT bad, you change what you are doing. Stop pressing, stop passing in football, require 12 passes before a shot...there are ways to make the game worthwhile to your kids, and not embarrass the other kids.
We've had football games where we told the freshmen running backs that, if they got past the linebackers, to run straight to our sideline. And they did...should have heard the play by play guy on that one!
There are rules in some places. Utah has a 35 point mercy rule in football, if you are up by 35 after the 2nd half starts, the clock runs except for after TDs and timeouts. Basketball should have something like that, IMHO. But then...how do you set a record for the largest come-back?
That's one other small thing. There are some old records that still stand, that shouldn't be kept, like this highest point differential. To break that record, you have to do exactly what this coach did...but then we give him crap about it? If it's wrong to do that...why keep that record in the books?
It's ridiculous to glorify it, then slap the guy down for trying to meet or beat that standard. It's PC at its worst.
But my answer isn't to say he was right. My answer is to say the record, and the attitude it fosters, and this coach, are all wrong.
I wouldn't set him down, it's not all on him, but the coaches association should step up and make some things known regarding expectations, agree on some things everyone can live with, set some standards, hold everyone to them, and then go on teaching kids the right things.
Winning is good, preparing and planning and teamwork and meeting goals, all are exactly what it's about.
Destroying a bunch of teenagers from another school isn't how you do that.
Seems to me that the responsibility for stopping the rout is the refs. It's a bit much to ask the coach to hell his team to 'stop trying'. But such a beating is just not needed. It's clear that they are much better, there's no need to keep wailing on the other team.
But the ref's are in charge of keeping peace and sanity in a game. They should have just done what a fight ref does and called it.
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But the ref's are in charge of keeping peace and sanity in a game. They should have just done what a fight ref does and called it.
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''He's a great X's and O's coach," Chung said. "Ethically? Not so much. He knows what he did was wrong."
Coach Chung, why don't you focus on your own team?! It's hard to envision any team scoring only 2 points in 40 minutes. YOUR TEAM SCORED A WHOPPING **ZERO** FIELD GOALS!! (It was 104-1 at the half, so they must've scored one free throw per half). You should be ashamed to even call yourself a coach.
What, did you put 6 or 7 random girls on your team and held no practices and had pizza instead?? You should've trained your players in better basketball fundamentals. <sarcasm> Hey, if your team can't shoot and you don't want an super-embarrassing 161-2 loss? How about teach them proper motion and spacing on the floor and play keep-away; maybe your can lose by 75 instead of 159. </sarcasm> Dont' quit your day job...
Coach Chung, why don't you focus on your own team?! It's hard to envision any team scoring only 2 points in 40 minutes. YOUR TEAM SCORED A WHOPPING **ZERO** FIELD GOALS!! (It was 104-1 at the half, so they must've scored one free throw per half). You should be ashamed to even call yourself a coach.
What, did you put 6 or 7 random girls on your team and held no practices and had pizza instead?? You should've trained your players in better basketball fundamentals. <sarcasm> Hey, if your team can't shoot and you don't want an super-embarrassing 161-2 loss? How about teach them proper motion and spacing on the floor and play keep-away; maybe your can lose by 75 instead of 159. </sarcasm> Dont' quit your day job...
He switched to second string players to try to slow their victory. He shouldn't be forced to do even that. There are valuable life lessons to getting one's clock cleaned. I would be tempted to say, "Only in California...," but we all know this is coming soon to a school near you if it's not there already.
Also, the opposing coach is a whiny douchenozzle, and the Arroyo coach should sue him for libel and slander. The real world doesn't reward effort; it rewards accomplishments. The rabbit doesn't get a participation medal for not escaping the predator; he gets eaten. Period.
Also, the opposing coach is a whiny douchenozzle, and the Arroyo coach should sue him for libel and slander. The real world doesn't reward effort; it rewards accomplishments. The rabbit doesn't get a participation medal for not escaping the predator; he gets eaten. Period.
Way, way, way bigger and closer than just a school near me. Income inequality is unfair. It's unfair if America is more productive, has more freedom, or has more might than other countries. It's unfair if my kid is good at math and yours isn't.He switched to second string players to try to slow their victory. He shouldn't be forced to do even that. There are valuable life lessons to getting one's clock cleaned. I would be tempted to say, "Only in California...," but we all know this is coming soon to a school near you if it's not there already.
Anything unequal is unfair and instead of focusing on making the weaker team stronger, we focus on punishing the stronger team. Culling the strong from the herd to make the herd weaker and weaker.
So I guess your still sniping - and getting back on topic is to hard for you ?
OK -- now remember -- no whining --
OK -- now remember -- no whining --
"People shouldn't feel sorry for my team," Chung said. "They should feel sorry for his team, which isn't learning the game the right way."
Seems they learned the game the right way pretty damn well. The team that obviously hasn't learned the game is the one that only scores 2 points. You almost have to try to not score to only get 2 points. I could put together a team of people from this forum and play against the best team in the NBA and score more than 2 points.
I heard this story on the radio today and all I could do is roll my eyes. When this country finally does get rolled over by another country that isn't full of *****s I hope all of you remember it was your way of thinking that got us ran over.
Seems they learned the game the right way pretty damn well. The team that obviously hasn't learned the game is the one that only scores 2 points. You almost have to try to not score to only get 2 points. I could put together a team of people from this forum and play against the best team in the NBA and score more than 2 points.
I heard this story on the radio today and all I could do is roll my eyes. When this country finally does get rolled over by another country that isn't full of *****s I hope all of you remember it was your way of thinking that got us ran over.
I do not understand the point of these stories. Never in any of them do they say what the coach SHOULD have done. Not put any players on the court at all? Tied their hands behind their backs? Forbid them to touch the ball? IMO it would be far more humiliating and condescending to deliberately play badly than to just honestly whoop the other team. If you suck, you suck. You get better by playing teams better than you are.
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The coach of the losing team should have thrown in the towel at the half.
Maybe they need a mercy rule in their league.
The coach of the losing team should have thrown in the towel at the half.
Maybe they need a mercy rule in their league.
California athletics have different levels of league play. I think maybe that there needs to be a downgrading for the losing team and maybe an upgrading for the winning team. That way they both should be happier playing against someone with a similar skill level.
The article doesn't explain the options for this coach or all the other coaches who will be in this situation in the future.
What would have been better ways to handle this type of situation? Leading 104-1 at the half should you have your team. . . .
1) Not play the second half and forfeit the game?
2) Bench all but your 5 worst players and hope they are bad enough to not score any more points, because your good players are too good and should not be allowed to play?
3) Purposely hand off the ball to the other team giving them unlimited opportunities to score, maybe even having your players coach the other teams player on how to shoot a basketball? (because apparently their coach didn't teach them how to shoot a basket)
4) Trade some players with the other team so they can have a better chance to actually score some points?
5) Know ahead of time the other teach is lousy and refuse to play them?
Keep in mind, the other team had previously lost a game by 91 points, apparently the cook in the cafeteria would be a better coach option for their team.
What would have been better ways to handle this type of situation? Leading 104-1 at the half should you have your team. . . .
1) Not play the second half and forfeit the game?
2) Bench all but your 5 worst players and hope they are bad enough to not score any more points, because your good players are too good and should not be allowed to play?
3) Purposely hand off the ball to the other team giving them unlimited opportunities to score, maybe even having your players coach the other teams player on how to shoot a basketball? (because apparently their coach didn't teach them how to shoot a basket)
4) Trade some players with the other team so they can have a better chance to actually score some points?
5) Know ahead of time the other teach is lousy and refuse to play them?
Keep in mind, the other team had previously lost a game by 91 points, apparently the cook in the cafeteria would be a better coach option for their team.
This is telling: A Southern California high school basketball coach has been suspended and faces accusations of mercilessly running up the score after his team won a game 161-2, one of the most lopsided scores in state history.
Not THE MOST but one of the most.
Some softball leagues have a 10 run rule, after 5 innings if a team is up by 10 runs or more, game over.
One of my most vivid memories is coming back from a 21 point 3rd quarter deficit to win the game by one point!
The problem is the WUSSIFICATION of sports. In competition, there is a winner and a loser. Everyone isn't a winner. Not keeping score is BS.
That's my 2 cents.
Not THE MOST but one of the most.
Some softball leagues have a 10 run rule, after 5 innings if a team is up by 10 runs or more, game over.
One of my most vivid memories is coming back from a 21 point 3rd quarter deficit to win the game by one point!
The problem is the WUSSIFICATION of sports. In competition, there is a winner and a loser. Everyone isn't a winner. Not keeping score is BS.
That's my 2 cents.
Come on folks. I'm all for putting points up. But it's not, at all, acceptable to just keep beating them when they are down. This isn't war, it's not survival, it's a game. We can learn a lot from a game...but I don't think we need to learn that it's perfectly acceptable to just beat the crap out of someone, just because you can.
I've coached in varsity football games where we scored over 40 points in a quarter. If things had continued, we might have outscored this basketball team in that game.
But it does no good, at all, for your starters to keep playing against no real competition. They aren't improving, they aren't getting better, they aren't learning any life lesson worth learning.
We make it clear to our kids, in those situations, that we too, could enjoy putting up big numbers and stats.
But that's not what we are about. We want more than that.
A week after we beat one of those types of teams 47-6, our rivals beat them too, and set a state record for rushing yards by one player. He ran the ball over 40 times, and they won 35-12. We had won by 6 touchdowns, and 7 running backs had over 50 yards each. Of course, our rival averaged nearly 10 yards per carry, while we were closer to 15 yards per carry, and had 200 yards passing.
Three weeks later, we beat that "record setting team" by 50, the kid had under 90 yards, and 70 of them were against our JV defense.
And the JV kids that played nearly a half of each game that year were the ones that continued the win streak for three more years. When they graduated, the only game they had ever lost was the second game of their freshmen year, and none of them actually played in that game, unless maybe as time ran out at the end.
I'll take that over beating the crap out of some helpless opponent every time.
I've coached in varsity football games where we scored over 40 points in a quarter. If things had continued, we might have outscored this basketball team in that game.
But it does no good, at all, for your starters to keep playing against no real competition. They aren't improving, they aren't getting better, they aren't learning any life lesson worth learning.
We make it clear to our kids, in those situations, that we too, could enjoy putting up big numbers and stats.
But that's not what we are about. We want more than that.
A week after we beat one of those types of teams 47-6, our rivals beat them too, and set a state record for rushing yards by one player. He ran the ball over 40 times, and they won 35-12. We had won by 6 touchdowns, and 7 running backs had over 50 yards each. Of course, our rival averaged nearly 10 yards per carry, while we were closer to 15 yards per carry, and had 200 yards passing.
Three weeks later, we beat that "record setting team" by 50, the kid had under 90 yards, and 70 of them were against our JV defense.
And the JV kids that played nearly a half of each game that year were the ones that continued the win streak for three more years. When they graduated, the only game they had ever lost was the second game of their freshmen year, and none of them actually played in that game, unless maybe as time ran out at the end.
I'll take that over beating the crap out of some helpless opponent every time.
I am wondering what the fix is to this situation. Is the winning coach suppose to tell his players to go out there and just walk around with their hands in their pockets?
I mean serious, do you tell your guys to stop shooting and just walk around. Do you take out all your players but two?
The coach said he had already put in the second and third strings and they were still winning.
How about the refs stop the game after the 3rd quarter and make the losing team forfeit do to not being able to be serious competition.
I mean serious, do you tell your guys to stop shooting and just walk around. Do you take out all your players but two?
The coach said he had already put in the second and third strings and they were still winning.
How about the refs stop the game after the 3rd quarter and make the losing team forfeit do to not being able to be serious competition.
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