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If the current polls hold, Barack Obama will win the White House on November 4 and Democrats will consolidate their Congressional majorities, probably with a filibuster-proof Senate or very close to it. Without the ability to filibuster, the Senate would become like the House, able to pass whatever the majority wants.

Though we doubt most Americans realize it, this would be one of the most profound political and ideological shifts in U.S. history. Liberals would dominate the entire government in a way they haven't since 1965, or 1933. In other words, the election would mark the restoration of the activist government that fell out of public favor in the 1970s. If the U.S. really is entering a period of unchecked left-wing ascendancy, Americans at least ought to understand what they will be getting, especially with the media cheering it all on.
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The nearby table shows the major bills that passed the House this year or last before being stopped by the Senate minority. Keep in mind that the most important power of the filibuster is to shape legislation, not merely to block it. The threat of 41 committed Senators can cause the House to modify its desires even before legislation comes to a vote. Without that restraining power, all of the following have very good chances of becoming law in 2009 or 2010.

- Medicare for all. When HillaryCare cratered in 1994, the Democrats concluded they had overreached, so they carved up the old agenda into smaller incremental steps, such as Schip for children. A strongly Democratic Congress is now likely to lay the final flagstones on the path to government-run health insurance from cradle to grave.

Mr. Obama wants to build a public insurance program, modeled after Medicare and open to everyone of any income. According to the Lewin Group, the gold standard of health policy analysis, the Obama plan would shift between 32 million and 52 million from private coverage to the huge new entitlement. Like Medicare or the Canadian system, this would never be repealed.

The commitments would start slow, so as not to cause immediate alarm. But as U.S. health-care spending flowed into the default government options, taxes would have to rise or services would be rationed, or both. Single payer is the inevitable next step, as Mr. Obama has already said is his ultimate ideal.

- The business climate. "We have some harsh decisions to make," Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned recently, speaking about retribution for the financial panic. Look for a replay of the Pecora hearings of the 1930s, with Henry Waxman, John Conyers and Ed Markey sponsoring ritual hangings to further their agenda to control more of the private economy. The financial industry will get an overhaul in any case, but telecom, biotech and drug makers, among many others, can expect to be investigated and face new, more onerous rules. See the "Issues and Legislation" tab on Mr. Waxman's Web site for a not-so-brief target list.

The danger is that Democrats could cause the economic downturn to last longer than it otherwise will by enacting regulatory overkill like Sarbanes-Oxley. Something more punitive is likely as well, for instance a windfall profits tax on oil, and maybe other industries.

- Union supremacy. One program certain to be given right of way is "card check." Unions have been in decline for decades, now claiming only 7.4% of the private-sector work force, so Big Labor wants to trash the secret-ballot elections that have been in place since the 1930s. The "Employee Free Choice Act" would convert workplaces into union shops merely by gathering signatures from a majority of employees, which means organizers could strongarm those who opposed such a petition.

The bill also imposes a compulsory arbitration regime that results in an automatic two-year union "contract" after 130 days of failed negotiation. The point is to force businesses to recognize a union whether the workers support it or not. This would be the biggest pro-union shift in the balance of labor-management power since the Wagner Act of 1935.

- Taxes. Taxes will rise substantially, the only question being how high. Mr. Obama would raise the top income, dividend and capital-gains rates for "the rich," substantially increasing the cost of new investment in the U.S. More radically, he wants to lift or eliminate the cap on income subject to payroll taxes that fund Medicare and Social Security. This would convert what was meant to be a pension insurance program into an overt income redistribution program. It would also impose a probably unrepealable increase in marginal tax rates, and a permanent shift upward in the federal tax share of GDP.

- The green revolution. A tax-and-regulation scheme in the name of climate change is a top left-wing priority. Cap and trade would hand Congress trillions of dollars in new spending from the auction of carbon credits, which it would use to pick winners and losers in the energy business and across the economy. Huge chunks of GDP and millions of jobs would be at the mercy of Congress and a vast new global-warming bureaucracy. Without the GOP votes to help stage a filibuster, Senators from carbon-intensive states would have less ability to temper coastal liberals who answer to the green elites.

- Free speech and voting rights. A liberal supermajority would move quickly to impose procedural advantages that could cement Democratic rule for years to come. One early effort would be national, election-day voter registration. This is a long-time goal of Acorn and others on the "community organizer" left and would make it far easier to stack the voter rolls. The District of Columbia would also get votes in Congress -- Democratic, naturally.

Felons may also get the right to vote nationwide, while the Fairness Doctrine is likely to be reimposed either by Congress or the Obama FCC. A major goal of the supermajority left would be to shut down talk radio and other voices of political opposition.

- Special-interest potpourri. Look for the watering down of No Child Left Behind testing standards, as a favor to the National Education Association. The tort bar's ship would also come in, including limits on arbitration to settle disputes and watering down the 1995 law limiting strike suits. New causes of legal action would be sprinkled throughout most legislation. The anti-antiterror lobby would be rewarded with the end of Guantanamo and military commissions, which probably means trying terrorists in civilian courts. Google and MoveOn.org would get "net neutrality" rules, subjecting the Internet to intrusive regulation for the first time.



It's always possible that events -- such as a recession -- would temper some of these ambitions. Republicans also feared the worst in 1993 when Democrats ran the entire government, but it didn't turn out that way. On the other hand, Bob Dole then had 43 GOP Senators to support a filibuster, and the entire Democratic Party has since moved sharply to the left. Mr. Obama's agenda is far more liberal than Bill Clinton's was in 1992, and the Southern Democrats who killed Al Gore's BTU tax and modified liberal ambitions are long gone.

In both 1933 and 1965, liberal majorities imposed vast expansions of government that have never been repealed, and the current financial panic may give today's left another pretext to return to those heydays of welfare-state liberalism. Americans voting for "change" should know they may get far more than they ever imagined.
 

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Yes... if there are historians in the future, they will no doubt view Obama's election as the turning point to not only socialism but the beginning of the decline of the late great United States. China will become the only superpower and will kick our butts whenever they want. Obama, Reid, Pelosi... the will lead this country to ruination. Never in life have I had more fear for our society.
 

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Yes... if there are historians in the future, they will no doubt view Obama's election as the turning point to not only socialism but the beginning of the decline of the late great United States. China will become the only superpower and will kick our butts whenever they want. Obama, Reid, Pelosi... the will lead this country to ruination. Never in life have I had more fear for our society.

You seriously would place OBAMA'S "election" as the "turning point to not only socialism but the beginning of the decline of the late great United States"?

Obama's election, as well as McCains, will simply be a continuation of a process that began long ago. And the historians you speak of will be well aware that neither McCain OR Obama were actual candidates and they will go on to write about how one day, Americans woke up to what was going on, put their feet down and finally did something other than fight over which of the lesser of two evils sucked less. And then they will go on to talk about the hangings and the second revolution.. And how if not for a small handful of Americans, their writings would not even be possible.
 

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You seriously would place OBAMA'S "election" as the "turning point to not only socialism but the beginning of the decline of the late great United States"?
The only time in my life I have been more serious (and more scared) was when I proposed. That was a disaster, as Obama will be. I am dropping out and am going to party hearty 'cause if Obama gets a super majority congress we are toast as a nation and China will kick us off the face of the earth.
 

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Liberal progressive socialists will never be true Americans. They are the poster children for anti-americanism.

Their day will come quicker than they can imagine...
 

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You've been fooled. Can you wrap your head around that? I don't mean that as an insult, it's just a fact of life. Half the country has been fooled. You turn on the TV and the media makes no judgement, they just present both "sides" as equally bad, usually. When the media uses the word bipartisan you can be assured it means democrats are caving to republicans. When they use the word obstruction you can be sure they mean democrats aren't caving to republicans. When republicans don't cave to democrats, it's a failure on the democrats part to be bipartisan.

Everything you see and hear on a casual basis in the news is a narrative. A story that sells well and doesn's **** off advertisers and people in position to hurt them. Democrats are lefty loons sells because explaining the entire political spectrum has moved right is difficult and can't be done in 1 minute, 30 seconds. All we have in the general media is narratives.

The narrative is the dems are left and people like pelosi and kennedy and obama and boxer are far left whackos, and the narrative for the right is pretty positive: they're not ivory tower latte drinkers and they hate government just like you.

It's a story and most of the country has been fooled. I thought they were all the same and the left was as whacky as the right, etc., etc., into my 20s until I started reading history, basically, and started to learn the casual narrative I saw on TV everyday or overheard on the radio or whatever didn't fit with the facts. Wasn't till about 26-27 I started to pull my head out and now, 10 years later the air is much fresher and I actually know and understand things rather than just react according to my prejudices.

You've been fooled. It's OK, so has everyone else.
 

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the wall is everything that is wrong with america today, the perfect example of a sheeple. a blind, unthinking neanderthal that does whatever his magic t.v. box tells him to. i feel sorry for those in his radious when TSHTF, for he will use the excuse "liberal" to kill, rob, and rape. the whole time thinking he is an america hero.
 

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the wall is everything that is wrong with america today, the perfect example of a sheeple. a blind, unthinking neanderthal that does whatever his magic t.v. box tells him to. i feel sorry for those in his radious when TSHTF, for he will use the excuse "liberal" to kill, rob, and rape. the whole time thinking he is an america hero.
"a blind, unthinking neanderthal"???
That's coming from some one who naive.


A "sheeple" looks to Govco to solve their problems.
This is still a world that is controlled by the biggest and strongest. The one who can inflict the most violence. When the US military begins to truly fail a void will be left open and it will be filled.
 

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"a blind, unthinking neanderthal"???
That's coming from some one who naive.


A "sheeple" looks to Govco to solve their problems.
This is still a world that is controlled by the biggest and strongest. The one who can inflict the most violence. When the US military begins to truly fail a void will be left open and it will be filled.


and did i say anything about being pro-gov? im pro constitution. but that doesnt neccisarily make you a republican these days. people stuck on the lib vs conservative hype are too retarded to be helped. that has nothing to do with anything that is going on right now.
 

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Yes... if there are historians in the future, they will no doubt view Obama's election as the turning point to not only socialism but the beginning of the decline of the late great United States. China will become the only superpower and will kick our butts whenever they want. Obama, Reid, Pelosi... the will lead this country to ruination. Never in life have I had more fear for our society.
Wow, where have you been the last eight years. Since Bush took office ,the middleclass is on the decline, CEO's salaries have increased from 30x the floor employees salary in 2000 to more than 300x a floor employee salary in 2007. While the actual worker has seen their wages remain stagnant, or worse, cut in half. The federal deficit has been increased from 5 trillion(with a balanced annual budget) to now 11 trillion(with uncontrolled spending), thanks to tax cuts and Iraq war spending.( Increased deficit = inflation). Unemployment has gone from 3.8% in 2000 to over 6% currently. Corporations are fleeing the U.S. in mass exodus,(despite those disasterous tax cuts),fuel prices have tripled ,insurance companies are making record profits ,while they gouge the common American.Corporations are merging and monopolizing markets,(as they always do when a republican is in the Whitehouse). Obama the turning point? My ass.
 

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the wall is everything that is wrong with america today, the perfect example of a sheeple. a blind, unthinking neanderthal that does whatever his magic t.v. box tells him to. i feel sorry for those in his radious when TSHTF, for he will use the excuse "liberal" to kill, rob, and rape. the whole time thinking he is an america hero.
So , by looking at voting records and speeches of the lib/dem's gives us no clue as to who is the real unthinking ????

for he will use the excuse "liberal" to kill, rob, and rape.
Kind of like that Hero of the Left Che ??? Its the left / Socialist party that do the killing and raping , history read a little .


Now we have a ......................................drum roll ................................

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The economy is soooo...

F'ed Up,people are voting straight Dem ticket,I can't say I blame 'em.We can't go on the way we're going...an unending war we can't afford,almost everyone I know is losing their job or being downsized and those still working are taking home about 1/2 what they were a few years ago.Home values are tankin'...the seasonal shopping season is gonna be a disaster,no one can afford to travel and go out much anymore either.Something has gotta change..!!
 

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the wall is everything that is wrong with america today, the perfect example of a sheeple. a blind, unthinking neanderthal that does whatever his magic t.v. box tells him to. i feel sorry for those in his radious when TSHTF, for he will use the excuse "liberal" to kill, rob, and rape. the whole time thinking he is an america hero.
any excuse will do for some but thewall is hoping for a message straight from god that will tell him to start his rampage. or so he says. I hope not. I hope he will stop praying for that, people who pray for things tend to get a message after a while.

i kinda think that the Neanderthal were probably pretty much ok guys once you got to know them. Down to earth, practical, no twisted brainstems full of ideology and loathing for those who dont see things as they do. Just my idea.

If we sent thewall back to them unsuspecting Neanderthals to try to civilize, they might want to send him back to say Homo erectus and see if maybe those guys could accept him. I figure tho there'd be a sort of time machine barf and back he'd come.
 

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eh, first off I'm a ron paul supporter.

True the democrats are going to take over the helm of the government. But, the republicans have only themselves to blame for this... they have been in pwer for 8 years. they could have ensured there position of power, but instead they screwed it up royaly, so..
I don't see how they can be mad at the dems.. they should be mad at there republican representatives, and the republican party for basically handing it to the dems.....put the blame where it belongs, and hold the people that screwed it up responsible for whatever is comin..
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The Coming Backlash
> by Patrick J. Buchanan
>
> As Americans render what Catholics call temporal judgment on George
> Bush, are they aware of the radical course correction they are
> about to make?
>
> This center-right country is about to vastly strengthen a liberal
> Congress whose approval rating is 10 percent and implant in
> Washington a regime further to the left than any in U.S. history.
> Consider.
>
> As of today, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the San Francisco Democrat,
> anticipates gains of 15-30 seats. Sen. Harry Reid, whose
> partisanship grates even on many in his own party, may see his
> caucus expand to a filibuster-proof majority where he can ignore
> Republican dissent.
>
> Headed for the White House is the most left-wing member of the
> Senate, according to the National Journal. To the vice president's
> mansion is headed Joe Biden, third most liberal as ranked by the
> National Journal, ahead of No. 4, Vermont Socialist Bernie Sanders.
>
> What will this mean to America? An administration that is either at
> war with its base or at war with the nation.
>
> America may desperately desire to close the book on the Bush
> presidency. Yet there is, as of now, no hard evidence it has
> embraced Obama, his ideology, or agenda. Indeed, his campaign
> testifies, by its policy shifts, that it is fully aware the nation
> is still resisting the idea of an Obama presidency.
>
> In the later primaries, even as a panicked media were demanding
> that Hillary drop out of the race, she consistently routed Obama in
> Ohio and Pennsylvania and crushed him in West Virginia and Kentucky.
>
> By April and May, the Democratic Party was manifesting all the
> symptoms of buyer's remorse over how it had voted in January and
> February.
>
> Obama's convention put him eight points up. But, as soon as America
> heard Sarah Palin in St. Paul, the Republicans shot up 10 points
> and seemed headed for victory.
>
> What brought about the Obama-Biden resurgence was nothing Obama and
> Biden did, but the mid-September crash of Fannie, Freddie, Lehman
> Brothers, AIG, the stock market, where $4 trillion was wiped out,
> the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that enraged Middle America
> -- and John McCain's classically inept handling of the crisis.
>
> In short, Obama has still not closed the sale. Every time America
> takes a second look at him, it has second thoughts, and backs away.
>
> Even after the media have mocked and pilloried Palin and ceded
> Obama and Biden victory in all four debates, the nation, according
> to Gallup, is slowly moving back toward the Republican ticket.
>
> Moreover, Obama knows Middle America harbors deep suspicions of
> him. Thus, he has jettisoned the rhetoric about the "fierce urgency
> of now," and "We are the people we've been waiting for," even as he
> has jettisoned position after position to make himself acceptable.
>
> His "flip-flops" testify most convincingly to the fact that Obama
> knows that where he comes from is far outside the American
> mainstream. For what are flip-flops other than concessions that a
> position is untenable and must be abandoned?
>
> Flip-flopping reveals the prime meridian of presidential politics.
> If an analyst will collate all the positions to which all the
> candidates move, he will find himself close to the true center of
> national politics.
>
> Thus, though he is the nominee of a party that is in thrall to the
> environmental movement, Obama has signaled conditional support for
> offshore drilling and pumping out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
>
> While holding to his pledge for a pullout of combat brigades from
> Iraq in 16 months, he has talked of "refining" his position and of
> a residual U.S. force to train the Iraqi Army and deal with Al Qaeda.
>
> On Afghanistan, he has called for 10,000 more troops and U.S.
> strikes in Pakistan to kill Bin Laden, even without prior notice or
> the permission of the Pakistani government.
>
> Since securing the nomination, Obama has adopted the Scalia
> position on the death penalty for child rape and the right to keep
> a handgun in the home. He voted to give the telecoms immunity from
> prosecution for colluding in Bush wiretaps. This onetime
> sympathizer of the Palestinians now does a passable imitation of
> Ariel Sharon.
>
> No Democrat has ever come out of the far left of his party to win
> the presidency. McGovern, the furthest left, stayed true to his
> convictions and lost 49 states.
>
> Obama has chosen another course. Though he comes out of the
> McGovern-Jesse Jackson left, he has shed past positions like
> support for partial birth ******** as fast as he has shed past
> associations, from William Ayers to ACORN, from the Rev. Jeremiah
> Wright to his fellow parishioners at Trinity United.
>
> One question remains: Will a President Obama, with his party in
> absolute control of both Houses, revert to the politics and
> policies of the Left that brought him the nomination, or resist his
> ex-comrades' demands that he seize the hour and impose the agenda
> ACORN, Ayers, Jesse, and Wright have long dreamed of?
>
> Whichever way he decides, he will be at war with them, or at war
> with us. If Barack wins, a backlash is coming.
 
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and did i say anything about being pro-gov? im pro constitution. but that doesnt neccisarily make you a republican these days. people stuck on the lib vs conservative hype are too retarded to be helped. that has nothing to do with anything that is going on right now.
I think the Rep vs Dem is the problem; not Libs vs Conservatives.

Conservatives are constitutionalists for the most part. :(:confused:

There needs to be another party or organized group with in the Republican party and Democrat party. The Common Sense Dems and Common Sense Repubs. Of course they would be subverted by the Libs and country club Repubs charading as common sensors. I'm ramblin on bla, bla, bla
 
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