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While doing research on the Maunder Minimum (not looking for any link to climate change at all...i promise) I came across this paper written by John E. Beckman and Terence J. Mahoney.

http://www.solarstorms.org/SunLikeStars.html

The article caught my attention due to its age. I often like reading current event books...but 10-20 yrs later just to see how accurate predictions are. Its like finding an old newspaper. Well, this particular publication was penned in 1998.

In it, the writers give a basic introduction to what the Maunder Minimum was/is and talks about how the research was done in order to discover it. It also discusses how they did a 30 year experiment of other stars or similar age, size and intensity. In this research they found that "Maunder Minima" also happen on these stars and they stay in a state of minima for around 20% of the time.

Finally, at the end, the writers talking about how they themselves are not sure that this has anything to do with global warming (the term climate change had yet to be inverted at the time), but they did draw this link to the fact that the Maunder Minimum coincided with an era of colder weather. They also warn of jumping on the greenhouse gas bandwagon. Basically, the writers call climatologist to nearsighted. They think that a few decades of records make their science more relevant, trumping hundreds of years. Even in 1998 they warn of scientist leaving the field of astrophysics in order to follow the money and grants being given to climatologist.

I didn't know what the Maunder Minimum was until joining SB. I think I read about it in Snowie's thread (I could be wrong but i think this is it http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=293254). If you're like me, and wanna know more about the topic, and recent minimum do a search on Dalton Minimum, Maunder Minimum and Spörer Minimum. The Dalton Min was the most recent. This happen in the early 1800's. These seem to be on a 200ish year timeline.

Feel free to flame now...:thumb:
 

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Nothing wrong with looking at various facts. I think people flame simply because other people make claims without ever considering the opposition.

I think we are experiencing a calmer than normal solar cycle myself. Will it sink into a minimum? I really don't know. Just as I don't know if it will bounce right back and go into a maximum.

Time will tell, and I'll be watching :thumb:
 

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Thanks Fittest. Like you, I'm not gonna go balls out on this one theory. The evidence seems to be pointing in this direction, but I still like to keep an ear to the ground to see even something else might pop up. For instance, I think Fukashima presents a more imminent danger than the solar shutdown for the time being. Ive just been focusing my attention on this topic because 1. its new to me and 2. because there are so many nah sayers its hard to find legit infer on this. I try not to go to sites like Alex Jones and Rushbough.
 

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Thanks Fittest. Like you, I'm not gonna go balls out on this one theory. The evidence seems to be pointing in this direction, but I still like to keep an ear to the ground to see even something else might pop up. For instance, I think Fukashima presents a more imminent danger than the solar shutdown for the time being. Ive just been focusing my attention on this topic because 1. its new to me and 2. because there are so many nah sayers its hard to find legit infer on this. I try not to go to sites like Alex Jones and Rushbough.
Fukashima is the worst man-made disaster in history yet it continues unabated. have you ever asked yourself why there wasn't(isn't) a huge international effort to contain, control and clean up Fukashima? its because very soon it wont matter.
 

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Fukashima is the worst man-made disaster in history yet it continues unabated. have you ever asked yourself why there wasn't(isn't) a huge international effort to contain, control and clean up Fukashima? its because very soon it wont matter.
Why would it not matter soon?

Also, if Japan asked for international help, they'd receive a nice big international bill for the cleanup.
 

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Fukashima is the worst man-made disaster in history yet it continues unabated. have you ever asked yourself why there wasn't(isn't) a huge international effort to contain, control and clean up Fukashima? its because very soon it wont matter.
I disagree with you on the theory of it not mattering soon. I think its more along the lines of the MSM not really covering it. If Fukashima isn't a big deal, why did we rush aid to the Haitians after their major earthquake. Why did we rush aid to the Philippines after that monster cyclone last fall? I think the Japanese govn't has done a good enough job covering it up, that most people just ignore it.

Why would it not matter soon?

Also, if Japan asked for international help, they'd receive a nice big international bill for the cleanup.
Please, when was the last time the US ever asked for money in return for aid? NEVER!
 

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Climate change is a farce to gain more control period. The we have the whole humans playing with weather control problem. So on so forth. Prepare for a long winter(decades??) and/or a long hot summer. Simple as that. Try to keep politicians in check as well. Otherwise, I have one question, if you are arguing with a climate change idiot in a field, how many idiots are in the field?
 

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Climate change is a farce to gain more control period. The we have the whole humans playing with weather control problem. So on so forth. Prepare for a long winter(decades??) and/or a long hot summer. Simple as that. Try to keep politicians in check as well. Otherwise, I have one question, if you are arguing with a climate change idiot in a field, how many idiots are in the field?
Three? But in all seriousness, I was a "climate change idiot". It took arguing with an idiot to bring me back to earth. It can be done with persistence and RESPECT!
 

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It is funny every time someone brings up how us ants can really affect an environment the size of the earth. The earth goes through its cycles with or without us. Then you throw in the suns cycles, astrological cycles, etc and it becomes pretty clear that we ain't squat in the big picture. When the next cycle alters the poles again, we aren't the reason for it. The ice ages whatever's will come when it is time. Short of a worldwide nuclear bombing there will not be any nuclear winters. Now of course if the ones behind it all decide to set off nuke weapons on Yellowstone , specific faults, on top of certain oil fields at the bottom of the ocean... Then yes, those damn humans are the cause. But otherwise, we little specks in the big picture.

Of course then you can throw in HARRP as well. Hell, one can even design laser weapons on satellites that might might melt artic caps though that might be a stretch of the imagination.
 

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It is funny every time someone brings up how us ants can really affect an environment the size of the earth. The earth goes through its cycles with or without us. Then you throw in the suns cycles, astrological cycles, etc and it becomes pretty clear that we ain't squat in the big picture. When the next cycle alters the poles again, we aren't the reason for it. The ice ages whatever's will come when it is time. Short of a worldwide nuclear bombing there will not be any nuclear winters. Now of course if the ones behind it all decide to set off nuke weapons on Yellowstone , specific faults, on top of certain oil fields at the bottom of the ocean... Then yes, those damn humans are the cause. But otherwise, we little specks in the big picture.

Of course then you can throw in HARRP as well. Hell, one can even design laser weapons on satellites that might might melt artic caps though that might be a stretch of the imagination.

Yeah, you lost me at astrological cycles. I don't think anyone is attempting to initiate a super volcanic eruption. HAARP is NOT a super weapon weather former.

Although, I'm surprised after these three claims to hear you say that lasers capable of melting ice caps is the stretch.

I do think humans are minuet in the overall picture. I think it's naive to think that we're what caused this. BUT, it's also naive to think that we haven't helped it along. With a large chunk of the trees gone, and more people on our planet the ever before, CO2 is bound to climb...which it has. I think that humans are fortunate the sun is taking a nap, otherwise we might actually be in trouble. It's hard to tell who to believe. That's why I think respect is important.
 

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Farmers Almanac has been forecasting weather for years using astrological data.

No one wanting a volcanic eruption... Have you not noticed all the bunkers being built by the gov't lately? Denver's big new airport comes to mind with all it's underground tunnels.

HARRP doesn't have to be a super weather control weapon. You just start it up and all the crap they have been dumping in the atmosphere helps it along. Have you not heard about Sandy being guided by HARRP? It is an electromagnetic weapon and the weather is controlled by the earths magnetic field.

Whatever one may think, there is too much crap going on not to at least figure some of it out.
 
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