[Batko10]

Thanks to the economic sanctions imposed by President Trump in conjunction with his military policies the days of the Ayatollah are numbered.

Yesterday, tens of thousands of Iranian people took to the streets. Only this time they were NOT shouting, "Death to America." They were chanting, "Death to the dictators" and "Death to the Liars."

Nations around the world are starting to denounce the Iranian tyrannical dictatorship. THE ONLY ALLIES THE AYATOLLAH HAS LEFT ARE IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES!

 

[Lagnar]

THE ONLY ALLIES THE AYATOLLAH HAS LEFT ARE IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES!

The democrat party tends to side with our enemies wherever they may be found (even inside our own borders). They even go out of their way to make enemies of our friends and thwart any attempt to make peace with our enemies.

Of course that's all because our current POTUS is trying to do it. :thumb:

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

It would be nice to see the mullahs be overthrown and a secular government return to power. Many more Iranians will die at the hand of their own government before that happens.

 

[n1d]

CAW!

I see a better chance of RBG retiring than Iran changing anytime soon.

 

[Fonz]

THEN: “I expect that the American role actually will be fairly minimal…. I think fundamentally the recreation of a hopefully democratic Iraqi government — that must rest with the Iraqis. I think they are fully competent to do it.” — Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton, 11/20/02

NOW: “Congratulations to all involved in eliminating Qassem Soleimani…. Hope this is the first step to regime change in Tehran.” — former National Security Adviser Bolton, 1/3/2020

 

[jimbowie1]

IT will fall into tribal warfare, The MULLAHS. will take all the $ head to a friendlt country where they can buy protection, Lets not be fooled again by PROTESTER,s saying they LOVE AMERICA, total b/s, Its their country let them either change it themselves, with their own $ and their own people dying, not 1 penny or 1 drop of american blood , just so they can turn on us REMEMBER WE ARE THE GREAT SATAN 0% chance they will ever become true FRIENDS of america, Its our $ they want. JMO

 

[ManyFeathers]

This really needs to start and finish with the people of Iran!

I'm not saying we shouldn't help, its just that they need to do this themselves

 

[neiowa]

Guns for Hong Kong

Guns for Iran

 

[Idaho Survivalist]

Do you think President Trump will send in troops and change the government to one more suitable to dealing with us?

 

[real wowwee]

Do you think President Trump will send in troops and change the government to one more suitable to dealing with us?

No. Best the US might do is clandestine efforts to destabilize and/or provide money and arms to resistance. Frankly I think the mullahs have structured the government and society to be almost revolution proof. Any successful effort would be bloody bloody bloody.

 

[ralfy]

Most don't know this, but the rise of Islamic leaders in Iran took place because people revolted against the dictatorship of the Shah of Iran, which was backed by the U.S. after the latter destabilized democratic elections in the country. Even the Iranian nuclear industry was supported by the U.S. After that, the U.S. tried to strike deals with the Islamic revolutionaries via Irangate while its own ally, Iraq, started falling apart.

The U.S. started imposing economic sanctions against Iran over the development of an industry that it ironically supported, as Iran started its own oil bourse and started dealing with various countries (including U.S. allies like Japan), which the U.S. was against as that meant less need for the petrodollar. That's also why the U.S. attacked Iraq after 9/11 (because prior to that, Iraq was selling oil to other countries in exchange for Euros) and destabilized Libya (because it also wanted to come up with its oil bourse).

Meanwhile, shale production has become a sink and may peak soon (according to the EIA), thus giving more reasons to weaken oil-producing countries like Iran.

These also explain why Trump is essentially continuing policies from Bush and Obama, which is to destabilize Iran through sanctions and limited attacks (especially given the presence of Russia and China), because it is advantageous for the U.S. to do so.

 

[Idaho Survivalist]

No. Best the US might do is clandestine efforts to destabilize and/or provide money and arms to resistance. Frankly I think the mullahs have structured the government and society to be almost revolution proof. Any successful effort would be bloody bloody bloody.

Wee have done that regime change with dozens of countries, so we should know how to d it.

 

[justin22885]

Most don't know this, but the rise of Islamic leaders in Iran took place because people revolted against the dictatorship of the Shah of Iran, which was backed by the U.S. after the latter destabilized democratic elections in the country. Even the Iranian nuclear industry was supported by the U.S. After that, the U.S. tried to strike deals with the Islamic revolutionaries via Irangate while its own ally, Iraq, started falling apart.

The U.S. started imposing economic sanctions against Iran over the development of an industry that it ironically supported, as Iran started its own oil bourse and started dealing with various countries (including U.S. allies like Japan), which the U.S. was against as that meant less need for the petrodollar. That's also why the U.S. attacked Iraq after 9/11 (because prior to that, Iraq was selling oil to other countries in exchange for Euros) and destabilized Libya (because it also wanted to come up with its oil bourse).

Meanwhile, shale production has become a sink and may peak soon (according to the EIA), thus giving more reasons to weaken oil-producing countries like Iran.

These also explain why Trump is essentially continuing policies from Bush and Obama, which is to destabilize Iran through sanctions and limited attacks (especially given the presence of Russia and China), because it is advantageous for the U.S. to do so.

lmfao @ obamas policies to destabilize iran.. thats a good one, you should do standup

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Other than ralfy's comment about Obama's *policies* to destabilize Iran, I am mostly in agreement with him. Though the on-going blabbering about the petrodollar does get old. His first paragraph is spot on.

In another thread here, I outlined the history of the North Korean nuclear program. We in the US have no one to blame but ourselves for the North Koreans now having nuclear weapons and a means to deliver them.

 

[justin22885]

Other than ralfy's comment about Obama's *policies* to destabilize Iran, I am mostly in agreement with him. Though the on-going blabbering about the petrodollar does get old. His first paragraph is spot on.

In another thread here, I outlined the history of the North Korean nuclear program. We in the US have no one to blame but ourselves for the North Koreans now having nuclear weapons and a means to deliver them.

sure, because we've had how many administrations that werent actually trying to destabilize anybody, but merely kick the can down the road to make it somebody elses problem.. like a sick game of hot potato to see which sucker is left holding the problem when it finally goes off

then obama gave them enough money to fuel their military activities for the next 25 years not including their own money they were pumping into it and the billions extra QUDS was getting from extorting nearby countries which seemed to be even more than the entire iranian military budget (that money was likely cut off with soleimanis death)

all the red lines drawn, none ever enforced

i dont think anyone up to this point has actually tried to stop iran, because if you stop iran, you solve a hell of a lot of problems within the middle east, and that means less problems to profit on later down the road, less excuse for perpetual war in the region, less weapons to sell allies in the region if their biggest threat pushing them into buying american made weapons is gone

for all the talk people make about the military industrial complex, there's nothing they'd hate more than for the threat of iran to actually be gone, and their proxy groups to be eliminated.. they're job security

 

[cat_1978]

Yeah. Iran is shooting at protesters.

https://apnews.com/1b5f51dc8712b6fcddc2010bbd9de31f

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=rUa7fquYxis&feature=emb_logo

 

[zooeyhll]

It's been 40 years since the Shah was dethroned. And the younger generation of Iranians have no idea who he was and why there was a revolution.

All they know is that they are being governed by a bunch of reactionary mullahs with minds still stuck in the 9th century. While the modern world is entering the second decade of the 21st century. They want to participate in the larger world culture.

For the same reason, Iran's business community is tired of sanctions. They also want the religious leaders out.

 

[Basic Human Unit]

It's been 40 years since the Shah was dethroned. And the younger generation of Iranians have no idea who he was and why there was a revolution.

All they know is that they are being governed by a bunch of backwards-looking reactionary mullahs with minds still stuck in the 9th century. While the modern world is entering the second decade of the 21st century. They want to participate in the larger world culture.

For the same reason, Iran's business community is tired of sanctions. They also want the religious leaders out.

Maybe if Iran ever has a secular government again, we'll have enough sense next time to leave it the **** alone.

 

[cat_1978]

Maybe if Iran ever has a secular government again, we'll have enough sense next time to leave it the **** alone.

Communist government is the same as Islamic government.

In fact it is I.D.E.N.T.I.C.A.L. in what they are trying to achieve: terrorizing the population.

 

[ralfy]

FWIW, I consider points that are logical rather than new. The U.S. essentially depends on the use of the dollar as a global reserve currency in order to pay for its very expensive military, among other things, even as costs are passed on to the public. That makes the petrodollar important, and avoiding things like the Iranian oil bourse, which was cancelled last Jan 7.