Um do you think those chucks just appeared? The attack on lawful citizens is planned and organized at the highest levels. This is just a small sample.

 

Not abrasive at all, but I want to disagree on one thing. I AM NOT concerned about the rights of Evil People (I'm outspoken about unjust/lawful killing of citizens). Personally, criminals, especially habitual ones, need to be put to death. I am in total agreement that these scumbags get probation or out of prison early, while they are all willing to throw the book at some kid for smoking a joint. The problem is the entire system and I also agree, until people grow a pair of brass juevos and take back their streets (the law won't/can't do it), it will only get worse.

My advice, the next time you are assaulted, do us all a favor and put them down for good.

 

"Huevos" not juevos or Cojones

 

The gov. has been bragging for years with all the technology and military machines at the ready to come after the average citizen if they go against the grain but yet just because these folks are black the gov lets them "burn this b down"? Wheres the DHS?

 

The gov. has been bragging for years with all the technology and military machines at the ready to come after the average citizen if he wants to stand up but yet just because these follks are black the gov lets them "burn this b down"? Wheres the DHS?

That is a darned good question, what is the role of the DHS if not something like this? Maybe it is a good time to justify their existence.:thumb:

 

C'mon NCal. You know the DHS is there to protect THEM (and themselves) from you and me. I'd give my place in line not to believe that was the truth, but I can't.

 

A glaring example of this was Ferguson MO. The law enforcement officials only protected THEIR and other Government properties.

 

...At some point I really wish the decent citizens out there would muster their rightful militia and reclaim their cities.

You/we fight so hard to protect the 2nd Amendment right. I'm proud of that, and I feel it is a critical liberty to maintain. When is the point you/we organize and USE that right, to preserve our liberty...

It's a joke. On a piece of paper somewhere, we have a right to bear arms and organize a militia, but unfortunately that paper doesn't include a set of balls. It's apparent to me that the bandana clad brick chuckers are more committed to their cause then the good citizens are to their own liberty... Nut up folks. These brick chuckers do not have a right to victimize your cities and neighbors..

Ok, so let's say that I see what's happening on the streets and I kit up with AR and battle rattle and join the fray. I walk up to a line of organized LEOs who are being pelted with bricks and I say, "Howdy, gents. I'm here to help." What, honestly, is going to happen next? I'm either going to be arrested or sent home with a scolding.

So instead I avoid the police and I simply walk around my city, maybe with several other citizens with similar kit and attitude. How long until the Police or National Guard decide to confront us?

I've seen way too many videos of uniformed government representatives harassing Constitutionally armed citizens. You want Joe and Jane America to stand up, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Bundy Ranch was a perfect example of Americans doing exactly what you are asking for, but even then it was citizens against LEOs, and we saw there who blinked.

I feel for you brother, I truly do, but it's not laziness or apathy that's keeping this dog out of the fight.

 

These felons/ habitual offenders plea out to probation or for lesser time than their offenses require. This is facilitated by the judges and lawyers who have no accountability when these same lawbreakers commit new felonies.
Why is this happening?
Because these felons recommit crimes in the neighborhood area where they live.
Judges and layers don't live in those areas.

 

These felons/ habitual offenders plea out to probation or for lesser time than their offenses requires. This is facilitated by the judges and lawyers who have no accountability when these same lawbreakers commit new felonies.
Why is this happening?
Because these felons recommit crimes in the neighborhood area where they live.
Judges and layers don't live in those areas.

Not to mention that if they kept the criminals off the street, they would be out of a job. Job security is a good motivator.

 

The militia is the last line of defense in our Republic. Unfortunately, it's hard to find people to make the commitment. 1987 - Present

 

I guess the bigger question is has the mayor, governor, local police chief or sheriff called on the militia for help?

The militia is confined in and around the local community and work in cooperation with law enforcement/military. They are an organized force of local people, once they go out of their local area operation they are no longer considered a militia, they are an army and that isn't legal because we have an army.

The Free Militia may go on alert or mobilize under any number of unforeseen scenarios. However, alerts and mobilizations will be called for automatically under the four following conditions.

*An alert will be sounded whenever any member of the Free Militia is arrested or killed under circumstances suggesting that his fate was related to his involvement in the Free Militia. The alert will be upgraded to mobilization if it is confirmed that portions or the rest of the Free Militia is at risk.

*An alert will also go out whenever we discover that there has been an infusion in our community by state or federal law enforcement officers who are working independently of the local police. This alert will be upgraded to mobilization if it is confirmed that the infusion is a precursor to operations against the Free Militia or its allies (i.e., house-to-house searches, gun confiscation, widespread arrests, etc.).

*We will mobilize whenever any constitutional right to keep and bear arms, privacy, or fair trial is being infringed by laws that are actively and widely enforced in our area. For instance, house-to-house searches or waiving of all trials by jury in other communities will cause us to prepare for similar measures in our community.

*We will mobilize if and when there is an invasion of the United States by a foreign power or an attempted overthrow of our constitutional government.

http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/library/militia/2-1.html

Maybe you have the militia confused with citizens and perhaps the citizens are afraid they'll be hauled off to the poky or killed by the police if they try to join y'all.

 

To the OP.
"Let's roll!"
We are ready as citizens to perform that duty. With one caveat. We would expect the same legal protections and courtesy that you would expect.
No one wants to stick their nose into this **** just to be arrested for being a vigilante. That's why we pay you to do it.
Thank you for your service.

 

I will support my local Police if they support me and my rights.

 

Do they not do that every single day?

 

Well said and I couldn't agree with you anymore. Americans have become pretty pathetic. I have lost all hope and fear it's only going to get worse. Be careful out there.

 

Could you imagine what would happen to armed citizens if they went out to help police in Baltimore? They would be arrested on the spot.

 

Could you imagine what would happen to armed citizens if they went out to help police in Baltimore? They would be arrested on the spot.

this is what would happen.

 

THis is not directed at you personally, rather law enforcement as a whole and, more importantly, your superiors.

The law enforcement in this country has spent the last 30 or 40 years criminalizing the concept of a standing militia. I wasn't very interested in news and such prior, but I hear it was going on well before the incidents with Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh, and the Montana Freemen. Those are just the earliest examples I can remember. I'm not saying these people were innocent or anything like that but simply giving examples of how the law enforcement community used the media to demonize the militia.
It was later re-energized with the Hutaree Militia just a few years ago. Again, I'm not saying these people were innocent, but that was the event that got me curious about militias and started my research into what was going on.

When are you guys ASK for help?. I'm not talking about those times when you're already wrestling with some thug. Get off this particular site and get on some of the militia sites and find the people in your area. Then get off the computer and get to know those people personally. I'm not talking about joining a group but let them know you are on their side. Let them know they can trust you.

I can tell you it won't be easy, there is much distrust throughout the militia community against police. There are a few who are LEOs but they keep it even more quiet than around here. There's just too many out there trying to make an arrest.

This is where it starts. There's a lot of groups out there that WANT to make a contribution to their communities and they want to be there to watch your back but they can't because it seems like every cop is just looking for the next bust. You get their trust, you work with people in your department on mutual trust and you might be surprised just how much help you will find.

 

What happens in Maryland is none of my business, nor my problem.

Let Marylanders fix the problems in Maryland.

So the flying squad of freedom are supposed to stand with law enforcement in Maryland, but against them in Nevada.

So confusing. Think I'll pass.

If people in foreign states can't or won't fix their own problems, why should I go in and do it for them?

 

A foreign state? You are no longer in a Colony.

 

Damn man, that was awesome.:thumb:

 

Tell you what OP. Put your badge in the drawer, hang up the uniform and drive to thr next city and play vigilante. Report back with your findings.

Untie my hands and I'll lend them to you.

 

Daisycutter,
If I, and I imagine most here on this board, saw you in a losing scuffle would lend a hand without hesitation. But from what I see in these riot situations it is a controlled environment where the police are using tactics. Not to mention 3 or more media types recording every move. To ask citizens to join into that type of situation is a lofty idea.

 

We know that if we did that then the "Thin Blue Line" would come crashing down on us for it. Many of us would like to but I think you know exactly what would happen. Probation for the gang bangers and an example made out of the militia.

I'm afraid you are on your own on this one. I avoid contact with both zombies AND police, as many whom you would consider normal law abiding people do. In fact I had a self defense situation a couple of weeks ago where I used my P229 to back down a drunk guy with a knife while I was walking my dog. Calling the police never even crossed my mind. The divide between civilians and police is much broader and enveloping than you think.

 

No citizens are there because the cops are in control. Or they would be if the Mayor let them. But then we see where that Mayor actually granted permission for those who wish to destroy can do that. Every person suffering a loss should sue that idiot personally for their losses.

Plus no citizens are there because we are talking about Baltimore. That city has been taken over by voters of a certain persuasion. There are no citizens left to exercise their 2nd. They’d be hung out to dry if they did.

Shoot one of the darlings that Baltimore embraces as their cherished citizens? You’d be screwed every way they could do you. And it’d cause more riots.

I went there years back and before I went, I reached out to some Baltimore cops I knew through another forum.

They all said, “Bring a gun”. They also said to stay in the Harbor Yard area and not stray much. I had a good time and I followed their advice. I was in and out and thankfully didn’t need the gun. But I had one.

 

In Ferguson, MO the Oath Keepers slipped into town to help business owners protect their property. The Governor had the State Patrol threaten them with arrest if they did not leave the city. Almost all of the businesses they where prepared to defend where looted and/or burned to the ground. The city police, county police*, state highway patrol and National Guard all stood a few blocks away. Watching. Ordered not to “incite” the rioters.


* St. Louis County has no Sheriff.

 

There's no doubt that is true. I saw it as well. Our leaders are scared the death of an armed populous. Not of current militias their a complete joke. But they understand if they went mainstream that they would lose all their power.

 

I've been thinking a lot about this lately:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

When I see pleas like this OP I think about it more. It feels defeatist but I never seem to come up with a way to "speak" or otherwise respond to what's going on without ending up being one of those taken in the first round. Maybe I need to just grow a set but, honestly, some days it seems like no matter how many or how vigorously we respond there's no way to come out on top of this.

Like others said, if I try to help LE I'll be turned away or arrested. If I try to protect my home or community, LE or DHS will invade my home with a military equipped SWAT team and me and my family are likely to be killed rather than incarcerated.

I write and call my congress critter but what does that get me besides being added to "the list". I support NRA and GOA but what does that get me besides occasionally "winning" a battle but each time actually losing a tiny bit of rights through the compromises made to "win"?

I'm old, broken down, and probably won't live to see the end of this. We're saddened and terrified of the future that faces our children and grandchildren but what can we do to actually fix this? I have begun to feel that it's already too late to actually fix it. So many rights have been so eroded. So much apathy or complacence has enveloped us that we say "as long as it's not in my backyard it doesn't matter, it doesn't effect me, I don't have to do anything about it".

Many here and elsewhere call for a second American Revolution. Many talk about the 300 million guns in private hands. Does anyone truly expect today's Americans to get off their fat butts to do anything? Does anyone truly think that our 300 million ARs and AKs are going to be effective against the very well equipped and trained DHS and US military - probably along with foreign support?

If anything ever happens it's not going to be a quick and easy win. At best it's going to be a very long and costly (in lives) guerrilla war that still might not end up being a victory.

The best I can do is to try and prepare and provide for me and mine and my community as best as we can, try to survive the seemingly inevitable collapse (whatever that ends up being) and try to be prepared to try and rebuild afterwards.

Damn, when I started writing this I didn't intend to be so negative and defeatist but right now, in the middle of the night, that's what it looks like I guess. Maybe the dawn truly is brighter after the darkness, but it sure looks awful dark right now and that dawn seems daily further away.

Sorry for being such a downer tonight.

 

Yes well put....What people in power have to understand though is someday they will not be in power,somday they will be civilians.....

 

Mr. Arnold...well said.

 

In times like this I remember back in 1968 while watching the evening news Mayor Daley of Chicago stated "I have given the orders to shoot to kill any looters"...This would end this **** real easy....
The National Guard is now called in which will cost all American tax payers...
I say make a law if you are caught on video looting,arson ect you lose your government assistance check for the rest of your life....

 

OP, your opinion on this matter is refreshing, but it's uncommon. The LE establishment in the US is violently anti-militia. I am not a member of anything that resembles a militia in any way, but if I was, I couldn't lift a finger to help in a situation like Baltimore until I had it in writing that the LE wasn't going to turn on me. I'd fight if my own was threatened, but in today's social and political climate, the militia and LEOs are opponents.

And the LEOs are the only ones who can change that. The free militia can not.

 

Immunity from Federal,State and City criminal law and civil liability then we can talk....Also if I am ever a juror I would always help out a person that stuck their neck out..

 

Armed citizens have no role to play in these small local disturbances as LE will consider them part of the problem.
The usefulness of local militias will come into play in a much larger breakdown of which LE cannot control and is totally overwhelmed by.