if you are invaded it will be americans. getting the h---l away from this nut job gov. no woorries from me mate. newzealand looks like more my style. got to practice my accent more. a hillbilly kiwi thing

 

ummm the Americans all ready invaded back during Vietnam it was called the Great R&R Invasion.

 

Americans wouldn't stand for it and, we would be the first to come to your aid if it did happen. I can't picture any country that has the capability and desire to do so. We love Australians!

 

Yeah australia is safe sleep well

 

I must admit, Australia is the only country I have ever considered invading. Looks like a really nice place!

 

you dont have enough oil to worry about it right now

 

If we invade it would be for their vegamite.

 

Many Australians think Indonesia is a threat, but they do not have the front line capability or logistics for any large scale mainland invasion.

If one looks at history such as WW2 in the Asia pacific region, the Japanese, after the initial invasion blitz of Asia, their supply lines were stretched, often beyond sustainable military operations, and very vulnerable once the Allies started to hit back.

These days, invasions on that scale are far too expensive to sustain, being more vulnerable to high tech intel sources and weapons, particularly for sea or air borne invasions as we are a very big island nation. That aside, look at the financial, material, logistics and human costs of sustained operations in Irag and Afghanistan by all coalition forces.
A more likely scenario, would be covert ops both home grown or international, currency manipulation, trade embargoes or sanctions, political isolation to name a few.
Australia imports a hell of a lot of resources, food, oil, pharmacuticals, agricultural resources and machinery, every day house hold items, civil and military infrastructure resources and equipment, mining equipment and lots more since our heavy industry has largely been dismantled, sold off to foriegn interests or moved off shore.

We don't have to worry about a full scale military invasion, our dependance on imports will be our soft spot.

 

Sadly welcome to the downfall of the Western World I see like said Corporate interests and their money and influence moving to were the make the most $$$ and reestablishing in the Eastern World. This also means the military prowess and industry as-well. They dont care about a country or identity of a people they just want to gamble for more $$$ with an end result of a new Gov in their pocket with an infrastructure to keep them protected until they do it all over again. It has been that way since the begining of time aswell as the real people who run the show.

 

From what I can tell, Australia could be choked out with embargoes or unfair trade agreements, and Australia doesn't have enough industry to deal with its own raw natural resources, leaving it rather at the mercy of manufactoring giants, but it doesn't have to worry about a landing invasion.

 

tell your fellow countryment to take the tin hat off

 

if i was you i would worry about indonesia, north korea and china joining forces and trying to acquire new land for their overpopulated countries. china is not going to invade russia cause they have nukes and would use them to protect themselves plus im not sure that agriculture in russia would stoke their interest. australia on the other hand has very good agriculture land and vast areas that are undeveloped. so here goes: north korea invades south korea. china attacks japan to keep them from coming over to help. china then aids north korea. u.s. and australia declare war on north korea and china. china then sends troops to take islands in the pacific. indonesia decides they want in and side with china. australia being a good launching point for our troops is targeted to cut off supply lines and naval bases. thinking of the sheer number of troops these three countries could muster id worry about that. but i would hope that we would come to your aid. id much rather help you aussies then anyone in the world. great people down there and in new zealand.

 

Thanks Liberty, your the first to reply to the point.

Your wrong, but you replied with a rational argument.

I'll rebut your ponts soon, gotta read the rest of the thread and do xmassy thing irl.

 

First off, i'm just going to say this about 2 countries:

North Korea : cannot even feed its own army. Yes they have a much bigger army than us, but unless they had a modern and capable navy (which they dont) they have no way to get them to our shores. We would achieve 1000 to 1 kill death ratio against them in the sea.

Indonesia : Similar problem to North Korea, too many tech generations behind us. Not enough GDP to build enough new stuff to compete with us. They are much closer though so perhaps they could build a bazzillion small cheap boats and send them all over thus negating our technology somewhat. (i dont know how many anti-ship missiles/torpodoes we have, but i'm sure it wouldn't be in the tens of thousands)

Strategy:
I dont really know, but I would attack from the bottom where the Jindalee over the horizon radar doesn't cover. Of course this will require a decent navy to sail all the way around there.

Nuclear weapons: They exist, so you cant just "rule them out". Russia for example could nuke all our capitals thus significantly reducing our will to fight. The resources they would be invading for are not in the capital cities anyway.

My original comment that Smokey was perhaps referring to was me saying Australia could be invaded in the future so the invaders could secure resources. This does not have to be done by any solo country, and of course, we probably would not have to defend ourselves solo. Assuming the US is defending us vigorously we certainly would not be able to be invaded by anyone, or any combination of countries except perhaps the ENTIRE rest of the world.

Assuming its a perfect 1 on 1, and noone has allies, any country with significantly more GDP & Population than us would be able to invade us after some military spending and buildup, regardless of what military equipment they have at the moment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

Germany, France, UK, China etc all have excess of double our GDP, and would be able to invade us if they put in an effort and really tried (of course they may have to build up their navies in secret for a couple of years before they can give it a shot)

Exactly as everything is now (but assuming no allies), I think there are few countries that could invade us, but I dont think the US is the ONLY one.

Russia and China (especially once China gets its aircraft carrier) could, IMO, almost certainly invade us, if not before some nuking, after.

UK and France possibly.

*edit*

I should just state though, I think we have a great military, that is technologically advanced, well trained, disciplined etc. Yes there are some silly things that go on, but that will happen in any large government organization. I dont think anything needs to be done to "improve" our military. I dont think we should increase our military spending.

But if your going to put 30,000 soldiers against over 2 million (china), they dont have to be good or excellent, they have to be f'n unbelievable.

That sided with the fact that the Australians are backed up by 20,000,000 people and an industrial machine that consists of a rotary washing line and lawnmower factory, and the Chinese are backed up by billions of people and a huge industrial machine, I just dont see how they would be unable to invade us.

*edit 2*
ooh, i lied, i got curious and looked it up, the hills hoist washing line is actually made in china now. I wonder if we still make the mowers...

 

UK and France possibly.

France? They dont invade, they host invasions.

 

does this keep you up at night? if so go see your doctor

 

Absolutly not. I dont see us getting invaded by anyone in the near future (not because they are not capable, but because its not worth it)

What does keep me up at night (not literally, but..) is our own governments increasing totalitarianism, and the amount of fun police we have, should I go see a doctor for that?

 

The biggest problem that Australia has is that they allowed them selves to be disarmed!

 

Mexico, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Belize will combine and totally wipe your country out. To ensure your demise they will have *****ia, Libya, and Romania clean up the mess.

That help?

 

*****ia? (bla bla my message is too short)

 

Ahhhhh, much clearer now. I thought ***ia was

Labia..........: That or Chlamydia....which I think is a much more dangerous foe.

 

What's the point of invading Australia when anybody can simply purchase great swathes of the country and our infrastructure and businesses - then immigrate across. A whole lot cheaper than launching a war on us.

 

I'm a part of an Aussie property company, we own large tracts of land in QLD and the NT. - Rural and Urban. To purchase our properties we had (our board - my family) to prove our citizenship. My side of the family can be traced back to the 2nd fleet.

We also own property in the U.S. WA and TX. Currently we're buying property in Detroit, all we have to show is our cash - we bought a 6 house block, payed the taxes and bulldozed the lot - all up the U.S. Govt asked us for $24,000 and offered our directors citizenship. We've recently purchased another block (4 home) and it cost us $600. Total.

 

empires rise and fall, and although the list of invasions is quite long the majority do not invade and stay. The Americas were invaded, so to Australia, but at a time when the technology gap was very wide.

Australia does have one of the bigger uranium deposits in the world, pretty handy for those conutries wanting to go nuclear, but much of it is available on the free market and a lot cheaper than invading to get it, so too many of the other mineral resources.

There are US bases here, Pine Gap, Exmouth etc so they might be specific targets but not sure the old days of the invading, expanding empires are with us anymore.

Then again every nation ever invaded probably thought it couldn;t be invaded at some time.

I think the cultural invasion has been the big one since WW2. America has long held a cultural aire than many other countries try to emulate, replicate. I saw the you tube video of the rockibillies dancing in the parks of Japan. Really weird, but if there's Coke, Pepsi & McDonalds in USSR and many other places then America has surplanted itself around the world without firing a shot to make people comply or copy. Of course perhaps that success caused America to have the trouble its having?

The chinese curse was 'may you live in interesting time'
Well we got them times, and I don't know which way to look. I figure the rural hippy with a ton of guns will still do ok.

Not quite me, but getting a little more self sufficient has always appealed to me. I think their could be another invasion, but a more covert one.

Organised crime is getting far more organised. Its global its local. I don't think anything has embraced technology & globalisation as well as organised crime. The old bike gangs of Australia had very few if any non whites, not the case today, all races contribute to the current criminal class of Australia.

I'm not a betting person, but if I was, thats where I'd put my 2 bob

Military allies are of no real help

 

Military allies are of no real help? Well if Australia didn't have then in WW2 you would be speaking Japanese night now. Or russian

 

That is true, military allies are only friends of convenience, bought and sold out, history repeats itself on this matter.

 

think you're probably right
I think the biggest invasion recorded was the german WW2 invasion of russia, it had a front that was nearly 3000km, quite a few million people involved. It'd me a faction of the cost doing it non militarily but hey y'never never know

 

i dont think there will be any invasion by any army yet. We are already getting invaded by the chinese and the muslim,lebs,indians. Although i have seen a massive increase in the chinese population here they have been buying up a lot more of Australia. Also the middle easterns they are everywhere nowdays before it was the odd delhi owner now its everything but mainly taxis, delis, delivery drivers,petrol services, trolley boys, fast food as i havent seen a typical Australian do these for years. Other jobs are doctors, speacil health services, and all parts of shoppings centres but not fully taken over . They already trying to get the sharia law here but all it take is for one of them to get the top job and were truly buggered and invaded or massive civil war.

 

China could but they already own alarge parts of Australia why would they invade what they own, the rate the Gov't is sell the peoples resources we wont be invaded they will just move in. Plus the European union, the American Union - in the works and our own australasian union + China calling for a global dollar, NWO one world currency. Survivalist to fight the Gov't and elite only.

 

Not Russia definetly, there are too many countries part of Russia alredy with more then enough resourses. If a conflict comes most probably it woyuld be with China, in this case it depend on the Russian goverment, if it would be *******s like now, then most probably they make peace with China in exchange for a piece packt not to invade Russia. If the goverment would be a little smarter they would support Australia with weapons, Nukes even. Open the second front and take over as much as posible.

 

China - Taiwan, India, Japan, Siberia, Australia.
Who would you save your warheads for?

 

Invading Autralia would be like Invading Canada.

 

Yep, you'd be invading a country that can spell - Canada and the United States of America, do me a favour and learn to spell A_U_S_T_R_A_L_I_A before you pit your foot in your mouth again.
God knows what the Kiwis think of our little spats:

 

Look, I'll throw this one in- maybe if there was some form of Global nuclear war; with multiple Australian military and economic targets; there may be a chance of an invasion from Indonesia; or whatever that country would morph into after such a global event.
I could see parts of the North West of Western Australia, and maybe bits of the Northern Territory and far North Queensland occupied.
Whether the invasion would actually be Military, or just refugees, would be moot; there may not be much of a population up there to repel them.

After all; a high tech military like ours would be hard hit in such an event; while an army of riflemen in fishing boats would recover quicker.

Just a thought

 

The only thing to invade Australia lately is Oprah and a plane full of Americans! On a more serious note, I'm sorry to hear that your country has foresaken its manufacturing base much like the USA. Maybe that's why you can buy whole blocks in my city for just hundreds of dollars. I rehab houses, so if you want to fix up a few and rent them out, PM me.

 

Love your avatar.

I should find my post re the block for hundreds - I didnt mention taxes and riders - i.e. demolition and clean up costs (must be bare clean land by April). Last I heard (from my partner) was $14 + k in cleanup costs, post demolition.

 

We have a good engineering and manufacturing base, good supply of raw materials and the ability to refine them.

One thing to think about, close to a million gun owners in Australia. sure most don't have semi auto's but that's not something to sneeze at, not to mention the millions of semi autos that were never handed in....

 

Kamarian 109 Raider battalion from 7th Division. We fought these bastards all the damn time. Australia moved their defense's to "across the top" in the 90's as this is the most probably place for an "invasion", geographically. In today's world this is highly unlikely but the countries from "Asia" would be hypothetically a guess. Oz pays particular attention to India as well. I guess it's sheer coincidence that the 109th is similar to most asian armies. Don't dismiss Australia for not being prepared either.....been there, seen it, impressed.

To make it warm & fuzzy, Australia & the U.S. signed an agreement during the world wars that if either one went to war the other would help out. Why do you think we went to vietnam, gulf, afgahn etc etc etc......oh you thought we were just being nice? So, if Oz was ever invaded, the U.S. army reserve is the same size as our ENTIRE defence force, nice to have em on our side huh?

 

We've been fighting the Kamerians since I joined in the mid eighties, those orange arm band wearing bastards! I was so impressed by their political agenda, I fought on their side so often I may get a job in technical support?!

Mike, there was no defence treaty between Aus and the US until 1951, just memoranda of understanding, usually relating to merchant shipping and docking rights. As for Oz being invaded, I'm more than happy for the RAAF to lease some more AGM84's , 88's and AIM 9(?) and 120's from the US, we'll get a good deal for live testing!

 

Sorry neighbour, if you do get invaded we wont be over to help. We don't even have enough weapons to fully arm our army and then its most likely just a bushman that thell get.
We cant fly over as our aircraft has been taken out of commission.
We could send our navy. A fleet of 12. That will help.

We could send our gangsters. Theve got ****loads of guns. Wouldn't be much help to you though as thed just stand there shooting each other. You could pick up the guns of the dead ones I suppose and it would rid of us of our vermin.

I reckon that's the best we can offer.

Sorry

 

Sorry, but your a pessimistic waste of life.

I've worked with your Soldiers, and they're some of the best in the world. On par with any nation, fighting way above your weight class!

They are well trained, well equipped and highly motivated. They're also the best "hearts and minds" troops on the planet, even better than Aussies!

I agree that you need an airforce - maybe you could add on to our P-8 order...