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Old Git
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The truth is out, it slipped out on Sky News this morning, EU spokesmen said they don’t think the crisis with the Euro and the failed economies can be resolved with bail outs, bond issues, haircuts or defaults. They said ( the EU) the only way forward is for member states to surrender even more control and sovereignty to Brussels so they can control and manage the total European economy from one central place ( Brussels).
Now for those of you with long memories like myself will remember that the experts said that Greece’s application to join the EU 15 years ago was flawed and fraudulent as they did not meet the membership criteria. But using lies, smoke and mirrors suddenly Greece was allowed to join with the EU know full well that eventually its economy would fail causing massive problems for the EU.
I believe that even if the EU did not engineer this crisis I truly believe these damn socialists control freaks are using the crisis to create a single European Super State by the back door, an EUSSR if you like, and remember if created it does not have ANY of the protections like Constitutions and absolute rights in place to protect the public from extreme government.
An EUSSR will in the oppression and domination stakes make the old USSR look positively benign, be afraid, be very afraid.
 

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Sorry to hear that man ,a lot of folk's over here see what's going down in Europe and hate it ,,and we also know that kind of thinking is here and growing like cancer.
Socialists / communists/ marxists etc are fast learners who are patient, They learned paifully they can not gain power by FORCE, but they can gain power by GUILE. Promising more and more welfare and benefits, housing, schooling, healthcare security etc and all you have to do is give up your rights and liberties, be encouraged to move into cities where you can be " better looked after" (that leaves the countryside free for the ruling elite). They increase taxes slowly and increase the types of taxes you pay. Suddenly here in the UK the average middle class worker finds he now pays in excess of 41% in Income Tax and National insurance with every thing he needs to buy such as food, cloths, fuel, cars, materials facing 20% purchase tax. Heck even his savings are taxed and if he dies the money he leaves to his kids are taxed.

Then whilst they are outlawing guns, knives, batons, sprays to " Fight Crime" they cops are given ever more powers and ever more weapons. This usually also involved new " anti terror laws" that for some reason tend to affect the law abidding citizen more that terrorist suspects.

And the coup de grace is to import millions of foreigners from third world countries who will happily accept poorer living standards that Europeans in return for their left wing votes because even living in rotten tiny overcrowded apartments in crime infested cities is still better than living in a desert. That way you cripple the indiginous peoples capability to object, and even if they do you just then accuse them of being racists.
Socialism in any form is a cancer that blights every nation it infects.
 

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Socialists / communists/ marxists etc are fast learners who are patient, They learned paifully they can not gain power by FORCE, but they can gain power by GUILE. Promising more and more welfare and benefits, housing, schooling, healthcare security etc and all you have to do is give up your rights and liberties, be encouraged to move into cities where you can be " better looked after" (that leaves the countryside free for the ruling elite). They increase taxes slowly and increase the types of taxes you pay. Suddenly here in the UK the average middle class worker finds he now pays in excess of 41% in Income Tax and National insurance with every thing he needs to buy such as food, cloths, fuel, cars, materials facing 20% purchase tax. Heck even his savings are taxed and if he dies the money he leaves to his kids are taxed.

Then whilst they are outlawing guns, knives, batons, sprays to " Fight Crime" they cops are given ever more powers and ever more weapons. This usually also involved new " anti terror laws" that for some reason tend to affect the law abidding citizen more that terrorist suspects.

And the coup de grace is to import millions of foreigners from third world countries who will happily accept poorer living standards that Europeans in return for their left wing votes because even living in rotten tiny overcrowded apartments in crime infested cities is still better than living in a desert. That way you cripple the indiginous peoples capability to object, and even if they do you just then accuse them of being racists.
Socialism in any form is a cancer that blights every nation it infects.
except for the tax rate ,you described America!..and were going to get hit with higher taxes very soon.
 

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They'll collapse the hell out of it even more than they are now, with a big centrally planned economy, the eurozone politicos know eff all about economics/financial markets/bankster scams/running a real business and they never, ever learn that this type of system just stifles and immolates the innovators, entrepreneurs and producers that they and their core voter base feed off of and much like mindless animals, that have reproduced way beyond an environments ability to support them, their numbers undergo a sudden collapse when those resources run out, this happened in China and North Korea......(in this case, the resources are the creative, intelligent and hard working productive types who get destroyed by these ****wits (nobody in their right mind is going to risk their money starting a business with these cretins and their bankster crim cronies in charge))..........Ayn Rand was right on the money in her description of the type of behaviour that causes total economic collapse and you are seeing it play out in Brussels and Washington now........
 

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But Hanf THEY will be personally rich and ultimately powerful with half a billion peasants to serve them, they dont give a toss about economics only POWER

They'll collapse the hell out of it even more than they are now, with a big centrally planned economy, the eurozone politicos know eff all about economics/financial markets/bankster scams/running a real business and they never, ever learn that this type of system just stifles and immolates the innovators, entrepreneurs and producers that they and their core voter base feed off of and much like mindless animals, that have reproduced way beyond an environments ability to support them, their numbers undergo a sudden collapse when those resources run out......(in this case, the resources are the creative, intelligent and hard working productive types who get destroyed by these ****wits)..........Ayn Rand was right on the money in her description of the type of behaviour that causes total economic collapse and you are seeing it play out in Brussels and Washington now........
 

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I just asked on a local radio station talk in session " Why should people pay for something they will never use? " EG I dont use libraries, swimming baths, community buses, sports centres, gay and ethnic rights centres, meals on wheels etc etc so why the f*** should I be forced to pay for them through my council tax. Why should I pay for a welfare system I would never use ?, why should I pay for housing and feeding asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, why should I pay for translators for them, why should taxes be used to subsidise council housing?

Its just plain wrong, immoral and parasitic.
 

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Apart from the terrible risk of the left using the crisis to create a single european super state, which would be a disaster for anyone liking freedom, democracy, liberty etc most people again dont see the underlying story.
At the moment if Greece, Eire, Spain, Italy etc default the bulk of the losses will hit the rich bankers hardest, but what is happening in Brussels today is the ruling elite is trying to move that debt risk from the rich banks and into the hands of the ordinary tax paying European public. They are stabbing the most vulnerable in the back IE us poor tax payers in order to protect the ultra rich bankers and investors.
 

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But Hanf THEY will be personally rich and ultimately powerful with half a billion peasants to serve them, they dont give a toss about economics only POWER

You're given these r soles way too much credit NR, If there is no economy, they have no power. They won't all be rich or powerful, many of them will be taking leading roles in a production called 'Off with their heads 2.0'...........though I agree that the others will use the goon squad to maintain 'order' as the've always done in the past.
 

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As our Merkin cousins like to tell us " Those who have the weapons make the rules" and in our case those R soles have not only the guns, but the police, the pension funds, the food supplies and the utilities under their control.

You're given these r soles way too much credit NR, If there is no economy, they have no power. They won't all be rich or powerful, many of them will be taking leading roles in a production called 'Off with their heads 2.0'...........though I agree that the others will use the goon squad to maintain 'order' as the've always done in the past.
 

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most of these politicos both in the EU and our own MP's have never had a REAL job! they come straight from university into parliament and have no concept of working for a living, so how can they even begin to connect with the ordinary man and women in the street?? the general public is just as bad, unless you take an active part in some political party, most people are too busy with their working lives to see what the heck is going on, many the time i have had it said to me" i have kids/elderly mother/something else, i am too busy to have an opinion", until people get off their backsides and HAVE an opinion/do something about it then the politicians are going to do what they want and the public wont notice it until its too late.
 

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There are a couple of parties that I think would do better tbh, ukip arnt too bad and I like the libertarian party UK on philosophy.

The system is broken and I feel we are at a crisis point; it will continue into the orwellian dream (very likely) it will collapse (quite likely) or people will see sence and fix it (unlikely).
 
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